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Posted 16 August 2013 - 08:43 AM

As most here are aware, the 1/24 scale racers in Germany are far more serious regarding the modeling aspects of slot racing. For them, raw speed is not the holy grail.
 
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Here's a video from the Nürburgring Race at Swisttal, Germany, organised earlier this year by Slotblog member Nick de Wachter and Alex Ortmann. This event attracted 25 teams, more than 60 drivers, from six countries. All the cars 1/24 copies of the ones driven in the 2012 Nurburgring 24 Hours, as required by the regulations.
 

(video by Willem Kloppenburg)
 
Anyone see any de-slots? I didn't...

The race was held on the six-lane Circuit de Spa Francorchamps track, which I assume to be a club raceway in Germany, but I've been unabe to locate detailed info, just a few drool-worthy pictures. Perhaps Nick will post to this thread giving us a bit more info on the series and on this fabulous track.
 
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The German Dutch language website for this racing group can be found HERE.
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Posted 16 August 2013 - 09:04 AM

That's Dutch, my friend, not German. LOL.


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Posted 16 August 2013 - 09:06 AM

Who would have thought such scale cars would be so fast? I liked the racing in the dark with lights section of the video. 

Hmmm... track owners looking to do something different...

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Posted 16 August 2013 - 09:07 AM

Saturday, Aug. 24, the German Club SRC-Northland hosted their annual 5L Race in Neumünster in North Germany. Only copies of the 5L cars from the 1969-71 period is allowed and only one car of each original.
 
The participants comes not only from all of Germany, but also from several other European countries. 
 
Here is a picture of the track:
 
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It is one of the most impressive tracks I have seen with a lot of superbly done cars and details along the track.
 
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HERE are some more pics of the track and cars from the 2011 race.
 
LINK to the track (in German).
 
And a LINK to the car I have built for this year's race.
 
Yours,
 
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Posted 16 August 2013 - 09:10 AM

That's Dutch, my friend, not German. LOL.

 

Thanks for the correction, Dennis. I am sadly and totally monolingual.

 

Niels, thank you for your great post!


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Posted 16 August 2013 - 09:14 AM

Very impressive track and cars. Close to $10,000 worth of cars I would guess in that last picture.

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Posted 16 August 2013 - 09:20 AM

Hmmm... track owners looking to do something different...


I don't think I am mistaken in stating that the two tracks seen here are club tracks, not commercial operations.

And to the best of my knowledge all of the cars shown in this thread use sealed motors that are not rebuildable.

Niels, can you confirm both of my claims in this post?

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Posted 16 August 2013 - 09:52 AM

I have followed this form as best I can on the Web. Extremely cool in my view.

 

At some of the races I have seen a "package" is give to each team which contained two motors and the tires allowed. All very organized and structured.

 

I think these cars can be a bit pricey but they probably last a long time. Too bad there is no outlet here in the States for this kind of racing.


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Posted 16 August 2013 - 10:08 AM

I don't think I am mistaken in stating that the two tracks seen here are club tracks, not commercial operations.

And to the best of my knowledge all of the cars shown in this thread use sealed motors that are not rebuildable.

Niels, can you confirm both of my claims in this post?

 
They are both club tracks and host a variety of most scale races. The "DSC" (German Classic Slot Cars) Classic races have special PU tyres and use a Fox 10 motor = Sakatsu Fox motor, You could say it is a "detuned" (25K) Falcon 7.
For the 5L race you bring your own motor and tyres.
 
In some scale races with modern LMP and GT car there are "hand-out" of both motor and tyres (mostly Scaleauto 13mm foam).
 
Some of the German members (Fola, where are you?) should be able to give more precise info. :-)
 
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Posted 16 August 2013 - 10:08 AM

Just so I'm not misunderstood, I was refering to the cars running in the dark with lights not those good-looking scale cars specifically. Back in the early days we ran some enduros with portions of them in the dark. It was fun.

Don't get me wrong, "scale" racing is great, but for most of us on this blog I think it is safe to say we are a "vacuum-formed nation" so to speak.

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Posted 16 August 2013 - 10:43 AM

... but for most of us on this blog I think it is safe to say we are a "vacuum-formed nation" so to speak.


While in practical terms, that's probably true, but it isn't by design, I can assure you.

Slotbog celebrates the incredible diversity in this model car racing hobby, as a review of the top level categories will show. Anyone with interest in any part of the hobby is welcome here.

I like every genre and aspect of slot cars, though of course there are/were not enough hours in the day or dollars in the wallet for me to be able to participate in more than one or two forms.


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Posted 16 August 2013 - 10:59 AM

Here's another pic of the Spa track that I found. It shows a better view of the overall circuit.

 

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Posted 16 August 2013 - 03:45 PM

Oh my.
 
I was racing in that race. Third picture from the top, wearing a light blue shirt.
 
Not only is it fun to race scale cars, but the guy in the second picture, extreme right, is Frank Biela, five-time winner of the real Le Mans 24 Hours.

For that reason German TV was there and recorded a long segment on the race.

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Posted 17 August 2013 - 06:37 AM

Well, Carsten, how did you do in that race?

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Posted 17 August 2013 - 01:15 PM

Beautiful track and awesome looking cars! Looks a really cool event to be part of. :D

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Posted 18 August 2013 - 02:39 AM

Well, Carsten, how did you do in that race?


What a rude question! I said "participated" didn't I?
 
Well, I am not in the same legue as the German drivers. Our goal (it was a three-man team effort), was not to be last, secondly not to be the last Danish team.

We managed both, and we won the bear barrel for the team that traveled the fathest, but that is about it.

Exactly what place I do not know. Great as the racing is, the result handling is lacking. Even when you participate you really don't know. It is kept in an Excel sheet on the race controller's laptop, manually totalled from each heat. A scoring system way below par in my opinion, but I have done what I can to make them change for something better.
 
Anyway, for those who do not know. Originally these bodies used to be build from static plastic models. Then for a while they where resin moulds, but no adays they are handbuild carbon fiber casts. Paper thin and comparable in weight to the thicker vacum forms. 

The chassis are high tech wonders in brass and carbon fiber. They are all bolted together. (Only soldering allowed is for the motor wires.)

As noted previously, the motors and tires are "hand-out". You then have fiftten minutes under the watchfull eyes of the race controllers to put the stuff on your car, whereafter it goes directly to park ferme. No liquid of any kind allowed on the tires. Before the race you have a five minute warm-up.  
If you feel your motor is below par (they are usual very identical), you can request a second, but will have to change it in the 5-minute window or race time.
 
We then race four rounds around the track, two of them in daylight, and two in the dark with working lighst on the car. If the lights fail, you must repair within five laps of the failure, naturally in race time.
 
Car do fall off, and incidents occure when cars touch each other in tight bends, but when we race Club races it is common for the winner to have a LapMaster "stability" of 99% or better. (You average time is 99% of your best time.) Nevertheless it is hard to drive these devils. To be fast you need to be able to race a fast, yet tight line. You cannot let the car broadside, or it will be way too slow. Fall off any more that once every 20 minutes or so, and you are in deep trouble.


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Posted 18 August 2013 - 03:51 PM

The Spa track used to be in Alsdorf Germany - in a *bowling alley*!  At one time a few yeas ago there was a page on the web with many many photos of the detailed renovations undertaken by the current club.  Most impressive and a labor of love.

 

JPvR (Jan Pierre van Rossem) of IMCA (International Model Car Association) used to organize events on it. He was to my knowledge the biggest promoter of model car racing for a long time and spent a considerable amount of his own money to promote it. He paid airfare and hotel bills for top racers to participate in many of the IMCA events. Howie Ursaner and Chris Radisch among them, I believe.

 

IMCA is finished now. The website is down. Too bad because because it was loaded with photos of beautiful model slot cars. Nick, Fola Osu, and Mark Campbell (Grid1 in Canada, a Slotblog supporter) were among those who organized the current international organization. The intrigues and politics involved in all of this would not have been out of place in F1 or the IRL/CART split.

 

There has been a fair amount of this sort of racing around the world. A group in South Africa used to race "classic" cars with very accurate Lexan bodies and Grp C cars with hardbodies. Very lovely.

 

I wish there was an appetite for this sort of racing in the US. This is not meant to overlook the people around the country that are involved in hardbody racing. But I think it is safe to say it is a niche within a niche hobby here in the States. I tried to create some interest in it at MVH few years ago but got nowhere.

 

IMHO this is part of where slot car racing went wrong - when thingies became more popular than model racing cars.


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Posted 18 August 2013 - 03:59 PM

Niels, thank you for your post of the 5L racecars and track.


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Posted 25 August 2013 - 02:33 PM

Pics from the 5l Race in Neumünster, Germany

 

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More pics HERE

 

 

 

Our team won concours and was placed 21st out of 29 teams. Our car handed extremely well, but was not fast enough. Out team's current health situation may have played a minor parts as well. :-(

 

But we had a great day together with great guys from Germany, Austria, Sweden, and Denmark.

 

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Posted 25 August 2013 - 08:28 PM

Niels,

 

I am happy to learn your modeling skills were rewarded.

 

A pity you finished deep in the field but it goes without saying that health comes first.  As a survivor myself, I have said a prayer for Jan in his race to beat cancer.  May your team be back to full strength soon!


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Posted 26 August 2013 - 06:15 PM

Thanks Nate :-)  - we all hope for the best

 

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Posted 26 August 2013 - 09:50 PM

Man! To race in such a race would be fantastiche!


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