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Posted 08 January 2014 - 07:59 PM

Round 2, January 2014 modified reissue of MPC 1/25th (1974?) Annual Kit. Skill level 2, 3-in1 Stock, Custom and Drag. 4 No-name hollow tires, 2 "Mickey Thompson Holley M/T" raised letter cheater slicks. Molded in off-white, clear and red. 1 chrome plated tree. Decal sheet. Driver figure included can be assembled sitting or standing. All parts trees sealed in individual plastic bags.
 
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Instructions:
 
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Decal Sheet

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Extras

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Photos of Real Car:
 
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Kit notes:

In the 1970s MPC (Model Products Corporation) was AMTs prime competitor for USA domestic plastic model car kit production. Quite a few MPC kits of the early 1970s had inaccuracies and were difficult to build well. About the time that this kit was originally tooled, MPC changed their philosophy to produce fewer kits per year and to engineer them to a higher standard.

Because of this commitment, body details were sharper, parts fit better, but more often than not, interior and chassis parts were simplified or had a certain softness to them.

In the case of this kit- the simplification is shown in molding the driveshaft and front suspension to the chassis pan while the rear end, leaf spring and exhaust unit is cast as a separate piece. This was an improvement over the promo style one-piece chassis found in many AMT annual kits. Todays builder has the advantage of being able to kitbash more recently tooled Dodge and Plymouth kits for parts, this will allow you to create a more detailed appearing chassis if you so choose. The stock exhaust will have to be trimmed from the drag version, and period correct Lakewood-style traction bars are included if you wish to use them.

Two complete engines are provided- the LA Series 360 single 4 barrel (stock) and the 426 Hemi (called the "Big V-8" in the instructions and box art) with a choice of single 4bbl on a chrome manifold or dual 4 bbl carbs on a high riser manifold. My reference photos show the air cleaner in the kit being correct for a 383 hi-po engine but not for the 360 (see 1:1 "Hang Ten" car photos below). The 360 engine delivers only average detail but I can see it being the basis of a nice model if attention is paid to painting and wiring details to draw the eye of the observer in. The drag engine uses a multi-piece header exhaust with a collector tube while the stock engine allows use of the stock dual exhaust or optional Thrush side pipes. At first I thought the stock exhaust was incorrect- but some research revealed that the 1975/1976 Dart Sport 360s were some of the last domestic rear wheel drive cars to have a true dual exhaust and no catalytic converter. The drag engine version offers a chromed cool can for under-hood use.
 
The factory 15 inch Rallye Sport wheels look good if needing a little bit of painting to bring out their details. The optional honeycomb wheels puzzle me as they look like they belong on a Firebird Trans Am rather than on a drag car. The wheel backs are plain and show no brake detail.

The box art incorrectly shows the front turn signals as being solid amber where for 1975 they should be white frosted with amber bulbs. The 1975 and 1976 Dart Sport grilles were nearly identical except that the 1976 had amber colored front turn signal lenses.

The interior bucket is standard model kit fare for the 70s which means nearly non-existent detail, with separate bucket seats and a molded in rear seat. The optional sport console is molded to the interior bucket floor with at least an attempt at woodgrain and panel engraving lines. Pedal detail is molded to the front of the interior bucket and probably should be removed for separate parts since they represent auto trans pedals and both engines have manual transmissions. The drag version has a period correct steering column mounted tachometer and a cluster of three optional gauges (both chrome). Instrument faces on the decal sheet would have gone a long way to add detail to these. The drag/custom version also offers a chromed fire extinguisher for the interior.
 
A driver figure is included and can be assembled sitting (will fit in the interior holding the wheel) or standing. The standing version can be posed holding an optional one piece trophy. The instructions show how to construct a "show car" diorama and have a scale ruler printed on the sheet.
 
Windshield wipers, door handles, etc. are molded to the body. Revell's recent B-Body kits have these as separate parts if you wish to add more detail. The fuel filler cap is a bit on the undefined side so a little work might be in order here if you are building a replica stock model.
 
The chrome tail light panel was usually seen on top trim level cars and seldom seen on big engine street warriors prowling my neighborhood. I suppose it would be easy to fill it in and reshape to the plainer appearance of the low trim level cars. It's a shame that bumper guards weren't included in the kit- I remember them being a popular option.
 
No decal guide is provided- the instruction sheet advising to check the box art for decal placement. Three period state license plate decals are included but no dash, instrument or interior decals. The tires are un-labeled but a Goodyear decal is provided along with Accel, Fenton, Hays, Champion, Cragar etc. accessory sponsor stickers. The drag version Smoken Joes Rebel Rouser decal has a quite decent representation of gold foil without actually being gold foil. If you look closely the decal sheet is slightly different than the box art in at least two places.

A 340 side stripe (see below) is included for the stock version but the sheet has a 360 air cleaner decal. Would it have taken THAT much effort to change it to 360? It looks like two other under-hood decals are included but I havent taken out a magnifying glass to figure out what they represent.

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The optional two-piece hood scoop looks good but I feel the factory optional 1973 dual snorkel scoop (shown below) would have been a nicer choice.

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Supposedly there is an aftermarket company offering decals and resin body parts to allow creation of the Hang Ten Code A63 special edition model that was offered in 1974, 75 and 76 (see below)

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(The hood scoop and spoilers shown on the above car IIRC were Chrysler Direct Connection factory parts and available to order)

Jerrys House of Resin had a Pro Street Chassis and Big Cowl hood for this kit in the past- perhaps they will start casting them again now that the kit is back on dealers shelves.

Overall Round 2 did a good job of cleaning up the tooling so there are few imperfections. The plating on the chrome tree is so-so and some parts were showing that the plating was rubbing off even though they are in a protective bag. Some small parts included in the kit seem to be from the prior Convoy Chaser cop car- to end up in the spare parts box I imagine?

Its nice to have this kit available again, and by kitbashing it with some more recent Mopar offerings, current modelers have the ability to make a spectacular scale replica.

Kit tree, decal and other photos to be posted later.
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Posted 08 January 2014 - 08:43 PM

Is this open to comments and corrections?

 

No ... there was a tail wind that day. lol

 

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Posted 08 January 2014 - 08:48 PM

Is this open to comments and corrections?

 
Sure Bob- I just locked the other because eventually it was going to be deleted. People get all weird when their comments get deleted.

I always value your input sir.
 
I tried to be as accurate as my old brain can be- and that's far from perfect.
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Posted 08 January 2014 - 09:49 PM

First off, MG ... Nice work creating the reviews.

I'll put my comments in a 'quote' to your original post.

 

BTW: The AMT reissue was all messed up.

It is a Dart Sport labeled Duster. 

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Posted 09 January 2014 - 12:03 AM

BTW: The AMT reissue was all messed up.


I don't have one of the AMT Dart kits but I read somewhere that the front and back ends are different years....
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Posted 09 January 2014 - 12:29 AM

MG, Here is what I can remember for now... that was many moons (and bowls) ago  :crazy: 

Round 2, January 2014 modified reissue of MPC 1/25th (1974?) Annual Kit. Skill level 2, 3-in1 Stock, Custom and Drag. 4 No-name hollow tires, 2 "Mickey Thompson Holley M/T" raised letter cheater slicks. Molded in off-white, clear and red. 1 chrome plated tree. Decal sheet. Driver figure included can be assembled sitting or standing. All parts trees sealed in individual plastic bags.
 
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Instructions:
 
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Decal Sheet

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Extras

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Photos of Real Car:
 
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Kit notes:

In the 1970s MPC (Model Products Corporation) was AMTs prime competitor for USA domestic plastic model car kit production. Quite a few MPC kits of the early 1970s had inaccuracies and were difficult to build well. About the time that this kit was originally tooled, MPC changed their philosophy to produce fewer kits per year and to engineer them to a higher standard.

Because of this commitment, body details were sharper, parts fit better, but more often than not, interior and chassis parts were simplified or had a certain softness to them.

In the case of this kit- the simplification is shown in molding the driveshaft and front suspension to the chassis pan while the rear end, leaf spring and exhaust unit is cast as a separate piece. This was an improvement over the promo style one-piece chassis found in many AMT annual kits. Todays builder has the advantage of being able to kitbash more recently tooled Dodge and Plymouth kits for parts, this will allow you to create a more detailed appearing chassis if you so choose. The stock exhaust will have to be trimmed from the drag version, and period correct Lakewood-style traction bars (paint yellow) are included if you wish to use them.

Two complete engines are provided- the LA Series 360 single 4 barrel (stock) The OEM carb was a Carter Themo-Quad on the 1972/73 340 and the 1974 360, they may have changed that in 75/76 .. I can't remember, but the one showing in the kit looks like a Holley, that would not be stock. and the 426 Hemi (called the "Big V-8" in the instructions and box art) with a choice of single 4bbl on a chrome manifold or dual 4 bbl carbs (Holley #4500 showing ) on a high riser manifold*. A.K.A - Tunnel Ram
My reference photos show the air cleaner in the kit being correct for a 383 hi-po engine but not for the 360 (see 1:1 "Hang Ten" car photos below).
That air cleaner housing without the snorkel was on the 1971 Demon (Dart Sport. BTW: the name change was based on pressure asserted on Chrysler from the Catholic church). The dual snorkel AC on the Hang Ten shown is not correct at all. The base is off of a 1974 400 and 440 RR/GTX, the lid is off of 1970-72 340, 383, 400 and 440 4-Barrel with fresh-air hood for the B-body cars only. There was never a forced air induction A-body option 1970-1976. The rubber seal is not correct or even a factory item for that matter.  
The 360 engine delivers only average detail but I can see it being the basis of a nice model if attention is paid to painting and wiring details to draw the eye of the observer in. The drag engine uses a multi-piece header exhaust with a collector tube while the stock engine allows use of the stock dual exhaust or optional Thrush side pipes. At first I thought the stock exhaust was incorrect- but some research revealed that the 1975/1976 Dart Sport 360s were some of the last domestic rear wheel drive cars to have a true dual exhaust and no catalytic converter. The drag engine version offers a chromed cool can for under-hood use.
The instruction doesn't tell the assembler to remove the muffler and tail pipes in 3b if using the sidepipes in 'Custom' only Drag.
 
The factory 15 inch Rallye Sport wheels look good if needing a little bit of painting to bring out their details. T
14 x 6 inch only on A-body cars with factory sport wheels. I cant tell by the instruction sheet detail but the center caps were changed when the A-body cars went to the 5 on 4 to the 5 on 41/4" bolt patern. Early ones are darker 'argent' and smooth while the later are 'fluted' where the lugs go.  
The optional honeycomb wheels puzzle me as they look like they belong on a Firebird Trans Am rather than on a drag car. The wheel backs are plain and show no brake detail.
Yes, these would be the Pontiac 'Snowflake' wheels available on Formula, T/A and GTO.

The box art incorrectly shows the front turn signals as being solid amber where for 1975 they should be white frosted with amber bulbs. The 1975 and 1976 Dart Sport grilles were nearly identical except that the 1976 had amber colored front turn signal lenses.

The interior bucket is standard model kit fare for the 70s which means nearly non-existent detail, with separate bucket seats and a molded in rear seat. The optional sport console is molded to the interior bucket floor with at least an attempt at woodgrain and panel engraving lines. Pedal detail is molded to the front of the interior bucket and probably should be removed for separate parts since they represent auto trans pedals and both engines have manual transmissions.
The console which is molded in the correct shape was only available with the automatic trans, 4 speeds with factory Hurst shifter were floor mounted with a simulated wood shift knob (ball)
The drag version has a period correct steering column mounted tachometer and a cluster of three optional gauges (both chrome).
Instrument faces on the decal sheet would have gone a long way to add detail to these.
Again, from the lack of detail in the instruction sheet it is hard to tell if the gauge cluster is correct. I appears to be the wrong speedometer and cluster. Would need a picture of the part to tell.
The drag/custom version also offers a chromed fire extinguisher for the interior.
 
A driver figure is included and can be assembled sitting (will fit in the interior holding the wheel) or standing. The standing version can be posed holding an optional one piece trophy. The instructions show how to construct a "show car" diorama and have a scale ruler printed on the sheet.
 
Windshield wipers, door handles, etc. are molded to the body. Revell's recent B-Body kits have these as separate parts if you wish to add more detail. The fuel filler cap is a bit on the undefined side so a little work might be in order here if you are building a replica stock model.
 
The chrome tail light panel was usually seen on top trim level cars and seldom seen on big engine street warriors prowling my neighborhood. I suppose it would be easy to fill it in and reshape to the plainer appearance of the low trim level cars. It's a shame that bumper guards weren't included in the kit- I remember them being a popular option.
The chrome tail filler panel was introduced in 1975 as standard equipment and not a 'factory delete option'. The bumper guards were standard equipment on all A-body models originally introduced as standard in 1973 to 'meet' NTSB 5 MPH 'crash' requirement.
 
No decal guide is provided- the instruction sheet advising to check the box art for decal placement. Three period state license plate decals are included but no dash, instrument or interior decals. The tires are un-labeled but a Goodyear decal is provided along with Accel, Fenton, Hays, Champion, Cragar etc. accessory sponsor stickers.
The drag version Smoken Joes Rebel Rouser decal has a quite decent representation of gold foil without actually being gold foil. If you look closely the decal sheet is slightly different than the box art in at least two places. The 'Rebel Rouser' decal was used on a previous MPC model but I can't remember for certain if it was the original Dart Sport issue .. pretty sure it was, I did 'BUILD' that one up with tubs and funny car size slicks for another model long before the word Pro-Street.  :D
The little tiny Mopar decals would be for the Electronic Ignition Module and the Radiator Support header or Brake Booster on PB cars only. 

A 340 side stripe (see below) is included for the stock version but the sheet has a 360 air cleaner decal. Would it have taken THAT much effort to change it to 360? It looks like two other under-hood decals are included but I havent taken out a magnifying glass to figure out what they represent.
 
That 340 (or 360 in 1974 and up) side stripe is 'not' Dodge, it was only available on the Duster.
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The optional two-piece hood scoop looks good but I feel the factory optional 1973 dual snorkel scoop (shown below) would have been a nicer choice.
 
The original 1973 dual snorkel scoops are two piece but not obvious like in the kit, MPC missed the mark on that molding. The repop below is the right scaled dimensions.
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Supposedly there is an aftermarket company offering decals and resin body parts to allow creation of the Hang Ten Code A63 special edition model that was offered in 1974, 75 and 76 (see below)
The Hang Ten package main theme was centered around the fold down rear seat (non-package option starting 1973) to fit 'your' surf boards. Only in white with the stripes showing, the seat pattern is correct.
The Air Cleaner, Chrome 'Box" exhaust tips, hood scoop and rear spoiler are not. The owner made the car up the way he wanted it .. and I'm OK with that without concern for the correct police.
 
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(The hood scoop and spoilers shown on the above car IIRC were Chrysler Direct Connection factory parts and available to order)
The scoop was a DC item but the spoiler was an aftermarket item (IIRC). That style spoiler was a DC item for the next gen A-body i.e. Aspen R/T and Volaré -Road Runner.
 
Jerrys House of Resin had a Pro Street Chassis and Big Cowl hood for this kit in the past- perhaps they will start casting them again now that the kit is back on dealers shelves.

Overall Round 2 did a good job of cleaning up the tooling so there are few imperfections. The plating on the chrome tree is so-so and some parts were showing that the plating was rubbing off even though they are in a protective bag. Some small parts included in the kit seem to be from the prior Convoy Chaser cop car- to end up in the spare parts box I imagine?

Its nice to have this kit available again, and by kitbashing it with some more recent Mopar offerings, current modelers have the ability to make a spectacular scale replica.

Kit tree, decal and other photos to be posted later.


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Posted 09 January 2014 - 12:32 AM

I don't have one of the AMT Dart kits but I read somewhere that the front and back ends are different years....

 

Have one here ... the front and back ends are correct for the Dart Sport, it's the Plymouth Duster name on the box that is not correct.  

 

I guess it would be wrong if the buyer thought there really was a Duster in there... LOL


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Posted 09 January 2014 - 01:03 AM

Thanks for the additional information, Bob. Between us we crank out a useful review, LOL.

I do understand that the Hang 10 engine pic I used wasn't the best- I found a better photo from another car that interestingly also has the 1973 hood scoop. Is this one better? So few of these cars remain in original condition.

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The point was that whoever did the original kit tooling didn't seem to do much research on the 360 and sort of tossed a mopar-ish engine in there hoping that no one would notice or care.

Not sure where to source a correct air cleaner if you wanted to do a 360 engined car.

Having said that... What were they smoking when they put the 340 stripes in this kit?

I'm surprised that the P.C. Patrol allowed the "Rebel" flag on the drag version decal sheet. About as surprised as the Winston decal in the Petty Dart kit.

Read somewhere that this is the first time in more than 20 years that this kit has been available; apparently we should be grateful we have it to buy at less than collector prices and hope the resin casters will help us with some corrected parts.
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Posted 09 January 2014 - 01:24 AM

Oh .. the rear end with the bolts showing on the drive shaft side vs. the rear cover would make it an 8 3/4 inch (pumpkin style discontinued in the A-body 1971) when these 1972 and up cars had an 8 1/4" ring gear rear cover differential.  

 

That's all I can think of for now .. :umnik2: .. hope it helps... someone, somehow, somewhere. :laugh2:

 

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Posted 09 January 2014 - 01:28 AM

Bob I appreciate that you take the time to share your knowledge with us here. I don't claim to be an expert and appreciate when you step up to help.

I hate to say it but contrast this with magazine reviews that basically say there are some parts in a box you can buy at your local hobby shop.
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Posted 09 January 2014 - 01:44 AM

These cars I know..

 

I'll help you kick magazine review a$$ when I can.

 

Does MPC really care that much? There are plenty of people that know certain cars well enough to help make the kits 'correct'. 

 

If they put a stick trans with 3 pedals and an automatic shifter ... well ... they don't need to be an expert to get that right.

 

To me that does not really show off any talent .. any half'a car guy at MPC should get that and..  a lot of buyers .. even kids are smart enough to shake their head when they open the box.

 

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Posted 09 January 2014 - 10:10 AM

Does MPC really care that much? There are plenty of people that know certain cars well enough to help make the kits 'correct'.

 
That's a great question and I wish that I had a thoughtful answer to it.
 
The way I remember it, being able to build a correct "replica stock" scale model in the 1970's was nearly impossible. It seemed like the stock parts in kits were an afterthought at best. Some kits IIRC didn't even supply all the parts to make an attempt at the "stock" version. But to be fair- I don't think I ever built a "stock" model as a kid; it was always a racing or custom build and usually parts from 2 or more kits to make it unlike what the kid down the block might have made.
 
It would take Revell/Monogram in the 80's to really address the needs of the replica stock builder with (I think) their 1967 GTX kit.

I wanted to note here that the Dart Sport 360 and the nearly identical Plymouth Duster were the spiritual successor to the Road Runner "cheap and fast" formula. Period magazine tests compared the Dart Sport 360 to the Firebird Trans Am 455 and the Corvette L82.

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Check the value per dollar on the above chart- and understand that with a little elbow grease and the right parts, the Dart's performance figures could be significantly improved.

There certainly were a lot of my slot racing peers that had late 60's and 70's A and B-bodied hot rods including a buddy of mine who had a Dodge Super Bee with the 440-6 and a fiberglass lift off hood with a forward facing scoop that could (and did) swallow the occasional sparrow.
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Posted 09 January 2014 - 11:22 AM

MG, again thinking you are not really a Mopar (Hi Rob) guy you did a great review. :good:

 
That's a great question and I wish that I had a thoughtful answer to it.

 

Kind of a rhetorical question and I agree the inaccuracies have been there since the 60s when I started 'making' models.
 

The way I remember it, being able to build a correct "replica stock" scale model in the 1970's was nearly impossible. It seemed like the stock parts in kits were an afterthought at best. Some kits IIRC didn't even supply all the parts to make an attempt at the "stock" version. But to be fair- I don't think I ever built a "stock" model as a kid; it was always a racing or custom build and usually parts from 2 or more kits to make it unlike what the kid down the block might have made.

Same here, never stock and using parts from other kits was the norm. But on the kits that were production cars it was easy to spot the 'mistakes'.
 
It would take Revell/Monogram in the 80's to really address the needs of the replica stock builder with (I think) their 1967 GTX kit.

I wanted to note here that the Dart Sport 360 and the nearly identical Plymouth Duster were the spiritual successor to the Road Runner "cheap and fast" formula. Period magazine tests compared the Dart Sport 360 to the Firebird Trans Am 455 and the Corvette L82.

 

The Blue 1973 Dart Sport I had that shown above was the last off the 340s which was a high rev short stroke / big bore / big valve motor... BTW: Loaded with A/T, A/C, Buckets/Console etc. $3800 NEW.

 Pure stock trim I ran 15.01 at 90.18. On the street I beat my friends 74 AMX, 73 Mach1, 73 SS Camaro 69 SS 396 Nova ... I did get an askwhoopin by my friends 71 Hemi Challenger but I knew that was coming .. I stayed with-in one car length till he hit 3rd gear ... gone!  I didn't think I would even be close for that long.

The 72 and 73 340s were low compression motors 8.5 to 1 ... for lower emissions, no Cats still leaded fuel. 

I was working at a Chrysler Pymouth dealer in 73/74 and when the 360 (basically a truck motor with the big ThermoQuad) was introduced to replace the 340 that would not come into emission compliance thus the low comp./ long stroke / small valve 360 was the engine of choice for Dodge/Plymouth. "Test drove" 3 of them :spiteful:  They had more lowend torque but 'noosed over'  at about 4500 RPM.

The 1971 high comp. 340 Duster I had ran 14.63 at 94.xx MPH in pure stock trim. I was done street racing when I had the 71, too many lost licenses got me off the street. 


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Check the value per dollar on the above chart- and understand that with a little elbow grease and the right parts, the Dart's performance figures could be significantly improved.

There certainly were a lot of my slot racing peers that had late 60's and 70's A and B-bodied hot rods including a buddy of mine who had a Dodge Super Bee with the 440-6 and a fiberglass lift off hood with a forward facing scoop that could (and did) swallow the occasional sparrow.

 

Yeah ... my sparrow swallower .. sold in 2003, for 10 grand  :fool:  4 speed SixPack car, hit the gas and :wave:

Tons of Fun :D

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Posted 09 January 2014 - 11:32 AM

My buddy (John Morris) had a 'Bee very similar to what you show above… IIRC it was a darker green and no labels on the hood. It was a bare bones car and anything that didn't make it go faster had pretty much been either not added at the factory or tossed later. Can't tell by your pic but I think John's car had a roll bar.

Those wheels would have been a great addition to the Dart kit- except the "dartboard" wheel jokes wouldn't work any more.
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Posted 09 January 2014 - 11:40 AM

Thanks for the additional information, Bob. Between us we crank out a useful review, LOL.

I do understand that the Hang 10 engine pic I used wasn't the best- I found a better photo from another car that interestingly also has the 1973 hood scoop. Is this one better? So few of these cars remain in original condition.

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The point was that whoever did the original kit tooling didn't seem to do much research on the 360 and sort of tossed a mopar-ish engine in there hoping that no one would notice or care.

Not sure where to source a correct air cleaner if you wanted to do a 360 engined car.

Having said that... What were they smoking when they put the 340 stripes in this kit?

I'm surprised that the P.C. Patrol allowed the "Rebel" flag on the drag version decal sheet. About as surprised as the Winston decal in the Petty Dart kit.

Read somewhere that this is the first time in more than 20 years that this kit has been available; apparently we should be grateful we have it to buy at less than collector prices and hope the resin casters will help us with some corrected parts.

 

That would be a AC housing from a 72-73 340 if it has the 'trap door' in the base or it is a 74 360 if it doesn't have the door.

The 75 had a single snorkel, no trap door painted black with that '360 call out 'pie pan'.

 

What ever they were smoking was not as strong as what AMT had ... with the Dart in a Duster box. :laugh2:  

I can see that some of the 'translation' would be lost when these were produced offshore.


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Posted 09 January 2014 - 01:15 PM

My buddy (John Morris) had a 'Bee very similar to what you show above… IIRC it was a darker green and no labels on the hood. It was a bare bones car and anything that didn't make it go faster had pretty much been either not added at the factory or tossed later. Can't tell by your pic but I think John's car had a roll bar.

Those wheels would have been a great addition to the Dart kit- except the "dartboard" wheel jokes wouldn't work any more.

 
Yup, Mettalic Green was a correct color for a 'real' 69 1/2 Super Bee Six-Pack, The Six-Pack decals on the wrinkle finish lift off hood just didn't work out. The car was fast enough to 'blow them off'. Those decals were replaced with 440 SixPack emblems off a 71 Challenger. 
 
The car I show was not a correct car but it was the way I wanted it. 1968 with R/T grill and tail panel, lift off hood, short E-body pistol grip, 71 Cuda high back buckets, Hi-impact Sub-Lime color, Tic-Toc-Tach, Coronet 500 side (fake brake) scoops, m/t valve covers ... etc.

The Crager SS wheels went on my wife's 78 Magnum and Cop Car wheels were added.
 
No roll bar, never a factory option or D/C item for the B-body.
 
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Posted 09 January 2014 - 01:51 PM

No roll bar, never a factory option or D/C item for the B-body.


I'm fairly sure the roll bar was added in considerably after the fact- I seem to remember something about being more for chassis stiffness than rollover protection- but that was a longggggg time ago and I've forgotten more than I remember about the 70's.

BTW: a tip for modelers. "Classic Industries" has a Mopar parts and restoration catalog you can request for FREE. It has a lot of useful pictures and illustrations if you want to super detail things like the wiper motor, etc. They carry a boatload of reproduction under hood decals that one might be able to scan and photo reduce if you really want to. Print them on thin paper and stick on with white glue...
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Posted 09 January 2014 - 05:32 PM

That would be a great resource.

 

:good:  Very slick idea on the scan, print and stick to make paper or water slide decals for the serious modeler.


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Posted 09 January 2014 - 05:53 PM

Here's some examples from the Classic Industries catalog.

 

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There are many pages of reproduction underhood stickers.

 

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Body decals & emblems can be used as reference to add that last detail!

 

Upholstery pages can be a guide to help with interior detailing and color choices.

 

Pictures of carbs and other engine components can be useful reference also.

 

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There are many good reference photos on their website also.

 

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Making these costs little other than some time on the part of the modeler; It's probably easier than trying to hand paint something like dash instruments. ;)


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