The last three weeks or so, I've noticed the fast guys on the flat track have been running the Red Fox guide flag.
After testing an RTR F1 car Ray built for a customer and turning an incredible time with it, last night I went ahead and did an A-B test with my car. While I was only able to test on the flat track, I'm 99% convinced they are an advantage.
I had a fair amount in stock and bought up all I could find.
They will be available to Sano participants in limited numbers. There will be a 2-3 piece maximum until I'm sure everyone at the race who wants them, has them.
Sano tech tip
Started by
MSwiss
, Oct 09 2007 09:14 PM
21 replies to this topic
#1
MSwiss
-
- IRRA National Director
-
- 25,623 posts Joined: 16-April 06
Grand Champion Poster
- Gender:Male
Posted 09 October 2007 - 09:14 PM
Mike Swiss
Inventor of the Low CG guide flag 4/20/18
IRRA® Components Committee Chairman
Five-time USRA National Champion (two G7, one G27, two G7 Senior)
Two-time G7 World Champion (1988, 1990), eight G7 main appearances
Eight-time G7 King track single lap world record holder
17B West Ogden Ave., Westmont, IL 60559, (708) 203-8003, mikeswiss86@hotmail.com (also my PayPal address)
Note: Send all USPS packages and mail to: 692 Citadel Drive, Westmont, Illinois 60559
#2
Cheater
-
- Root Admin
-
- 25,546 posts Joined: 14-February 06
Headmaster of the asylum
- Gender:Male
- Location:Norcross, GA
Posted 09 October 2007 - 09:17 PM
Set three aside for me, Mike!
What guide did you A-B 'em against? Not the Slick 7, I hope!
What guide did you A-B 'em against? Not the Slick 7, I hope!
Gregory Wells
Never forget that first place goes to the racer with the MOST laps, not the racer with the FASTEST lap
#3
MSwiss
-
- IRRA National Director
-
- 25,623 posts Joined: 16-April 06
Grand Champion Poster
- Gender:Male
Posted 09 October 2007 - 09:20 PM
A cut-down Koford.
Mike Swiss
Inventor of the Low CG guide flag 4/20/18
IRRA® Components Committee Chairman
Five-time USRA National Champion (two G7, one G27, two G7 Senior)
Two-time G7 World Champion (1988, 1990), eight G7 main appearances
Eight-time G7 King track single lap world record holder
17B West Ogden Ave., Westmont, IL 60559, (708) 203-8003, mikeswiss86@hotmail.com (also my PayPal address)
Note: Send all USPS packages and mail to: 692 Citadel Drive, Westmont, Illinois 60559
#4
Ron Hershman
-
- Full Member
-
- 22,051 posts Joined: 16-February 06
Grand Champion Poster
- Gender:Male
- Location:Indyanna
Posted 09 October 2007 - 09:32 PM
How about posting a pic??? The number of cars I am bringing probably exceeds my allotment.
#5
MSwiss
-
- IRRA National Director
-
- 25,623 posts Joined: 16-April 06
Grand Champion Poster
- Gender:Male
Posted 09 October 2007 - 09:46 PM
Better bring a guide nut wrench. 
The thickness tapers to 3-4 thou wider on the bottom. The blade also angles down longer front and back.
The bottom of the blade measures about 1.057 vs. .980 for the Koford.
They also are very hard and require frequent oiling and a lot of "back and forth" when threading them.
The thickness tapers to 3-4 thou wider on the bottom. The blade also angles down longer front and back.
The bottom of the blade measures about 1.057 vs. .980 for the Koford.
They also are very hard and require frequent oiling and a lot of "back and forth" when threading them.
Mike Swiss
Inventor of the Low CG guide flag 4/20/18
IRRA® Components Committee Chairman
Five-time USRA National Champion (two G7, one G27, two G7 Senior)
Two-time G7 World Champion (1988, 1990), eight G7 main appearances
Eight-time G7 King track single lap world record holder
17B West Ogden Ave., Westmont, IL 60559, (708) 203-8003, mikeswiss86@hotmail.com (also my PayPal address)
Note: Send all USPS packages and mail to: 692 Citadel Drive, Westmont, Illinois 60559
#6
Tex
-
- Full Member
-
- 9,227 posts Joined: 07-July 06
Grand Champion Poster
- Gender:Male
- Location:Denton, TX
Posted 09 October 2007 - 10:10 PM
Dood, I'm gonna need some lead and won't be going anywhere to get some before leaving Thursday morning.
If you have some, Mike, put it back with my name on it. I'll pay with slices of Pizza Hut pizza!
If you have some, Mike, put it back with my name on it. I'll pay with slices of Pizza Hut pizza!
Richard L. Hofer
Remember, two wrongs don't make a right... but three lefts do! Only you're a block over and a block behind.
Remember, two wrongs don't make a right... but three lefts do! Only you're a block over and a block behind.
#7
MSwiss
-
- IRRA National Director
-
- 25,623 posts Joined: 16-April 06
Grand Champion Poster
- Gender:Male
Posted 09 October 2007 - 10:57 PM
No problem, I have two thicknesses in stock.
Mike Swiss
Inventor of the Low CG guide flag 4/20/18
IRRA® Components Committee Chairman
Five-time USRA National Champion (two G7, one G27, two G7 Senior)
Two-time G7 World Champion (1988, 1990), eight G7 main appearances
Eight-time G7 King track single lap world record holder
17B West Ogden Ave., Westmont, IL 60559, (708) 203-8003, mikeswiss86@hotmail.com (also my PayPal address)
Note: Send all USPS packages and mail to: 692 Citadel Drive, Westmont, Illinois 60559
#8
MG Brown
-
- Administrator
-
- 7,757 posts Joined: 16-February 06
Grand Champion Poster
- Gender:Male
- Location:The Cumberland Plateau
Posted 09 October 2007 - 11:28 PM
The Speed FX and JK Cheetah 11 chassis pics I posted earlier this week sport the Red Fox guide flag (as do my Sano cars).How about posting a pic???
So much for that speed secret...
That's thirty minutes away. I'll be there in ten.
#9
Russell Sheldon
-
- Full Member
-
- 188 posts Joined: 27-February 06
Mid-Pack Racer
- Gender:Male
- Location:United Arab Emirates
Posted 10 October 2007 - 10:12 AM
Courtesy of ABSlotSport:
"Precision moulded in a super tough, glass filled polymer, "The Guide" is available in standard or cut-down versions. The guide blade features a taper design, with the widest section at the base of the blade to reduce friction when cornering. The guide post has a 3 degree rake to ensure perfect braid contact without having to modify chassis guide plates."
Anyone remember the "Steube" guide, besides Mr Steube, that is!
It had three or four "ribs" along both sides of the blade. I always wanted one, only because they looked so cool!
Kind regards,
Russell
"Precision moulded in a super tough, glass filled polymer, "The Guide" is available in standard or cut-down versions. The guide blade features a taper design, with the widest section at the base of the blade to reduce friction when cornering. The guide post has a 3 degree rake to ensure perfect braid contact without having to modify chassis guide plates."
Anyone remember the "Steube" guide, besides Mr Steube, that is!
It had three or four "ribs" along both sides of the blade. I always wanted one, only because they looked so cool!
Kind regards,
Russell
Russell Sheldon
Cape Town, South Africa
--------------------------------------
#10
MG Brown
-
- Administrator
-
- 7,757 posts Joined: 16-February 06
Grand Champion Poster
- Gender:Male
- Location:The Cumberland Plateau
Posted 10 October 2007 - 10:36 AM
IIRC, the early jet flags had this reverse taper as well. I might have a couple lying around that I bought in bulk "in the day" and dyed pink (they were supposed to be red but turned out pink).
It was common practice back then to immerse the flags in boiling water for 10 mins or so - it toughened them up somehow so they didn't break as easy, according to the slot urban legends.
It was common practice back then to immerse the flags in boiling water for 10 mins or so - it toughened them up somehow so they didn't break as easy, according to the slot urban legends.
That's thirty minutes away. I'll be there in ten.
#11
Cheater
-
- Root Admin
-
- 25,546 posts Joined: 14-February 06
Headmaster of the asylum
- Gender:Male
- Location:Norcross, GA
Posted 10 October 2007 - 10:47 AM
MG, here's a tip that most certainly isn't an urban legend, as it I heard it from a tool and die maker for a leading company in the electrical connector business.
To toughen nylon guide flags, boil them in ethylene gycol (i.e. automotive antifreeze) for ten minutes or so. Just be careful about ventilation and make certain not to use the missus' favorite pan...
To toughen nylon guide flags, boil them in ethylene gycol (i.e. automotive antifreeze) for ten minutes or so. Just be careful about ventilation and make certain not to use the missus' favorite pan...
Gregory Wells
Never forget that first place goes to the racer with the MOST laps, not the racer with the FASTEST lap
#12
MG Brown
-
- Administrator
-
- 7,757 posts Joined: 16-February 06
Grand Champion Poster
- Gender:Male
- Location:The Cumberland Plateau
Posted 10 October 2007 - 01:03 PM
Interesting tip... what colour are they when they come out of the batch?
That's thirty minutes away. I'll be there in ten.
#13
Cheater
-
- Root Admin
-
- 25,546 posts Joined: 14-February 06
Headmaster of the asylum
- Gender:Male
- Location:Norcross, GA
Posted 10 October 2007 - 01:07 PM
MG, I never said I had actually tried it.
Since I started "pinning" my guide flags, I've not had to resort to such techniques...
But I suspect it would depend on the color and amount of dye in the antifreeze. Since there really isn't much dye, as compared to Rit, I doubt you'd see much color change.
Since I started "pinning" my guide flags, I've not had to resort to such techniques...
But I suspect it would depend on the color and amount of dye in the antifreeze. Since there really isn't much dye, as compared to Rit, I doubt you'd see much color change.
Gregory Wells
Never forget that first place goes to the racer with the MOST laps, not the racer with the FASTEST lap
#14
MG Brown
-
- Administrator
-
- 7,757 posts Joined: 16-February 06
Grand Champion Poster
- Gender:Male
- Location:The Cumberland Plateau
Posted 10 October 2007 - 01:16 PM
"Peak" blue would be OK but "Prestone" da-glo yellow would be so un-sano.
That's thirty minutes away. I'll be there in ten.
#15
Bill from NH
-
- Full Member
-
- 14,315 posts Joined: 02-August 07
Age scrubs away speed!
- Gender:Male
- Location:New Boston, NH
Posted 10 October 2007 - 01:41 PM
Please describe "pinning" in more detail. Are you drilling through the guidepost and into the blade then gluing in a length of piano wire?Since I started "pinning" my guide flags, I've not had to resort to such techniques...
I'm still in the "boiling" stage for nylon guides amd other pieces. I do have my own Pyrex pot.
Bill Fernald
I intend to live forever! So far, so good.
I intend to live forever! So far, so good.
#16
Tex
-
- Full Member
-
- 9,227 posts Joined: 07-July 06
Grand Champion Poster
- Gender:Male
- Location:Denton, TX
Posted 10 October 2007 - 03:48 PM
Tip from Texas: If you go slow enough, you won't break your guide post. 
Richard L. Hofer
Remember, two wrongs don't make a right... but three lefts do! Only you're a block over and a block behind.
Remember, two wrongs don't make a right... but three lefts do! Only you're a block over and a block behind.
#17
Noose
-
- IRRA National Director
-
- 23,176 posts Joined: 08-November 06
Grand Champion Poster
- Gender:Male
- Location:Denville, NJ
Posted 10 October 2007 - 04:00 PM
The ultimate tech tip... the invisible guide. That way you can scoot past everyone in those esses!
Joe "Noose" Neumeister
Sometimes known as a serial despoiler of the clear purity of virgin Lexan bodies. Lexan is my canvas!
Noose Custom Painting - Since 1967
Chairman - IRRA® Body Committee - Roving IRRA® Tech Dude - "EVIL BUCKS Painter"
"Team Evil Bucks" Racer - 2016 Caribbean Retro Overall Champion
The only thing bad about Retro is admitting that you remember doing it originally.
#18
gascarnut
-
- Full Member
-
- 3,938 posts Joined: 16-February 06
Posting Leader
- Gender:Male
- Location:Irvine, CA
Posted 10 October 2007 - 04:14 PM
The Rocky Mountain way - that's what the red wire is for....
#19
GT40
-
- Full Member
-
- 827 posts Joined: 27-April 06
Race Leader
- Gender:Male
- Location:Santa Maria, CA
Posted 10 October 2007 - 06:13 PM
Russell,
I recall the Steube flags. I used to use them back around 1970. Not sure how much the ribs helped, but it made me feel like I might have an advantage.
I recall the Steube flags. I used to use them back around 1970. Not sure how much the ribs helped, but it made me feel like I might have an advantage.
Steve Walker
"It's hard to make things foolproof because fools are so ingenious..."
#20
Cheater
-
- Root Admin
-
- 25,546 posts Joined: 14-February 06
Headmaster of the asylum
- Gender:Male
- Location:Norcross, GA
Posted 10 October 2007 - 09:13 PM
Bill,
Yep, I extend the hole in the Parma blade guides down into the blade about 1/3 to 1/2 it's height and insert a piece of 1/16" piano wire. I used to CA the wire in, but the nylon closes up enough after drilling that now I just drive it in and it never comes out.
BTW, the pink Nylon blades are the only ones I use. The black filled Nylon guides are much more brittle.
Yep, I extend the hole in the Parma blade guides down into the blade about 1/3 to 1/2 it's height and insert a piece of 1/16" piano wire. I used to CA the wire in, but the nylon closes up enough after drilling that now I just drive it in and it never comes out.
BTW, the pink Nylon blades are the only ones I use. The black filled Nylon guides are much more brittle.
Gregory Wells
Never forget that first place goes to the racer with the MOST laps, not the racer with the FASTEST lap
#21
TSR
-
- Full Member
-
- 42,284 posts Joined: 02-February 06
The Dokktor is IN
- Gender:Male
- Location:Marxifornia
Posted 10 October 2007 - 09:24 PM
People, please get real, this is D3, not GP-7...!!! 
Philippe de Lespinay
#22
Cheater
-
- Root Admin
-
- 25,546 posts Joined: 14-February 06
Headmaster of the asylum
- Gender:Male
- Location:Norcross, GA
Posted 10 October 2007 - 09:34 PM
P,
Some of us don't drive as well as you do and the wall can be very unforgiving.
And I HATE breaking posts on guide flags...
Some of us don't drive as well as you do and the wall can be very unforgiving.
And I HATE breaking posts on guide flags...
Gregory Wells
Never forget that first place goes to the racer with the MOST laps, not the racer with the FASTEST lap
