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#1 24fan

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Posted 07 March 2014 - 08:46 PM

Was thinking how cool it would be if we could get 10or15 guys running in the top tenth instead of 2or3. The most fun we have racing is when your in a close race where the race is decided by feet instead of laps! Even though I've been losing those sometimes by a big coast, I still really enjoy that kind of contest. Its a pretty steep learning curve if your trying to figure everything out on your own, so I thought maybe we could share a few tips or tricks on here that might help our racing buddies at BP. Some things might only apply to BP so I started the thread here. So I'll go first. I've started doing something since last summers classic that has taken my CA lap count from an average of 308 for the first 16 races to 324 for the last 12 races. It's clearly shown in the tech photos, is totally legal, and it's not a new car. Can you spot it?
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Posted 07 March 2014 - 09:06 PM

Gear grease?


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Posted 07 March 2014 - 09:18 PM

Nope. I do use it ,but that ain't it.

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Posted 07 March 2014 - 09:22 PM

Where is the picture?

 

I like these games :clapping:


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Posted 07 March 2014 - 09:23 PM

There's an easy way to get 10 or 15 guys running the same speed - the top 5 just need to slow down two tenths!

 

Maybe we need a weighting rule, every time you win, you have to carry another 10 grams on the car!

 

:)

 

just kidding, I will go look at all the photos.


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Posted 07 March 2014 - 09:41 PM

Where is the picture?
 
I like these games :clapping:

In the race report

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Posted 07 March 2014 - 09:42 PM

There's an easy way to get 10 or 15 guys running the same speed - the top 5 just need to slow down two tenths!
 
Maybe we need a weighting rule, every time you win, you have to carry another 10 grams on the car!
 
:)
 
just kidding, I will go look at all the photos.

That's too funny! We could name it the Duran rule!

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Posted 07 March 2014 - 09:42 PM

Running the crown gear on the left side ?


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Posted 07 March 2014 - 09:55 PM

Narrow tires?
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Posted 07 March 2014 - 09:57 PM

The extra x brace just in front of the bite bar.......


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Posted 07 March 2014 - 09:57 PM

In the race report

How about a link ... ? Or does this start out as a scavenger hunt?


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Posted 07 March 2014 - 10:01 PM

One clue Bob....Nesta :good:


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Posted 07 March 2014 - 10:11 PM

Mag wire


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Posted 07 March 2014 - 10:17 PM

Head of lettuce?


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Posted 07 March 2014 - 10:37 PM

How about those tiny torsion bars extending from the Mainrail(s) to the pans ?

No, second thought is the narrow tires.  The Alpha drilled hubs are the lightest.  Plasic hubs with the inner section cut with Narrowed tires will most likely be lighter than full width Alpha's.  Haven't weighed, but its a guess. Less rubber contact with the track equals less drag.   The rubber (Kelly's?) must have  the perf balanced  compound to give the right amout of grip/slide  in a narrow tire setup.


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Posted 07 March 2014 - 10:50 PM

Tofu?


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Posted 07 March 2014 - 10:53 PM

Ferrari 612


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Posted 07 March 2014 - 10:55 PM

Head of lettuce?

WTF? Too funny. Lettuce. Haa!


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Posted 07 March 2014 - 11:01 PM

Narrow tires?


Ding ding! We have a winner! I'll even tell ya it's Alpha big hub wonder rubber narrowed to the hub. While I continue to try to improve my performance, this is the one change I've made that has really had an impact. While this might not work at other tracks, on a glued up punchbowl like BP it's worth a tenth or more on a CA car. Doesn't seem work on a F-1 though. While other tracks are starting to talk about spec tires, I think we already have it at BP. If your trying to run anything softer than wonder rubber you are not doing yourself any favors. If your going to say you can't hook up with tires that hard I would like to suggest that you go back and look at your car and make sure all the basics are good. And yes this is kind of an attempt to get past the zapping issue and maybe share some things that really do help. Well there's one from me, now it's your turn
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Posted 07 March 2014 - 11:56 PM

       Jerry's cars from the last King track race at BPR...................

 

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Jerrys great F1 car. Slick 7 kit. Except for a gear problem Jerry could have given a Duran a run for his money at the Parma Checkpoint.

  At first I thought Jerry was talking about the use of magnet wire in place of the rear half of the lead wires. Probably saves 1/2 gram.

 

 

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Jerry's Can Am and I believe this has the narrowed tires.  Jerry's cars ALWAYS look this GOOD!!


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Posted 08 March 2014 - 12:18 AM

Narrowed tires on a Gerding King will never work.


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Posted 08 March 2014 - 12:18 AM

Narrowed tires on a Gerding King will never work.

Never mind. :laugh2:

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Posted 08 March 2014 - 12:31 AM

     Mill Conroy's car from the same race.  The same basic as light as possible lead wire set up. Here the wires have been "trained" to increase the self return effect. The guide uses a piece of nylon tube threaded onto the post to keep the body off the track and also directs any downforce from the front body to the guide.

 

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Posted 08 March 2014 - 12:52 AM

Thanks for posting the pictures Bryan.


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Posted 08 March 2014 - 01:20 AM

Narrow tires, but  with the right about of hardness.  :)   Then there is the issue of light weight hubs. ^_^   I've heard of perforating the entire hub surface and not just what is visible. :o   Seems like a good wall shot would squash a weak hub.   Juz sayin. 

 

 

 

There are at least two or more versions of Wonder depending on the maker, so its gets more involved than just narrow width.  I like the Koford Soft Wonder and there's even super soft Wonder.   I'd like to see this thread thrash the subject some more :D  I'm sure this will make for more tire sales and experimenting.  Thanks for the info Jerry and the pics Bryan   -m-


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