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[Champion 507]

Scott Bader sold this motor on eBay this weekend. Is this a Ram 222 or is it in the wrong box?
 
If this isn't a Ram 222, what does a Ram 222 look like?

 

 

 
Vintage NOS RAM DC-222 drag-racing slot car motor, MIB

[TSR]

Doug,

 

Scott Bader has nothing to do with this auction.

[Champion 507]

Why is the email address shop@tsrfcars.com for slotemporium on ebay if it isn't Scott?

 

Anyway, answer my question: What does a Ram 222 look like? That was the purpose of the post to begin with.

 

Is the above a Ram 222? You never indicated one way or the other.

[TSR]

1) Scott has nothing to do with TSRF cars. That is a company I used to own and sold to another company years ago.
2) The ladies that own TSRF cars are also selling used merchandise consigned to them on eBay by various sellers. The address has nothing to do with any business Scott owns or is affiliated with.
3) I have no clue what this motor is, sorry!

[SlotStox#53]

Isn't the RAM 222 more like the Pittman 704?

[Bill from NH]

Without having it in my little hands, I wouldn't know for sure, but it appears to be a Ram 857 or 850, the same size as a Pittman DC85.

[Ramcatlarry]

Could also be a Strombecker 850 clone. The brass bits ARE the axle brackets for the 704/5 ram clone. Ram 857 used thinner magnet laminations than the 850 series.

[don.siegel]

That looks like the Ram DC850, since it seems to have a seven-pole arm - the Pittman DC85 has a five-pole arm, and the Strombecker clone has either green wire or a red resin/epoxy cap on the comm... 
 
The Ram DC222 is not quite a clone of the others with integral gear, since it has the brass brackets and you have to screw them on and add your own axle and gear...

Don

[Champion 507]

This is the motor I'm trying to ID:
 
Like Don said, no internal gears. Kinda looks like the Pitt 704 but sans gears.
 
So the brackets sitting beside the padlock motor in post #1 actually go with the motor in this post and not with the one in post #1? So my first question was right that the motor in the auction I was linking in post #1 was misboxed and it really should be the motor in this post? Please help?
 
Dokk, thanks for clearing that up about TSRF cars.
 

[Hworth08]

If the comm tabs are welded it's a Ram 850 or 857, soldered are the Pittman 85.

 

The 222 is a smaller motor advertised for either 1/24th or 1/32nd use.

 

The big block motors were popular drag motors, especially the Rams that could stand the 36 volts.

[Gator Bob]

The one I have like that in post #9 the comm has no actual tabs the wire is 'spot' welded to (into) the segment.

Also mine has black w/red stripe lead wires.

 

How do you tell a 850 from an 857?

[mdiv]

The motor in your picture in post #9 is a Ram 222.  The brass things that came in your box bolt to the motor, then you add bushings/bearings and the rear axle goes through it, with a spur gear.  Pinion goes on the armature.

[Champion 507]

Mike,

 

Thank you very much for the info!!!

 

Unfortunately post #1 was one auction and post #9 was another auction, so the brass pieces that should have gone with this motor went with the Pitt DC-85.

 

Does anyone have any brass pieces like the ones in post #1 to spare? Please PM me. Thanks.

[Gator Bob]

So it's settled  ... it's a RAM-222 in post #9?

 

Don/others please jump in !

 

Mikey, do you have a NOS/NIB Ram-222 to provide evidence.

[mdiv]

It's not NIB but it's definitely over 40 years old:

 

[Champion 507]

Anyone have any of the brass pieces to spare? Heck, I'll take one and clone it for the other side.

 

Steve Okeefe, have you accumulated much info on Ram motors for your ISB?

 

Mike, many thanks for the pic!

[don.siegel]

Doug,

 

I'll take a look in my boxes... not sure I have that, but I sure do have a lot of brass! The DC222 is a pretty hefty motor, not really made for 1/32 cars unless you have a shoehorn... Ram also made the DC283, a cute little sidewinder, also with the brass plates, specially for 1/32 cars. The Tyco sidewinder could also fit 1/32 or 1/24 scale cars...

 

Back to the laminated pole models, here's the first generation Pittman DC85A and Ram DC850, and a Strombecker "clone":

 

 

 

The next generation Pittman DC84-6 and Ram DC857. As pointed out above, the most obvious difference is the much thinner lams. Ram also used a 7-pole arm, as it did on the DC222....

 

Ram DC857

 

[don.siegel]

I've posted these before, but here are a couple group portraits of the laminated pole motors and the integral gear sidewinder motors...

 

 

[Champion 507]

Wow, Don, great info and pics. Many thanks!

 

Yeah, the 222 does look quite hefty.

[Gator Bob]

I'm still not 100% clear .... Is the motor posted in #9 and #15 a Ram DC-222?

 

Don S, thanks for the pics and they do help a lot but I don't see the motor shown in posts 9 and 15.

[don.siegel]

Bob, 

 

Yes, the motor in pics 9 & 15 is a DC222 by Ram. - it's not strictly speaking an integrally-geared motor, so it wasn't in the photo (and I'm not sure I had one at the time!). 

 

Don 

[Gator Bob]

Thanks, now I can put it in a labeled bag and get one thing off my desk ....  

[don.siegel]

Just to make it officiel... 

 

[don.siegel]

Ok, I learned two things out of this post. 

 

First, my "Brass Wars" box sure has a lot of stuff in it! *

 

Second, the DC222 inspired some of the strangest chassis around! I've picked up a few of these chassis and cars in the last dozen years on ebay, and just about every one has something peculiar about it! Have to conclude that the "222" inspired people! 

 

For example: 

 

 

So, Doug, a pair of genuine DC222 axle brackets will be winging your way tomorrow, courtesy of La Poste and the USPS! Of course, now we'll never now how the 222 would have performed in a Russkit chassis - or in an embalmed chassis! 

 

Don 

[SlotStox#53]

Embalmed chassis?!   Wow that's a work of art...