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Posted 20 February 2014 - 09:50 AM

I have a vintage Cox Chaparral 2E Mag NIB.

Can anyone give me an estimate on value?
 
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Posted 20 February 2014 - 10:01 AM

Josh,

For an item like this, a pic would be very helpful for someone wishing to address your question, as I think the exact condition of the box would be involved in the valuation.

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Posted 20 February 2014 - 10:19 AM

Go look on eBay sold and you will find a price.
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Posted 20 February 2014 - 10:39 AM

Pics loaded.
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Posted 20 February 2014 - 11:19 AM

In two words: a lot. :)

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Posted 20 February 2014 - 11:55 AM

Can you elaborate?

I have listed it on eBay and feel that my starting price is fair.
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Posted 20 February 2014 - 01:28 PM

Josh, looks like you may have started it and ended it. I think that may have been a wise choice.

The box condition will hold it down a little but boxes can be found. The important part is the contents. If all the bubbles are sealed and the body can be verified as having no damage or mods it would help the value a lot. Also, if the decals are present it should be noted along with their condition.
 
If I had to make a guesstimate I would say somewhere between $1,800 and $2,400 although your mileage may vary. H

ope this helps.

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Posted 20 February 2014 - 02:20 PM

Thank you.

I have a current offer of $2,700. I figured about that price.
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Posted 02 March 2014 - 06:30 PM

I guess it was a LOT MORE. :laugh2: If the zero feedback bidder is genuine this rare find went for $8,300. :shok:
 
As I'm not up on all things slot car regarding the Cox cars with this one in particular, just how rare is this in terms of any numbers? The Iso 2E fetches large sums. Is the mag frame one that rare? Or is it just the fact of it being under the blisters and complete?

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Posted 02 March 2014 - 06:31 PM

Final value $8,300!!! :shok:
 
Bet he's happy he didn't take the $2,700!
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Posted 03 March 2014 - 10:24 AM

Paul,
 
In short, it's the holy grail of 1/24 American slots, therefore considered the most desirable slot you can own. Not all that rare, but examples in the box, unassembled, are still very scarce. Prices have gone up and down, and maybe this is an indication that the financial crisis is improving...
 
There seem to be a lot fewer of these than the Iso version, which is rather logical, because the mag 2E was obsolete by the time it came out - the Iso may have been as well, but it was still a lot more modern-looking than this one.
 
The equivalent in Europe is the Scalextric Bugatti, which is generally valued around £3,000 - and is very much the holy grail of collecting here. So much so, in fact, that several "semi-genuine" versions have been released in the meantime, starting in the '80s I think (i.e., with some original parts, factory-approved or not, etc.)
 
I'm a little surprised by the price, given the box condition, but maybe it's also an indication that a MIB 2E hasn't come up in quite awhile.
 
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Posted 03 March 2014 - 02:19 PM

Don is right spot on in his comments.

I am a bit surprised to see a bidder with zero feedback "win" it; that might or not work out, we will see.

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Posted 03 March 2014 - 03:04 PM

Thanks, Don, for the detailed information on the reasons for being just that rare/valuable. Looks like it's a replica for me.  :laugh2: Real ones are just a little out of the price range!



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Posted 03 March 2014 - 03:18 PM

Was the Mag-frame 2E body different to the IFC body?

 

I saw another magframe 2E being offered, but it looked to me like it had the IFC body on it, as the side clips that fit into the slots of the IFC frame were clearly visible.

 

The seller claimed Philippe built the car for him some years back, as I recall.


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Posted 03 March 2014 - 03:41 PM

I (re)built a LOT of these. There are three different and distinct versions, all three coming from the same molds.

 

1) The "mag" kit. Most valuable, because most realistic with scale wheels and tires, full cockpit and detailing. It uses a magnesium sidewinder chassis with the large 36D-size "NASCAR" motor on top of which is an wing-actuating plastic "cam" and a short steel wire. These are not rare as assembled models, most of the ones found assembled have been poorly stuck together and generally need lot of work to "put right". Assembled cars rarely bring over a grand, unless in totally exceptional condition or available as a "loose" kit of parts. As for the other Cox Chaparrals, decals are inaccurate with wrong number graphics.
A mint, sealed kit is worth six to ten time the value of an assembled car or loose kit of parts. it is estimated that less than 50 MIB kits have survived on the planet. Here is an intact kit:

 

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Here is a (properly) assembled car by Yours Truly:

 

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2) The IFC kit. It uses all the body parts of the "mag" kit, except for the wing-actuating arm and cockpit found in the "mag" kit. The chassis is an inline aluminum job with a 16D-size "NASCAR" motor with its own wing-actuating cam and a different wire. The cockpit is a piece of black card on which the simplified driver is glued through a double-sticky piece of tape. The wheels are 5-spoke "American Mags" with black sponge rear tires. Again, a mint, sealed kit can bring 3-4 grand, while an assembled car rarely brings more than a grand. Decals as in #1. The kit is nearly as rare as the "Mag" kit.

This is a "loose" IFC kit (I did not have a good pic on file) showing the box, and an intact sealed body kit inside the box:

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Both the above use a body made of hard polystyrene that turns yeallow with age and exposure to ozone or light.

3) The IFC RTR model
This uses the same chassis parts as the IFC kit, but the wheels and tires are simple machined aluminum jobs with gray sponge rear tires, and a body made of unbreakable polypropylene that does not turn yellow. The body comes from the same mold as that of #1 and #2, all have the 'catches" for the IFC chassis. It is very common and only brings over a grand if mint in a mint original box. Loose cars are all over the place and USED to bring much more than they do today due to their large number, over a half million were produced! Interestingly this version has the only correct numbers graphics of any and all Cox Chaparral models.

 

Here are pictures of the car in and out of its box:

 

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The assembly of cars are some I rescued from junkers to near-perfect through my restoration process (don't ask me, I am retired from slot car construction or repairs).

Last, there is a "hard-plastic" body kit under blister on a card shown above in the IFC kit box.  A mint sealed body kit can easily bring $1,500.00.


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Posted 03 March 2014 - 04:09 PM

Wow so many models/versions, talk about a real mine field! Thanks for straightening it all out..



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Posted 03 March 2014 - 04:43 PM

I added a bunch of pictures to the post to make sure that you are not confused.

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 07:46 PM

Yeah I did not have the proper settings set on my eBay account when I listed it. I was pretty sure that the sale would not be legit when it ended with a buyer from Italy with no feedback. It's all good though. I have another buyer ligned up.
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Posted 09 April 2014 - 02:01 PM

Just to complete the information given by Philippe... The hard body kit under blister on card could be built to complete/restore either a car with magnesium chassis (it has the cockpit with the seats and corresponding actuator) or an IFC car (the other type of actuator and a part to be placed at the front of the engine being included).

 

The building instructions indicate the 2 ways.


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