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#51 Prof. Fate

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Posted 24 November 2007 - 12:47 PM

Hi,

Rick, the problem with Pre-'70, or pre-'68 (better) is that even P doesn't know all the stuff that was run.

Remember that '66 era 26D/Pittcan "Midwest" style inline I run a lot for fun with the Lotus body? Du-Bro bracket, inline, piano wire rails, no drop arm, both pans linked together and "floating" in all directions. What we called, then, a rattlepan.

I think that the first time P drove it 7 or 8 years ago; he had not seen that set up before. When I did a similar chassis with the FK, a friend objected that its rattling in all directions was too much movement for DIII and I didn't run it.

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Posted 24 November 2007 - 01:33 PM

Rick, the problem with Pre-'70, or pre-'68 (better) is that even P doesn't know all the stuff that was run.

I do not know it all. :)

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Posted 25 November 2007 - 12:38 PM

Stupid question, but I gotta ask because I'm totally new to scratchbuilding and retro racing.

Maximum body height is 1.375", and a half-inch spoiler is allowed above that. If the actual body height is below the maximum, can the spoiler be a little longer to make up the difference, or would this be an improper use of air control devices?

Or, second stupid question, am I reading the rules wrong?

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Posted 25 November 2007 - 12:47 PM

Hi,

Part of our friendship, Philippe's and mine, is one of us has a bit to show and the other goes "really, I have NEVER...".

The hobby was so big back then. But now, part of the fun is talking to old racers one would have never been able to keep touch with using the technology of the times. And SEEING new stuff.

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Posted 25 November 2007 - 01:19 PM

Richard,

Thanks for the clarification. The chassis Paul Sterrett originally used was something built for a vintage event a few years earlier. Since then he has built chassis closer to the basic intent of the retro racing idea.

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Posted 01 December 2007 - 01:20 AM

Will the IRRA be formulating rules for 1/32 scale retro racing or will it remain strictly a 1/24 scale organization? :shok:

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Posted 08 December 2007 - 09:44 PM

I have a question concerning the Pro Slot Euro motors. If I run one with a Chinese arm, and it pukes, can I have the motor rebuilt with an American arm? Conversely, can I upgrade to an American arm at any time, as long as the work is performed by a IRRA approved rebuilder?

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Posted 08 December 2007 - 10:37 PM

Will the IRRA be formulating rules for 1/32 scale retro racing or will it remain strictly a 1/24 scale organization? :shok:

That is a good question. What would Retro 1/32 rules require? What kind of cars would we be copying? Which historical era of 1/32 racing?

My vote is old motors, or current era equivalents, 1965-ish. 1.5 ohm minimum armature resistance. No Neo replacement magnets in open-frame motors. Any commutator and endbell, to avoid blowups and melts, and to allow can motors to be built up with some available parts, like Parma. Brass chassis, but current era silicone/urethane/rubber tires. Tracks would be required to have minimal scenery. For rules on bodies, see the Vintage Race Across America rules on SCI.

Ooops, I'm dreaming again.

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Posted 08 December 2007 - 11:29 PM

I have a question concerning the Pro Slot Euro motors. If I run one with a Chinese arm, and it pukes, can I have the motor rebuilt with an American arm? Conversely, can I upgrade to an American arm at any time, as long as the work is performed by a IRRA approved rebuilder?

Mike, I'm pretty sure the answer is "Yes", at least I hope it is yes because that is what I did and I helped make the rules for the IRRA. But it must be done by an approved rebuilder and have a seal on it.

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Posted 09 December 2007 - 03:56 AM

I hope this is a good place to ask this question.
How come you don't state anything about the payout at the end of the race?
Is there a payout or coupon, or is it all about bragging rights?
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Posted 09 December 2007 - 07:16 AM

NO payouts... bragging rights and just having fun. :)

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Posted 09 December 2007 - 10:31 AM

We never used to worry about the payout, didn't know where we'd finish.

But how much is the appearance money? :rolleyes:
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Posted 09 December 2007 - 10:51 AM

You will be paid what you are worth. Bring plenty of money. :laugh2: ;)

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Posted 10 December 2007 - 08:07 AM

I have a question concerning the Pro Slot Euro motors. If I run one with a Chinese arm, and it pukes, can I have the motor rebuilt with an American arm? Conversely, can I upgrade to an American arm at any time, as long as the work is performed by a IRRA approved rebuilder?

Having it done through the approved rebuilder would be fine, as it would be sealed.

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Posted 10 December 2007 - 08:08 AM

Will the IRRA be formulating rules for 1/32 scale retro racing or will it remain strictly a 1/24 scale organization? :shok:

No thoughts yet at all as there are other 1/24 classes to be considered first.

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Posted 10 December 2007 - 11:46 PM

Okay, I can create my own. :)

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Posted 11 December 2007 - 11:54 AM

Just be sure to publish them - there are a lot of us who like to build 1/32 cars, too!

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Posted 11 December 2007 - 09:06 PM

Dennis,

I will in time, but I'm not looking for IRRA sanctioning. At the moment, this project has very low priority with me. I'll probably use the rules of our defunct 1/32 AMCA group for the basic footprint. We ran both sports car and F1/Indy classes.

Actually, I might build a couple cars and then write the rules. :shok:

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Posted 11 December 2007 - 09:56 PM

I have another Pro Slot motor question: Is it legal for me to cut off the unused motor shaft on the endbell side of the motor, or do I have to let Ron do this?

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Posted 11 December 2007 - 09:58 PM

Hi Bill,

You might like to look at the rules we use for retro racing in the UK:

Vintage Electric Car Racing Assocciation

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Posted 11 December 2007 - 11:26 PM

I have another Pro Slot motor question: Is it legal for me to cut off the unused motor shaft on the endbell side of the motor, or do I have to let Ron do this?

Mike,

There's no rule against you cutting off the shaft. Knock yourself out. :)

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Posted 12 December 2007 - 07:53 AM

I have another Pro Slot motor question: Is it legal for me to cut off the unused motor shaft on the endbell side of the motor, or do I have to let Ron do this?

It can be cut off.

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Posted 12 December 2007 - 12:42 PM

Does the maximum width, 3.125", include body pins?

A motor is only as fast as the chassis it's in.

 

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Posted 13 December 2007 - 07:57 AM

Q: Does the maximum width, 3.125", include body pins?

A: The maximum widths in all classes are exclusive of body pins, body armor, or tape.

(Posted by Joe Neumeister for the IRRA Board)

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Posted 16 December 2007 - 09:44 PM

I have a question: How come there is no mention of a concours award and/or competition in the rules? I also noticed no mention of finishing position points. Is this detail going to be determined by whatever series is using these rules?

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Posted 17 December 2007 - 08:00 AM

Yes, Mike. The IRRA Rules are intended for national races. The items you mention can be handled locally should a region elect to utilize the IRRA rules.

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Posted 20 December 2007 - 04:02 PM

Body clips: some of us like them. Would it be legal if I set up my chassis to use them instead of pins? :)

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Posted 20 December 2007 - 04:04 PM

I don't see why not but I'm just the janitor here. :D
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Posted 20 December 2007 - 09:37 PM

I have some questions about front wheels. They've probably already been answered elsewhere on this forum, but this way I can have all the answers in one place :)!!

1) I have read that the tires may be coated. With what, paint, super glue?

2) Does the tread surface of the tire have to be parallel to the track surface, or is it permissable to have a slight taper, so that the tire rides only on its outer edge?

Any clarification would be appreciated.

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Posted 20 December 2007 - 10:16 PM

Q: Body clips: some of us like them. Would it be legal if I set up my chassis to use them instead of pins?

A: The use of body clips is an acceptable means of body mounting in all classes.

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Posted 23 December 2007 - 08:29 AM

Q: I have read that the tires may be coated. With what, paint, super glue?

A: Typical coatings used are black nail polish, super glue, or paint. There is no restriction on what can be used.

Q: Does the tread surface of the tire have to be parallel to the track surface, or is it permissable to have a slight taper, so that the tire rides only on its outer edge?

A: Intentionally tapering and/or excessive edge-rounding of front tires for the purpose of reducing the tread width in contact with the track is not allowed.

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Posted 28 December 2007 - 03:33 PM

What do the rules say about types of piano (music) wire? Anything? I have both steel & stainless steel piano wire in various sizes. Are both types legal for chassis building? :unsure:

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Posted 28 December 2007 - 03:39 PM

Steel is steel. We did not differentiate between the two as we didn't for brass.

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Posted 28 December 2007 - 05:40 PM

Neither does D3. We actually recommend its use by all my competitors. Really. Please make my day. :laugh2:

On another subject and so as to help create a common set of rules one of these days, this is the illustration of the D3 spoiler rules:

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Easy to figure out? :)

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Posted 28 December 2007 - 05:58 PM

TSR,

I suggest you remove your illustration as not to confuse viewers looking for IRRA info.
The IRRA is the intellectual property of Joe Neumeister, Dennis Samson, etc., etc., etc.
Anyway, you're not one of the "etc."

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Posted 28 December 2007 - 07:49 PM

The illustrations are good, nonetheless. If this is SoCal's take on how to apply the rules regarding a 1/2" spoiler, I think it's worth looking at and discussing.

His post does specify "D3"; we'll just have to hope most people reading here can differentiate between "D3" and "IRRA".

I think Philippe is holding out an olive branch of sorts, regarding a "common set of rules", and to dismiss it summarily without addressing the subject at all, based upon a technicality, is not in the best interests of all D3/Retro racers collectively.
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Posted 29 December 2007 - 10:08 AM

Wow. I'm intellectual now. Cool. Thanks, Mike. Thanks PdL for the illustration. It is something we are dealing with too and all input helps.

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Posted 29 December 2007 - 12:37 PM

My pleasure always. One of these days we will all agree on something and regardless, all retro racers are here in a community of friends.

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Posted 29 December 2007 - 01:07 PM

After having the displeasure of informing someone stainless steel sheet is not legal for his F1 chassis, I just don't want someone browsing on a thread marked "IRRA" and assume that illustration is an IRRA rule.

Until the IRRA adopts the same rule, IMHO, a link to that illustration would be more appropriate.

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Posted 29 December 2007 - 01:43 PM

A reasonable request.
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Posted 30 December 2007 - 08:04 PM

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NAH!... don't worry it about, Mike... our resident Pablo beat you to it! :laugh2:

It's cool, it was a learning experience for myself.

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Posted 30 December 2007 - 08:18 PM

:thank_you2: Learning is good. :D
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Posted 30 December 2007 - 10:40 PM

Personally, I think it should be allowed. One less thing to police, and I bet the racers back in the day also did it. It's a pretty obvious improvement to make to your front tires.

Narrowing your fronts to a point is counterproductive on these cars, especially with F1s.
Dave Fiedler had the dominating F1 car at the Sano using the stock .420" wide JKs.
They act as outriggers/dampeners.

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Posted 31 December 2007 - 11:18 AM

Well the race techs are missing this then. I've seen several race photos of cars with tapered front tire treads.

I'd hazard the guess that those races weren't run under IRRA rules.
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Posted 31 December 2007 - 02:48 PM

Phil,

FYI, F1 IRRA rules require .350" min and .400" max fronts.

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Posted 31 December 2007 - 03:20 PM

I'll look for it in IRRA race pics when I get time.

Good luck. Since the IRRA rules were only first published on 11/19/07, I'm not sure how many races have actually been run under IRRA rules.
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Posted 31 December 2007 - 04:12 PM

F1 IRRA rules require .350" min and .400" max fronts.

Joe, my IRRA Rules, dated 11/19/07, say F1 min. front width .375", and does not state a max width. Am I reading an outdated copy?
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Posted 31 December 2007 - 04:16 PM

Duh... no. LOL. You are right, .375" is the min. I'm sorry. The max was not put in because the ones sold usually come in .400" width.

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Posted 04 January 2008 - 09:38 PM

I have a couple of questions:

1. Can the front axle supports be attached to the nose piece or the pans?

2. I have a Can-Am body without a molded-in driver. According to my interpretation of the rules, I cannot leave the area over the cockpit clear, and just make a hole for the drivers head, right? I have to cut out that whole piece, thereby destroying what little aero the body has to offer, correct?

Thank you for your clarification.

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Posted 04 January 2008 - 10:01 PM

Mike

The rules say "All bodies must carry a painted (at least two colors), fully-molded three-dimensional interior comprising a driver (helmet, sholders, and arms), a steering wheel and cockpit representation".

So the answer to your question is "yes", you must cut-out that area and place a painted three dimensional interior/driver there.

I don't want to answer the other question and will let other rules members chime in.

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