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#26 Cheater

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Posted 20 November 2007 - 06:40 PM

Gentlemen,

The IRRA decided to post in this manner to emphasize that the responses were those of the IRRA, not the individual poster.

And it should not be necessary for me to point to examples on this very board where the messenger has been pilloried for reporting decisions not personally made.

How about this: the posts could be signed as "posted by Joe Neumeister for the IRRA Board"?

Will that "signature" unwrinkle the undershorts of everyone concerned?

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Posted 20 November 2007 - 06:54 PM

For those that got to see the inner workings I hope you saw that a lot of work has gone into this by a number of people.

Rules are rules and if the ownership says we have to have a name associated with a response to a question then Greg's suggestion is OK by me. Let it be known, though, that every answer is one that IS reviewed and agreed upon before it is posted.

If the community here is not comfortable with the IRRA ID then we can go with Greg's suggestion.

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Posted 20 November 2007 - 06:56 PM

Reads like Noose to me. :lol:

Nope... not all me.

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Posted 20 November 2007 - 07:03 PM

Greg will come up with the best solution, which IMO should be simply that the responder sign his own response individually for each message. Would this be OK with everyone?

Probably OK, but it would be nice to know who posted the response.
Maybe they could add their name at the end of the post.

OK, Steve, I am going to go shoot myself now. :blink:

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Posted 20 November 2007 - 09:12 PM

Dokk, as Eric Burdon sang "Oh Lord, please don't let me be misunderstood".
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Posted 20 November 2007 - 09:31 PM

OK, Steve, I am going to go shoot myself now. :blink:

Nah, don't.
:laugh2: I stuffed that one, didn't I?

I read the first sentence OK, but the second one didn't sink in to my thick head.
:fool:

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Posted 21 November 2007 - 01:02 PM

Gentlemen,

I didn't see bronze, silicone bronze, steel gas welding rod, or stainless steel gas welding rod listed as a frame building material. Are these materials to be considered as not legal?

Thank you.
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Posted 21 November 2007 - 01:50 PM

Okay, the IRRA has a list of contributors and supporters plus a board of directors.

The D3 had or still has a gang of four (not meant derogatorily).

How many of the above IRRA group :big_boss: actually vote or decide on the rules and decide on the replies being made to the questions?

Also will there be membership fees besides entry fees required at events or to be a yearly member of the IRRA?:)
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Posted 21 November 2007 - 03:38 PM

IRRA Committee,

Good job on the new rules. Will you be publishing info on the IRRA Motor Refurbishing Program in the near future? Please keep in mind those of us who live out in the boondocks and can't attend all of the races in our region... we still have a need to have our motors re-worked even though we may have only run them at our local raceway. The EC Retro rules are a disadvantage to racers like me since you have to turn your motor in at a race and them get them back at the next race.

Thanks for all your efforts in getting this thing going!

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Posted 21 November 2007 - 04:31 PM

Question: How many IRRA members does it take to screw in a light bulb? :D

Just kidding...
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Posted 21 November 2007 - 04:57 PM

Wrong question...

It should be "How many IRRA members does it take to screw in a Falcon 7?"

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#37 Ron Hershman

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Posted 21 November 2007 - 09:21 PM

Two... one to tighten the vise and one to swing the hammer. :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:

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Posted 23 November 2007 - 08:08 AM

"... a chassis may have transverse hinges (examples: Iso-fulcrum hinges and plumber hinges) ... "
Is that iso-fulcrum as in the old Cox LaCucaracha?
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Posted 23 November 2007 - 10:15 AM

As a follow-up to Jim Regan's question, how "loose" can a hinge be? As an example, can .047" or .055" be used in 3/32" tubing?

Thank you.
Don Hollingsworth

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Posted 23 November 2007 - 09:05 PM

Although I have removed myself from slot car politics on this board or any other. I think most of the questions asked can be answered with another question: Was it used, devised, in practice prior to 1970?...
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Posted 23 November 2007 - 10:03 PM

Rick, thank you for that. It is exactly what we preach on the other side of the divide.

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Posted 23 November 2007 - 10:18 PM

This looks like a real pre-1970 special: ;)

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Posted 23 November 2007 - 10:50 PM

Children! CHILDREN! Settle down now. Turn your English books to page 214. Janet, will you begin for us? Thank you.
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Posted 23 November 2007 - 10:52 PM

Hey Jane... see Spot run. :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Posted 23 November 2007 - 11:15 PM

I was thinking more in the lines of this:

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Posted 23 November 2007 - 11:43 PM

Rick, thank you for that. It is exactly what we preach on the other side of the divide.

PdL,

Thank you for changing "we" to "I".

So what part of the car I referred to was used, devised, or in practice pre-1970? The round tires or the copper braid?

If you want to preach out of both sides of your mouth, kindly do it on the non-IRRA forum.

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Posted 24 November 2007 - 12:07 AM

That thing is the neatest FCR car to date, LMAO. Why it is permitted to run on any of the D3 races is beyond me.

And, Mike, that is exactly the example I have used a few times about SPIRIT of the times...
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Posted 24 November 2007 - 11:14 AM

Mike,

With all due respect, the car I have shown reflects pretty much exactly the technology of a late-1967 pro inline car:
-center section made of multiple brass rails
-three-side inline motor bracket
-hinged square side pans
-solid front axle
-replica period body with replica separate cockpit

What is not "period-correct":

-no drop arm
-modern motor
-smaller axles
-modern guide
-modern tires but with period-correct sizes

The above except for the drop arm is simply due to unavailability of period components.

D3 was never supposed to be "vintage" racing, simply "nostalgia" racing with a limit placed on technology but less limits placed on chassis design as these matters can be so subjective.

So from which side of my mouth am I talking, because it looks to me that both sides have been saying the same thing all along.

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Posted 24 November 2007 - 11:38 AM

PdL,

When Mike asked "So what part of the car I referred to was used, devised, or in practice pre-1970?" he was referring to the chassis picture he posted in post 47, not the pic you posted.

Rick, the problem with using "Was it used, devised, in practice prior to 1970?" as a hard standard is that it isn't a standard at all. Maybe it could be called a guideline or a timeframe, but that test doesn't define anything in a clear and unequivocal manner.

Gentlemen, the purpose of this forum is to address questions regarding the IRRA rules. If you want to debate retro in general, or argue retro-racing in philosophical terms, please start a new topic and take the arguments there.

Further off-topic posts in this thread will either be moved or deleted.

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Posted 24 November 2007 - 11:46 AM

Well, so the chassis Mike shows is deemed illegal per IRRA rules or is it not?

I can dig a couple of 1968-built chassis from the museum that look pretty close to it, save for the Russkit bracket and the 1/8" axles... :blink:





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