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#1 Mike Patterson

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Posted 23 August 2013 - 09:57 AM

I have sent in motors that I personally unsealed. I was assured at the time that it was OK. I can see now that it wasn't. Who else will admit to doing the same?


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Posted 23 August 2013 - 09:59 AM

Who did the refurb, Mike?


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Posted 23 August 2013 - 10:11 AM

Mike, my advice to you is to immediately retain A-Rods lawyers.  :laugh2:


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Posted 23 August 2013 - 10:14 AM

John M., I think your question is irrelevant to what Mike P. is trying to accomplish here.


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Posted 23 August 2013 - 10:14 AM

Mike,

 

I think the issue isn't someone who sends in three or four motors and one has the seal missing because it fell off for whatever reason, it's the guy that takes ten motors apart and mixes and matches and then sends them in. That practice has to stop.


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Posted 23 August 2013 - 10:22 AM

I never unsealed my motors, but I do know for awhile it was perfectly fine to unseal and go through ones own motors. The refurbers were to check to make sure the motor was still in spec, and reseal it if it was. This was common practice for awhile that way.


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Posted 23 August 2013 - 10:24 AM

And yet you still kicked ***, Cap... what's that tell you? :D


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Posted 23 August 2013 - 10:29 AM

Amigos,

 

It tells you that Cap does his home work, research and development.

 

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Posted 23 August 2013 - 10:49 AM

It tells me that if people wanna take their motors apart and match parts, it must not be a great help. Along with good runs at R4, I ran pretty good as an out of towner my first time at the Fall Brawl in Speedzone, with the same motors that only had the regular refurbs done.

 

The conspiracy and solutions are getting old. Mid Pack racers could help themselves out alot by spending more time at the track or in the box working on cars then on internet forums  :)


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Posted 23 August 2013 - 11:33 AM

Then WHY not allow it Cap? If it does absolutely no good to tear down a motor other then to give racers the opportunity to engrave their motor parts and increase their comfort level by reassuring them that what they sent off they got back. If that would be the only thing it accomplished then why isn't that worth it? Why poo poo an idea just because you don't do it, and just for the record I also sent in my motors with intact seals the first time. Then when I found out not everyone else was doing it that way (by the rules)I quit Retro and have been waiting for the BOD to do something about it ever since. I'll be waiting a long time me thinks.
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Posted 23 August 2013 - 11:45 AM

If ONE MORE "EXPERT" recommends not worrying about people who cheat and open their own motors, and spending more effort into car setup, I'll SCREAM !!! I've had it with you people.  The rules are BLACK AND WHITE this was NEVER LEGAL it was NEVER OK no matter who told you it was. You should be ashamed of yourselves !!!


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Posted 23 August 2013 - 11:57 AM

"The conspiracy and solutions are getting old. Mid Pack racers could help themselves out alot by spending more time at the track or in the box working on cars then on internet forums" AMEN!

 

How the car is geared, the quality of the gear mesh combined with chassis performance and driver skill are almost always the deciding factors. Of these factors the driver is more often than not the major limiting factor. A motor that is 5% better does not yield a 5% faster lap. Performance of the Falcon 7 differs far more than does the ProSlot motors that are being refurbished. One of the most dominant motors in the racing at Buena Park was given away because it was turning almost 4000 RPM below what we had found to be a top performing motor. I've only tested about 40 of the ProSlot motors but the variations are relatively minor compared to the Falcon.

I will point out that in a few cases people that were complaining about poor performance had motors where they had over oiled the endbell bushing and had oiled up the commutator. Falling off once a heat likely cancels out any performance advantage.

 

You might just try a claiming rule. You might not be able to claim Ron Hershman's skill but you could at least have a souvenir.


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Posted 23 August 2013 - 12:02 PM

 Falling off once a heat likely cancels out any performance advantage.

 
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Posted 23 August 2013 - 12:05 PM

I don't have any opinions, but I do love the name of the thread.


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Posted 23 August 2013 - 12:17 PM

I don't believe that for a second, Mike... :laugh2:


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Posted 23 August 2013 - 12:22 PM

John,

 


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Posted 23 August 2013 - 12:24 PM

I think the biggest issue is that under the guise of resealing a motor that may have had the seal fall off from heat, cleaning, or whatever, that some people took advantage of that. As I stated before, one or two in a batch that are otherwise sealed is one thing, a batch of motors ALL with no seals says that person was selectively mixing and matching.

 

Despite the fact that it may not have any advantage whatsoever, THAT is not a "level playing field". Everyone needs to be playing by the same rules. 


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Posted 23 August 2013 - 12:25 PM

Mike, do tell... :laugh2:


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Posted 23 August 2013 - 12:42 PM

I think the biggest issue is that under the guise of resealing a motor that may have had the seal fall off from heat, cleaning, or whatever, that some people took advantage of that.  As I stated before, one or two in a batch that are otherwise sealed is one thing, a batch of motors ALL with no seals says that person was selectively mixing and matching.  Despite the fact that it may not have any advantage whatsoever, THAT is not a "level playing field". Everyone needs to be playing by the same rules. 

 

I'll have a drink to that statement !!!



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Posted 23 August 2013 - 01:00 PM

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Posted 23 August 2013 - 01:08 PM

The funny thing about all this is that the refurbisher that offered his services to check the specs on unsealed motors and the reseal them, offered those services to any one willing to send their motors to him.  Seems only a few took him up on that, seems most did not.  The ones that sent him those motors must have deemed that as worth the money, seems most did not.  Now we are trying to figure out how to put the genie back in the bottle.  If those who say that they didn't send motors to this refurbisher have enjoyed the success they have and if they are happy with the outcome and if they don't feel they have been cheated in any way, then I suggest we quit kicking this can down the road.  None of these "solutions" will ever get past the BoD or work for that matter for a number of reasons.  We need to just leave it all alone like it never happened and go back to racing our toy cars for bowling trophies and wall plaques...


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Posted 23 August 2013 - 01:22 PM

Pablo and Freddie, I wasn't saying we should completely allow rebuilding the motors. I was trying to say I don't understand why people do it. Also Pablo, I'm no expert lol

I'd like to see a fair solution come up with to prevent people from removing tags for matching parts, but still allow those who have issues with tags falling off not be stuck with useless motors. I know, easier said then done.

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Posted 23 August 2013 - 01:33 PM

i dont really see and issue with the mixing of parts. as long as these parts are within spec then whats the big issue. im puzzled.


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Posted 23 August 2013 - 01:45 PM

Blair, it's the VOODOO of blueprinting they can't come to grips with. If not that then they believe that everyone will be cheating if allowed to blueprint their motors.

Mike, I see you haven't had very many admissions. No wonder, they would be banned from Retro for life if they did. I would watch out if I were you. The BOD MIB will be knocking on your door real soon for your honesty.
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Posted 23 August 2013 - 01:47 PM

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