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#1 Jairus

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Posted 06 December 2013 - 10:59 PM

A while back, 2009 to be exact, I reported on me and my son-in-law's exploits racing at Depot Bay Raceway.

 

Well... I am starting a new thread that is in some ways related to that previous thread. But different.

The racing lately is on two tracks.

"A Step Above Hobbies" in Albany Oregon which takes place every Wednesday night.

Two races with a revolving schedule of NASCAR, GTP, Super Trucks, Wing and the soon to come Can-Am.  ALL FLEXI BASED!

 

The second track is "Edgewater Raceway" where we only run two classes NASCAR and Can-Am.  Oh... sometimes we toss a JK go-kart body on the NASCAR chassis and call it different. (They do handle a little different) But all in all most of the racing on both tracks involves 16d motors and flexi chassis.

BORING!

 

Well.... at first I thought so. Till I found my "Zone"!

 

The reason for my post on this cold snowy December night is the Can-Am racing.

Because for me that is the most fun.

Synopsis of the rules is that it has to be Flexi based.  I chose a Champion Turbo years ago and have been perfecting this car since 2009.

The motors are 13d, either sealed TSR, Evil 9, Demon or the Hawk and Pro-slot variants.  I picked the Pro-slot 4002 with the American arm.

Bodies are suppose to be vintage repops of anything the racer chooses that was used during the era 1964 to 1974. I picked a later M.A.C. '73 Gulf-Mirage body.

Wheels, tires, gears and guide are open.

 

 

This car is one I built way back in 2009 to run as a wing racer, using the same motor.  

Soon as we started talking about this Can-Am thing, I pulled the ol'wing car out of the mothballs, cut the wings off, oiled it up and it ran like stink!

Not bad for a car that is 5+ years old huh?

Found out early on that I had to dump the aluminum pans for the standard steel pan as it handles way better with some weight under it.

Gears are 64p with an angled pinion (ARP) at 8/40. 

 

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We have run maybe 20 of these races.  Learned early on that weight can be your friend on that Edgewater track with it's tight corners.

Getting the braking points down and knowing when to hammer the throttle were the key for me.

Plus I tear my car down after every 2nd race for inspection.  Checking pan flatness, bearing and axle wear, brush and com wear... etc.

Tires are glued and trued by me on various diameters of rims.  I always have a couple sets ready depending on track conditions.

 

The results of the last race are as follows.

Gary T 215 laps
Jairus 210
Paul 206
Herb 202
Bob S 190
Lightning Larry 186
Hugh 171
Bob U 142

 

The track is 140 ft long in a paper clip sort of layout bending back onto it self with some esses at one end.

A solid lap time is 5.1.  I have driven this car to a 4.9 a couple times.

But most of the time during a race 5.1 or 5.2 is good enough.

We run eight 2 minute heats, going through the 4 lanes twice.

This last race Bob S and I were pretty dead even till his ring gear got ground up.  Gary managed to stay away from all the deslots blocking lanes so he won.  I only had one bad heat where I shifted my weight from one foot to another, lost the brake point and the car ended up, upside down on the floor under the track. (fluke really)  Lost two or three laps getting it back up on the track.
Gary never passed me during laps, so it had to have been the going off the track or.... the two times I stopped to keep from ramming someone deslotting in front of me that cost the race. 

 

But!  Big but, but it is not that you win or lose, but how you race.

I had a lot of fun last night. The friends I race with I would give my life for. They are fun to be around and nearly all of them wonderful racers.

This is the greatest hobby in the world if you have good people around you.

 

Soon, very soon I hope to get these guys into retro and hand built chassis.  So far.. we are on the right track, so to speak.

 

Respectfully submitted,


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Posted 07 December 2013 - 12:32 AM

Sounds like these are fun racing classes Jairus. I always enjoyed racing a flexi, both by myself & with my kids. A minor point, the TSR motor is timed to rotate counterclockwise at the can end so it won't fit a flexi chassis. The Falcon 7 rotates clockwise & does fit a flexi.


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Posted 07 December 2013 - 10:14 AM

So who distributes that body??? 

Sitting here enjoying my darkroast with a lot of chocolate syrup & classic rock...


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Posted 07 December 2013 - 10:16 AM

Building is one thing but tweaking it bit by bit until it's truly competitive and then matching your creation and driving skill against others on the field of battle is a real adrenaline rush. Makes you feel 14 again!


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Posted 07 December 2013 - 11:23 AM

Good morning guys!

 

The only distributor of M.A.C. bodies currently is Electric Dreams.  It is use by the guys in Retro-Pro series.

 

French Roast here and I agree with Richard!  Been working on perfecting my back up car - a JK Flexi with a M.A.C. Ferrari 512 body powered by a Hawk motor. Unfortunately the Hawk doesn't take to modifications. New brushes and lighter springs don't help... it still gets too hot. Even running an 8/40 ratio.

I tried Neo magnets and that only slowed the motor increasing the lap times from 5.4 to 6.1!  So I am getting a Koford/Hawk replacement arm. If that doesn't work with the Neo's I'll go back to the ceramics and have Rick Thigpen do a motor zap.  Might even pop in a ball bearing into the can end just like I did with the Pro-Slot 4002 motor. (Now you can get them that way!)

 

The Gulf-Mirage body has held up well.... probably due to that front dia-plane I left on, left over from the wing car days.

While I have been in a couple of scrapes on the track... the shovel action of the front tends to slide under the blocking car leading to no deslotting!

So I put one on the Ferrari too.

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It's just stapled under the nose for strength. I didn't want to spoil the lines of that pretty shape.


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Posted 07 December 2013 - 01:00 PM

OK... its not a can am.... but running 5.5 on our 220 Engleman with a Turboflex & a 20 year old Champion C can w/ Challenger arm, this HD body works REAL well... 

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 Paint by Jimmy Johnson (not the NASCAR driver) one of our local "aces"... JJ drives a Pepsi truck...


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Posted 07 December 2013 - 01:27 PM

That is sweet Ben!  5.5 on what length of track?

 

We are not going to allow C can motors in this race.  Trying to keep racers using the lighter little 13D motors. For now.

Will allow a 16D Parma or Pro-Slot motor for someone just getting started. But that body is not legal at all for our Can-Am class. 

Lots of other classes allow it tho.

But our Can-Am is suppose to be non-aero (yes, I picked the most aero body I could, I admit that.) vintage bodies only available from 1964 to 1974. But we do allow a 1/2" clear spoiler attached at the rear if they want.

 

The car that won Tuesday night had a McLaren M8A mounted on it with no spoiler and it was just as fast as mine.

We also have a Ti-22, a Lola T-170 and a Ferrari 312. 

They call my car a wing car. But there are others more aero like the M.A.C. Porsche 917-30.

 

BTW, Paul (As in Paul Painter) is a member of this forum. Maybe he will join in on the conversation from time to time. He finished 3rd.


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Posted 07 December 2013 - 01:52 PM

hey jairus and ben,

 

Great stories and both of yooze got me to feel the fun of your slot cars. I get to play on Wednesday nights and I feel the fun. I like the idea of using the basic flexi to race different body and motor styles.

 

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Posted 07 December 2013 - 02:23 PM

J that Champion Super Shadow I pointed out to you should fit the bill for that class... Track is 220 Engleman, soft power... ran 4.08 with hawk 7 wing car Thursday night, in practice.

Shakey, we use flexis for just about everything... I'm one of the few iconoclasts that runs anything else regularly... nobody down here wants to even try retro, scared to solder & build... or is it just too much hassle?


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Posted 07 December 2013 - 03:06 PM

We have three guys here who already build-scratch stuff. Bob, Paul and Larry.  But they so far have only built hard body cars that end up weighing in at 300g. Those cars only run on short 80ft club tracks and all are accomplished builders and drivers.  Add me to the mix and I think between the four of us we could build a number of cars for ourselves and to sell so that others could take part too.  I've even got three sets of pans and motor brackets  ready for just such an endeavor of getting a true "SCRRA RETRO SERIES" started up here. Just waiting on the others to say when they are ready too!

That is one reason I have dropped building and painting professionally. I want to concentrate on building and racing.

I WANT an SCRRA sanctioned series up here!
 


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Posted 07 December 2013 - 05:14 PM

That is one reason I have dropped building and painting professionally. I want to concentrate on building and racing.

I WANT an SCRRA sanctioned series up here!
 

 

 

Sounds like ya gots "The Fever"(anyone remember that Springsteen song?)! You got the enthusiasm to make it happen, Jairus... make it so!


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Posted 07 December 2013 - 05:31 PM

Well, here's a great chance to build a nice flexi ....I have built everything from a plumer to a group 7 ....I used to love I 15...I remember Craig Landry and I would talk about and build wire chassis
One right after another.....the new JK flexi handles and run out with a good 13D like. light eurosport chassis....here's a pic of mineIMG582.jpg
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Posted 07 December 2013 - 05:45 PM

Hers a pic of the little motor.....Koford replacement arm, JK alum endbell with bearing, can bearing, and Neo mags...makes a torque motor..I will go up one tooth on the pinion next time.....runing a 10 now....running about a 5.1..the new gear should put it in about 4.8or 9....

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Posted 08 December 2013 - 11:26 AM

That is a pretty car Paul!  I didn't say anything last Thursday, but you do some nice paint work sir.  :yes:


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Posted 11 December 2013 - 10:59 AM

Thanks Jarius, well coming from you that means a lot!
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Posted 11 December 2013 - 12:46 PM

I have found that the Chinese hawk 6 will outrun the American hawk arms if built properly.


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