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#1276 Tex

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Posted 15 February 2018 - 01:14 PM

In 11 years of retro racing, I've never seen a spoiler get creased or bent in a wreck either.


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#1277 Tim Neja

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Posted 15 February 2018 - 01:40 PM

Just shows slot racers will argue about anything!!   :)


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Posted 15 February 2018 - 01:58 PM

Careful, you guys are going to get Ron and his henchmen going on FB again. :laugh2:
 
It's been kinda nice seeing the New USRA BOD getting most of their attention and giving the IRRA BOD a bit of a break this week!


Ron and the Ronettes. Or men in tights on FB.

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Posted 15 February 2018 - 02:04 PM

Sano 9 bigger can-Am.jpg

The above, taken in October, 2015.

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28 months, and probably at least a dozen races later.
 
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Posted 15 February 2018 - 02:24 PM

Quick, put that up for sale on Facebook.
 
Lightly-used winning Retro car... $150.00 No creases on spoiler!  :D
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Posted 15 February 2018 - 02:41 PM

Just shows slot racers will argue about anything!!   :)

 

No, we won't!!!

LOL.


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Posted 15 February 2018 - 02:42 PM

KVP,

 

Maybe CD7's cars regularly get launched onto a pit table, and get stuck in an R-Geo bending brake. :laugh2:


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#1283 Matt Sheldon

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Posted 15 February 2018 - 03:24 PM

attachicon.gifSano 9 bigger can-Am.jpg
The above, taken in October, 2015.

attachicon.gif20180215_130617-1.jpg
28 months, and probably at least a dozen races later.
 
attachicon.gif20180215_130602-1.jpg

 

Is that a braid inspection window in the front of that body?


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Posted 15 February 2018 - 03:30 PM

Those eight-time G7 world record holders are always pushing the envelope aren't they, Matt? :D



#1285 MSwiss

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Posted 15 February 2018 - 03:30 PM

That's an intake on the real car.

 

I left it clear like the wind screen.


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#1286 Matt Sheldon

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Posted 15 February 2018 - 09:09 PM

You cannot fool me, you are not Boogie! That's from *** packing lappers on the flat track. :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:
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Posted 15 February 2018 - 09:23 PM

Manta Ray driving figure stops for no one. LOL.
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Posted 20 March 2018 - 08:10 AM

Would this be considered keyed construction? It appears to be a slot-n-tab arrangement without a hinged movement. Im asking for clarification because I like the design and build but want to be certain of legality before doing the same.

TIA.

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Posted 20 March 2018 - 10:46 AM

I'm a bit confused by the question.

The above appears to be a style of chassis that's been raced for five-six years.

I had that type of movement on my R4/4 GTC/Can-Am chassis.

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Posted 20 March 2018 - 11:29 AM

There's no hinge. There are two keyed points connecting the pan to the chassis. If thats OK, then cool. I just wanted an IRRA® BoD thumbs up or down.

 

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Posted 20 March 2018 - 12:04 PM

They are not keyed.

They are bent-up tabs.


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#1292 DOCinCocoa

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Posted 27 March 2018 - 09:58 AM

I have a concern about a specific chassis that ran in the last GRRR F1 race. Now before anyone jumps on me about this, I think that Rick Moore is the most unique and successful Retro chassis builder in the USA. His cars seem to handle like flexi chassis and he is one of the best racers in Florida. So repeat, this is not a personal attack on Rick.

 

However, I have a concern about his F1 chassis from the last GRRR race. Having a piece of my thumb gouged away by a Defender chassis recently, I am sensitive about the leading edges of chassis. Rick's F1 chassis has two long "probes" coming up beside the guide flag. I don't see the design advantage in this, but then Rick builds much better cars than I do. I am thinking that if someone was marshalling a car and Rick's car ran into the marshals hand, there is a high potential for a serious wound resulting from this type of construction.

 

What does the IRRA® board members think about this issue and what does the rank and file think? Please keep your comments civil.

 

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#1293 Eddie Fleming

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Posted 27 March 2018 - 10:42 AM

I have never met Rick, but like Doc I admire Rick's chassis work and his dedication to it.

 

That said I would be in favor of a general rule for any and all slot cars that no chassis parts can extend forward of the guide tongue or even the center of the guide flag post.


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#1294 Greg VanPeenen

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Posted 27 March 2018 - 11:53 AM

That genie has been out of the bottle for a long long time. Just look at the GT12 and the Eurosport cars for the last five years. The Mosetti Defender flexi chassis. Yes and even Retro cars before we started cutting off the front ears on the chassis.

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Posted 27 March 2018 - 01:01 PM

The design feature(s) Doc has issue with are not ears.

They are impalers.

If he connected them with a U-shaped piece wire, slightly in front (of them), I would be fine.

The below would be ears and I also consider them fine.

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#1296 John Streisguth

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Posted 27 March 2018 - 01:29 PM

I would not marshal a race with a chassis like that running. Sorry, that's a hospital trip waiting to happen.  


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Posted 27 March 2018 - 01:52 PM

With all due respect to Rick and his designs, which I marvel at BTW, two blunt ends of piano wire don't cut it. If it had an "L" bent at the end of at least a 1/4" length, I would be fine.
 
I run Eurosport and Open 12 classes monthly, and none of the chassis of the current designs have anything close to those spears. LOL.
 
If something is cut off, then that is a whole different ball game, which in most orgs would not be legal.

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Posted 27 March 2018 - 02:58 PM

With all due respect to Rick and his designs, which I marvel at BTW, two blunt ends of piano wire don't cut it. If it had an "L" bent at the end of at least a 1/4" length, I would be fine.

 
Just so everyone is on the same page, this is a picture of the front of his latest car.

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Posted 27 March 2018 - 03:01 PM

That would work in my book.



#1300 Rick Moore

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Posted 27 March 2018 - 03:18 PM

Thanks, Bob.

 

That is the same chassis/car in question by the original poster.

 

Here are some more “better” pictures for y’all, at least for those who haven’t already made up their minds...

 

FYI, I’ve been building all of my F1 chassis with extended front tines for more than six years now, all passing tech and raced without incident, including damage to tracks, other cars, or turn marshals...

 

If anyone has any questions regarding any chassis specifics concerning this matter, please ask me directly and I’ll gladly discuss them with you…

 

That said, at this point I really don’t give a flying rat’s patoot if they’re found to be unacceptable and the rule set is amended to make them illegal after the fact…

 

Rick / CMF3

 

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