Horsepower for Vintage racing?
#26
Posted 21 September 2007 - 11:17 AM
The REH "American Line" chassis 1006 and 1006B are actually period Gp 15 chassis from the early and mid '70s, a contemporary of the Limpach 888 you show above. Originally a Parma product. Last I looked, they were $12.95.
I have a couple period survivors I built up from "the dark ages" which were essentially the Parma re-soldered, as the few tracks at the time were fairly restrictive. Mine mostly ran in Denver.
The period "Gp 15" motor was a Mura C-can that eventually became the "Wasp" or "Contender"(depending on stack length). This is a quality 65t/30 arm.
Because of the period rules, they are set up for 3/4 fronts and .875 rears. have found mine to be supremely easy to keep running. At that period, virtually all the regular "consumables" (bushings, braid, and such) are identical to today.
For non-builders, the surviving 888s and Parma 15s are excellent frames for can play.
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#27
Posted 21 September 2007 - 11:25 AM
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#28
Posted 21 September 2007 - 01:28 PM
I intend to live forever! So far, so good.
#29
Posted 21 September 2007 - 01:37 PM
Remember, two wrongs don't make a right... but three lefts do! Only you're a block over and a block behind.
#30
Posted 21 September 2007 - 01:44 PM
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#31
Posted 21 September 2007 - 01:47 PM
This kind of a chassis shown below, devised by Mike Steube over a year ago is so basic and simple, yet works great and requires very minimal skills to cut and assemble:
Philippe de Lespinay
#32
Posted 21 September 2007 - 01:48 PM
The Cobra solid arms used to be stamped with their name. These ones are just scratched.Cobra, I think(?).
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#33
Posted 21 September 2007 - 02:03 PM
It's more for an earlier car with a Cox guide. That would be another vintage class... say '69ish. The more the merrier. .
But I'm talking about a 1971-2 C-can class using the Parma style arm:
Cars like Tony P's $10 chassis car:
- Samiam likes this
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#34
Posted 21 September 2007 - 02:46 PM
What's the width of that Parma drop arm? And does it have a REH part number? The last time I ordered some parts from REH, I didn't see any drop arms listed that looked so wide.
#35
Posted 21 September 2007 - 03:00 PM
The Parma arm is 1-1/4" wide. They are only available from REH as part of a complete chassis and I believe the only version they have left has a rectangular hole in it.
The separate drop arms they have left are pictured above with the part number for the .040" thick version. I think they have a thicker one also.
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#36
Posted 21 September 2007 - 07:15 PM
I intend to live forever! So far, so good.
#37
Posted 21 September 2007 - 10:09 PM
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#38
Posted 22 September 2007 - 07:47 AM
Since I became aware of D3, there have always been some rumblings for power, MORE power, POWER!!! But those rumblings have been from a minority of the guys; most of the D3 guys seem happy enough with the way things are.
I can understand guys wanting to reproduce what WAS group 7 cars. They should proceed and form such a class. But I don't think that the formation of such a class will dillute the D3 driver pool that much. I think the D3 class(es) holds enough interest for geezers like me to not become devalued/discounted just because faster, more powerful cars exist. Faster, more powerful cars exist today already yet D3 has taken root and grown.
The D3 class(es) may not ever dominate the commercial slot racing scene but for the moment, I don't think we care; we are happy enough.
Remember, two wrongs don't make a right... but three lefts do! Only you're a block over and a block behind.
#39
Posted 22 September 2007 - 07:50 AM
Remember, two wrongs don't make a right... but three lefts do! Only you're a block over and a block behind.
#40
Posted 22 September 2007 - 07:58 AM
I would suggest that many of us who have been involved in the hobby for some time (or from the earliest days) now believe that worshipping unlimited power or speed as the Holy Grail was a dead-end for slot racing.
There's nothing intrinsically bad or wrong about unlimited slot car racing, but ironically it has shown itself to have limited appeal.
However, if enough guys find the concept viable, go for it!
Gregory Wells
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#41
Posted 22 September 2007 - 08:08 AM
Tex, I assume this is response to my asking someone to tell the REHco story, and the one I wanted you to hear hasn't been posted. I've met Bob Haines but never seen his operation, so I was hoping someone who had would chime in.Greg, you shoulda been a school teacher! LOL!
As I heard it, when the hobby started crashing, Bob Haines began buying up inventories from distributors and manufacturers for pennies on the dollar and stashing them in trailers on his property. Supposedly, he has/had so much stuff that he had no idea what was there.
Over the years, many folks have spent time digging through Bob's "stash", and finding some really neat stuff, much of which has either ended up in collections/museums and on eBay. PdL has indicated the best stuff was taken years ago, but there still seem to be some goodies based on what certain sellers keep putting on eBay.
None of the above is based on first-hand info, so corrections would be welcome.
And me, a schoolteacher?!?!? Not a chance; I can't stand my own kids a large part of the time...
Gregory Wells
Never forget that first place goes to the racer with the MOST laps, not the racer with the FASTEST lap
#42
Posted 22 September 2007 - 08:13 AM
No, actually. I say that because you edit all the posts to make them more readable, breaking up my "free-form flow of consciousness" style of one large paragraph into individual logical units. Ain't gonna be no untidy split-ends around the Gregster!Tex, I assume this is response to my asking someone to tell the REHco story,
Remember, two wrongs don't make a right... but three lefts do! Only you're a block over and a block behind.
#43
Posted 22 September 2007 - 08:29 AM
It's all about lowering barriers. There's lots of research that indicates making prose text more readable via paragraphs means more people read what you have to say.
My view is that Slotblog is a magazine with over 600 contributors, and correct spelling and grammar is important, along with consistency of style. It's the fourth mag I've done and the first that wasn't a printed book...
I appreciate the fact that virtually all the Slotbloggers allow me to edit their posts, and I hope no one thinks this is done because of ego or delusions of power. The sole purpose is to make Slotblog, its members, and the slot car hobby look better to the outside world.
Gregory Wells
Never forget that first place goes to the racer with the MOST laps, not the racer with the FASTEST lap
#44
Posted 22 September 2007 - 10:47 AM
Most D3 racers think that this is plenty fast enough, hence D3 has frozen the spec. D3 does NOT want the cars to go ANY faster.
Why?
Ask yourselves.
Philippe de Lespinay
#45
Posted 22 September 2007 - 11:00 AM
Errr, come on, P. That track is so so much faster than the Kings were in the period, that the idea that the "world record" of the time is a valid comparison is just off.
I kept cars, I remember their times from then, surface and design, the BP track is a good 40% faster than it was then.
Actually, every time this comes up, I am reminded of about a year ago, when Steube was looking at my surviviors. I handed him that Cooper/Maser "wide F1" that I have from then. He put it on the track punched and lifted immediately.
"Wow, I forgot how much power we used to run back then... this is fun".
And promptly started turning two tenths under my best time. He is the Froggmeister!
I have never stopped playing with my period bits. Horepower is fun to play with.
If my goal was to participate in a program based on popularity and participation:
I would take up GOLF!
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#46
Posted 22 September 2007 - 11:06 AM
Rocky,That track is so so much faster than the Kings were in the period, that the idea that the "world record" of the time is a valid comparison is just off.
You are missing the whole point. The track is still 155', the cars are fast ENOUGH if their lap times matches those of open-class cars of the time. In 1969-1970, those were the fastest slot cars on Earth.
Remember the "retro" concept?
You want to go faster? Fine and dandy. Go race something else. Most D3 racers are happy with "their" speed.
By the way, may I remind you of your two finishes in the two D3 races you entered so far?
Philippe de Lespinay
#47
Posted 22 September 2007 - 11:34 AM
Again, long live D3 and everyone who enjoys it. I'm glad there is a good time for all with lots of comroddary.
Rick Thigpen
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#48
Posted 22 September 2007 - 11:45 AM
Dokk, I DO want my D3 car to go a little faster... just a little faster than YOUR D3 car!
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#49
Posted 22 September 2007 - 11:51 AM
That's the trick, eh!
Philippe de Lespinay
#50
Posted 22 September 2007 - 12:42 PM
So why should I bother anymore with that?
Falcon 7s are just about enough now. For me!
Besides, you need some real Stick-It brown glue and a spugder to control those kind of motors nowadays. Spray glue does not do enough for them.
Just fussin with you, Rick!
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