Jump to content




Photo

Can-Am "Plus" West Coast discussion


  • Please log in to reply
154 replies to this topic

#101 kvanpelt

kvanpelt

    Race Leader

  • Subscriber
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 978 posts
  • Joined: 29-January 08
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:IL

Posted 29 July 2014 - 07:23 AM

I have a dumb question!

 

Why not make it easier on yourself, run the IRRA rules until you see how things go.

 

Nothing like f...ing things up by having another East coast vs West coast rule set. :dash2:

 

I'm sure the guys that travel would appreciate it.


  • S.O. Watt, Tim Neja, Duffy and 1 other like this

Kevin VanPelt
 
"Life is too short to worry about the things we cannot change. Go to work, love your family, worship your God and try to enjoy your damn life." KVP

 

 





#102 Mark Wampler

Mark Wampler

    Grand Champion Poster

  • Subscriber
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 6,902 posts
  • Joined: 17-July 07
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Santa Maria, CA

Posted 29 July 2014 - 10:23 AM

Mark,

 

Nice job on a " West Coast " Can-Am+ car. You have the advantage of a discussion and input from interested parties.

 

You are now the sole member of the WCRRA  board. Trademark it before someone starts their own version :laugh2: .

 

 

You might be on to something


You can quote me.

-Mark

#103 redbackspyder

redbackspyder

    Renegade, Mutineer

  • Full Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,995 posts
  • Joined: 09-January 08
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Rowland Heights, CA

Posted 29 July 2014 - 10:47 AM

Mark, one question, the motor in your rules is the Retro Hawk... Did you consider the new Pro Slot FK motor ?


Mill Conroy
 

AKA : TWO LAP CONROY, Anointed Trigger Monkey by Mike Swiss

 

Deal me life's toughest cards, without chance for hope nor fame, just let me play this one last hand, and I'll win this whole damn game.

Second Most Interesting Man in the World.


#104 Mark Wampler

Mark Wampler

    Grand Champion Poster

  • Subscriber
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 6,902 posts
  • Joined: 17-July 07
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Santa Maria, CA

Posted 29 July 2014 - 10:55 AM

I listed the Hawk because of the recent fascination with the motor AND because historically, West has chosen the FK style motors for Retro since 2006.  I don't have a problem with PS motors, but will this again open up another motor war?


You can quote me.

-Mark

#105 redbackspyder

redbackspyder

    Renegade, Mutineer

  • Full Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,995 posts
  • Joined: 09-January 08
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Rowland Heights, CA

Posted 29 July 2014 - 11:37 AM

Just curious, as the East Coast and Midwest guys chose that motor, I believe because it gave certain board members an opportunity to have a class with this motor, as they were kind of left out by the other groups that are using it in the Group 7-68, just my opinion.... I could easily be wrong


Mill Conroy
 

AKA : TWO LAP CONROY, Anointed Trigger Monkey by Mike Swiss

 

Deal me life's toughest cards, without chance for hope nor fame, just let me play this one last hand, and I'll win this whole damn game.

Second Most Interesting Man in the World.


#106 Jason Holmes

Jason Holmes

    Race Leader

  • Subscriber
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 613 posts
  • Joined: 07-March 08
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Harbor CIty, CA

Posted 29 July 2014 - 11:39 AM

Mark

 

Its not war if you only allow 1 motor to run as they did in the IRRA rules

 

Jason

 

and .047 is .047 so tire size 790 or 750 you still have to clear a bigger tire gives me more room for change



#107 John Streisguth

John Streisguth

    Johnny VW

  • Full Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 4,712 posts
  • Joined: 20-November 08
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Bangor, PA

Posted 29 July 2014 - 12:06 PM

The PS-FK is faster than the PD motor, and cheap to boot....this was an "idea" that time will tell if it was a good one.  Personally, I cant wait to run it, as I don't think the chassis will be as complex as some think they might be, and with a bit more speed and downforce they could be a hoot to drive.

 

And 047 was chosen because pretty much everyone has a piece of 047 piano wire.

 

My suggestion...get hold of one of these motors and see how it works.  Maybe on lower power they may not be as fast as on the voltage we typically see around this area, but I would not be surprised if they are a bit faster than the Retro Hawk. 


  • Cap Henry likes this
"Whatever..."

#108 Dan Ebert

Dan Ebert

    Checkered Flag in Hand

  • Full Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,044 posts
  • Joined: 01-March 09
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Erie, PA

Posted 29 July 2014 - 12:21 PM

They are faster than the Retro Hawk { PS FK }.  Currently IRRA Can Am Plus, RETRO 7/68 and Penn Ohio Series Coupe  are using the Pro Slot FK .  The RETRO organization also allows in its rules the use of the PS FK in Can Am and F1.  If a Series or Special Event wishes to use the FK instead of the Puppy Dog.


GallerymanDan

#109 MSwiss

MSwiss

    Grand Champion Poster

  • Advertiser
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 18,368 posts
  • Joined: 16-April 06
  • Gender:Male

Posted 29 July 2014 - 12:36 PM

Dan,
You've run them all.

In your opinion,on a scale of 1 to 10 (10 being best), how would you rate the consistency of the P/S PD, P/S FK, Retro Hawk and Falcon 7?

Mike Swiss
 
IRRA® Components Committee Chairman
Five-time USRA National Champion (two G7, one G27, two G7 Senior)
Two-time G7 World Champion (1988, 1990)
Eight-time G7 King track single lap world record holder
17B West Ogden AveWestmont, IL 60559, ( 708) 203-8003
mikeswiss86@hotmail.com (also my PayPal address) 
Note: Send all USPS packages and mail to: 5858 Chase Ave., Downers Grove, IL 60516
Make checks out to Chicagoland Woodworking, Inc.


#110 Mark Wampler

Mark Wampler

    Grand Champion Poster

  • Subscriber
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 6,902 posts
  • Joined: 17-July 07
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Santa Maria, CA

Posted 29 July 2014 - 12:43 PM

My whole thing about the origin of Retro  that Paul Sterrett came up with was taking the motor equation completely out of this class.  Even so much as the ability to change motor brushes has the perception of changing the game.  You could introduce an exotic brush material that could give an edge.  Reshape, downsize or otherwise change the composition of the motor brush is altering motor performance.  Motor timing can be altered by brush manipulation.  This doesn’t add up to a fair playing field.

 

As was pointed out, the FK motor case being slim is able to accommodate a lower COG than the PS counterpart.

 

Far as my tooling with motor bracket fabrication,  I’m already set up with FK motors.  I don’t see the need to change that.


You can quote me.

-Mark

#111 Mark Wampler

Mark Wampler

    Grand Champion Poster

  • Subscriber
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 6,902 posts
  • Joined: 17-July 07
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Santa Maria, CA

Posted 29 July 2014 - 12:51 PM


And 047 was chosen because pretty much everyone has a piece of 047 piano wire.

 

 

I can understand the convenience of that, BUT when F-1 was considered to run .790 tires, the natural consquence was a .040 clearance.  That has been set in place for a few years already.  I bet Rick or somone can shave some aluminum plate down to .040 and get the job done. 


You can quote me.

-Mark

#112 Duffy

Duffy

    a dearly-missed departed member

  • Member at Peace
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 3,791 posts
  • Joined: 25-January 09
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Geographically Brooklyn, Politically Berkeley

Posted 29 July 2014 - 12:52 PM


and .047 is .047 so tire size 790 or 750 you still have to clear a bigger tire gives me more room for change

 

Dunno if it's been mentioned yet, but as your tyre diameter goes down, your footprint shrinks. You may find the class settling into an "ideal" diameter other than the minimum; and if that diameter turns out to be large enough, you'll also be able to sneak another tooth or two onto your crown for more tuning leeway. Sometimes, pushing right up to a limit on one option unnecessarily limits your other options.


  • S.O. Watt likes this
Michael J. Heinrich
1950-2016
Requiescat in Pace
 
And I am awaiting
perpetually and forever
a renaissance of wonder

#113 Dan Ebert

Dan Ebert

    Checkered Flag in Hand

  • Full Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,044 posts
  • Joined: 01-March 09
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Erie, PA

Posted 29 July 2014 - 12:52 PM

1 to 10 Scale      Puppy Dog 7.5

                           Retro Hawk  8.8

                           Falcon 7     5

                           TSR            6

                           Pro Slot FK   8

 

My scoring reflects price and consistency.   I have been getting better consistency with the Retro Hawk.  But I like the PS FK for price and longevity.

{Because of the ability to change brushes and springs}  I haven't lost a PS FK yet, but did get one dud. 


GallerymanDan

#114 John Streisguth

John Streisguth

    Johnny VW

  • Full Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 4,712 posts
  • Joined: 20-November 08
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Bangor, PA

Posted 29 July 2014 - 01:41 PM

Mark, the rule on brushes for IRRA is that they cannot be cut, chamfered, or otherwise modified.  I don't see where these motors would be excluded from those rules.  And as far as "unobtanium" brushes...well, if they were available, nobody would be bitching about the Retro Hawk motors :dash2:


"Whatever..."

#115 Samiam

Samiam

    Posting Leader

  • Subscriber
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 4,233 posts
  • Joined: 18-January 12
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Long Island, NY

Posted 29 July 2014 - 01:57 PM

Timing can not be advanced with cut brushes. Only the overlap reduced. You can only retard the timing.


Sam Levitch
 
"If you have integrity, nothing else matters, and if you do not have integrity, nothing else matters."
     Robert Mueller, special counsel (2013)

#116 Mark Wampler

Mark Wampler

    Grand Champion Poster

  • Subscriber
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 6,902 posts
  • Joined: 17-July 07
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Santa Maria, CA

Posted 29 July 2014 - 02:20 PM

Mark, the rule on brushes for IRRA is that they cannot be cut, chamfered, or otherwise modified

 

As you can see, the tech table will have an additional burden in checking for motor brush tampering.  If its written in the rules regarding specific motor brush regs, then it falls upon tech to verify each motor at the tech table prior to qualifying.  If not, then the "rulings" are acaedemic and not enforceable.  Who needs the burden of that?


You can quote me.

-Mark

#117 John Streisguth

John Streisguth

    Johnny VW

  • Full Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 4,712 posts
  • Joined: 20-November 08
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Bangor, PA

Posted 29 July 2014 - 02:45 PM

The FK motors already gets quite a bit of scrutiny, looking at brush arms, can dimensions, bushing position, etc  So taking a look at the brushes doesn't seem like that big of a deal.

I'm assuming, from what I have read over the past few years, that the SCRRA does all these checks on FK motors, as some racers there seem to have been at the forefront of some "creative tinkering" in the past.


"Whatever..."

#118 Samiam

Samiam

    Posting Leader

  • Subscriber
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 4,233 posts
  • Joined: 18-January 12
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Long Island, NY

Posted 29 July 2014 - 02:58 PM

"creative tinkering".......Come on John. It's cheating. I'm just amazed some were allowed to race.


Sam Levitch
 
"If you have integrity, nothing else matters, and if you do not have integrity, nothing else matters."
     Robert Mueller, special counsel (2013)

#119 Mark Wampler

Mark Wampler

    Grand Champion Poster

  • Subscriber
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 6,902 posts
  • Joined: 17-July 07
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Santa Maria, CA

Posted 29 July 2014 - 02:59 PM

Yes, there is a special guage that will detect if a motor case has been collapsed.  Zapped mags have already been hashed out.  What I like about the RH is the wrapped comm that will be a challenge to twist.  Overall, the RH offers the best FK performance, longivity and security.  As busy and hectic as race schedules go,  there's no need to add additional burdens to the tech table.  Those who are bent to win at any cost, only cheapen their podium and disrespect other racers and the hobby itself.


  • Samiam likes this
You can quote me.

-Mark

#120 MantaRay

MantaRay

    a dearly-missed departed member

  • Member at Peace
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,859 posts
  • Joined: 05-March 06
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Chicagoland

Posted 29 July 2014 - 03:07 PM

 

I can understand the convenience of that, BUT when F-1 was considered to run .790 tires, the natural consquence was a .040 clearance.  That has been set in place for a few years already.  I bet Rick or somone can shave some aluminum plate down to .040 and get the job done. 

Already being produced


Ray Price
11/4/49-1/23/15
Requiescat in Pace

#121 bbr

bbr

    Checkered Flag in Hand

  • Full Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,289 posts
  • Joined: 08-March 12
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:LA

Posted 05 August 2014 - 02:50 AM

Constructing a CA+ chassis
2014-08-05 00.42.41.jpg
Mike Low
Cry like a baby, drive like a girl, walk like a man.
Give me enough rope and I'll build a fast car... or hang myself?

#122 bbr

bbr

    Checkered Flag in Hand

  • Full Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,289 posts
  • Joined: 08-March 12
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:LA

Posted 06 August 2014 - 04:45 PM

My first CA+ chassis (also my first retro build).

S7 cutup frame, RGeo front axle support (cut from Speedwagon nosepiece), Hanada rear bracket.

“shake, shake, shake” shaker plate, .610 fronts, .710 rears, will gear at 2.4 ratio, RH motor, Parma/Mac Mirage body (or a M20).

Loadsout at 89 grams.

Will test at BPR this weekend.

 

Attached Images

  • 2014-08-06 12.50.26.jpg

  • Samiam and George Blaha like this
Mike Low
Cry like a baby, drive like a girl, walk like a man.
Give me enough rope and I'll build a fast car... or hang myself?

#123 Tim Wilkins

Tim Wilkins

  • Subscriber
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 888 posts
  • Joined: 22-February 13
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Northridge, CA

Posted 06 August 2014 - 05:58 PM

Looks nice Mike. Come out for the flat track race so we can see the test drive on the King track.


"If everything seems under control, you're not going fast enough" - Mario Andretti


#124 bbr

bbr

    Checkered Flag in Hand

  • Full Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,289 posts
  • Joined: 08-March 12
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:LA

Posted 06 August 2014 - 09:35 PM

Looks nice Mike. Come out for the flat track race so we can see the test drive on the King track.

I will be there sat to shake down the car.

will be testing many things:

the small dia gear set, if the gears will be durable

gear ratio, 2.6 to start ( i do not have my 2.4 ratio set yet)

tires, JK treated: big, small hub; wonder small hub

chassis feel, does it nd to be stiffer ( add a set of floating .047 main rails?)

body downforce, RP body has more downfroce, but car will not be carrying the speed of a RP, so downforce will be less that a RP


  • George Blaha likes this
Mike Low
Cry like a baby, drive like a girl, walk like a man.
Give me enough rope and I'll build a fast car... or hang myself?

#125 Jason Holmes

Jason Holmes

    Race Leader

  • Subscriber
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 613 posts
  • Joined: 07-March 08
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Harbor CIty, CA

Posted 06 August 2014 - 10:32 PM

Mark

 

If we get to run this out West I for 1 will push we use the Motor rules from the East PS/FK only would be NICE to use them somewhere out here and they are the best bang for your BUCK

 

Jason

 

Try one you will like it :)


Mike that is a sweet ride

 

Jason


  • George Blaha likes this

#126 Dennis David

Dennis David

    Posting Leader

  • Subscriber
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 3,069 posts
  • Joined: 05-April 06
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:SF Bay Area

Posted 06 August 2014 - 11:50 PM

That's a sweet looking chassis!


Dennis David
    
curb-line2.jpg
 
gph_sm.jpg
   


#127 Mark Wampler

Mark Wampler

    Grand Champion Poster

  • Subscriber
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 6,902 posts
  • Joined: 17-July 07
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Santa Maria, CA

Posted 07 August 2014 - 12:34 AM

I will be there sat to shake down the car.

will be testing many things:

the small dia gear set, if the gears will be durable

gear ratio, 2.6 to start ( i do not have my 2.4 ratio set yet)

tires, JK treated: big, small hub; wonder small hub

chassis feel, does it nd to be stiffer ( add a set of floating .047 main rails?)

body downforce, RP body has more downfroce, but car will not be carrying the speed of a RP, so downforce will be less that a RP

 

Nice looking ride Mike.


You can quote me.

-Mark

#128 Mark Wampler

Mark Wampler

    Grand Champion Poster

  • Subscriber
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 6,902 posts
  • Joined: 17-July 07
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Santa Maria, CA

Posted 07 August 2014 - 01:04 AM

Mark

 

If we get to run this out West I for 1 will push we use the Motor rules from the East PS/FK only would be NICE to use them somewhere out here and they are the best bang for your BUCK

 

Jason

 

Try one you will like it :)


Mike that is a sweet ride

 

Jason

 

Jason,

 

I applaud anyone who can improve mouse traps.    I would counter and say maybe the PS-FK motor would be  the better mouse trap for RP cars.  Longer motor life, (so I read) and cheaper for sure.  That may be  attractive for  budget minded racers who (again) want to go faster.  I'm a big fan of close racing as opposed to fast racing, like our friends north of us are continually making reference.  Better to spend less money on a motor that allows closer racing, lasts longer, but at the same time allows some wiggle room with different brush material, dimension,and spring tension.  About 99.99% sure RP racers aren't about to give up their X-12 power plants, but it was a thought.

 

I'm going to be traditional and stay with the Retro Hawk IF official rules are adopted.  The idea of CanAm Expert is to ease into the class with minimal upgrades.  East stays with PS style traditionally in the same way west stays with FK style.


  • George Blaha likes this
You can quote me.

-Mark

#129 bbr

bbr

    Checkered Flag in Hand

  • Full Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,289 posts
  • Joined: 08-March 12
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:LA

Posted 07 August 2014 - 07:01 PM

thanks, Jason, Dennis, Mark.

next chassis will be based on a CL GVP kit. I'm going cut the legs on the motor bracket to get the tire dia I want. it is possible because Mike designed the bracket to have the motor shaft inline with the axle. main rails will be 1/8" flat rail or 1/16". and a floating Warmack perimeter frame.

 

do not know if this class will have legs out here, but I'm planning to have a couple of cars ready for the Brawl, ordered bodies from Noose and got some PS/FKs.

just need to find my kevlar vest for the NJ trip, ha ha!


Mike Low
Cry like a baby, drive like a girl, walk like a man.
Give me enough rope and I'll build a fast car... or hang myself?

#130 Dennis David

Dennis David

    Posting Leader

  • Subscriber
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 3,069 posts
  • Joined: 05-April 06
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:SF Bay Area

Posted 07 August 2014 - 07:37 PM

With Noose bodies those are going to be some sharp cars. Please post pics.

Also just drool a lot and talk to yourself and people won't mess with you.

Dennis David
    
curb-line2.jpg
 
gph_sm.jpg
   


#131 bbr

bbr

    Checkered Flag in Hand

  • Full Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,289 posts
  • Joined: 08-March 12
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:LA

Posted 08 August 2014 - 12:32 PM

Body mounted (Mirage), PS/FK installed.
Revised shakerplate, took front cross bar out and added floating front body tube.
Cut some tires, 10/26 gears, rdy for BPR tomorrow.

PS/FK has a lot of magnet, should be punchy and have good brakes.
My .600 dia crown gear set may be too fragile for all this torque.
May have to do with cut down Parma crown.
Mike Low
Cry like a baby, drive like a girl, walk like a man.
Give me enough rope and I'll build a fast car... or hang myself?

#132 bbr

bbr

    Checkered Flag in Hand

  • Full Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,289 posts
  • Joined: 08-March 12
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:LA

Posted 10 August 2014 - 05:35 AM

0.610 dia crown gear no bueno: 2014-08-10 02.35.13-1.jpg
After about 20 laps on BPR flat track in a normal CA car
Mike Low
Cry like a baby, drive like a girl, walk like a man.
Give me enough rope and I'll build a fast car... or hang myself?

#133 bbr

bbr

    Checkered Flag in Hand

  • Full Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,289 posts
  • Joined: 08-March 12
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:LA

Posted 10 August 2014 - 06:08 AM

2014-08-10 02.37.29.jpg

Shake down on king at BPR. Dirty track conditions, about 0.30 sec slower than perfect conditions.
Car weight 93.6 grams, gear 10/26, rear tire dia 0.715 JK small hub wonder, MAC/Parma Mirage with full spoiler.
First laps, car no grip with wonder rubber. Switch to JK treated small hub.
Car good with treated tires. Drives deep into deadman, hooks up good in donut. Top speed, less that a normal CA. Remove spoiler, more speed, but kicks out in donut. Put spoiler back on and flaten it out.
Handed car to some of the expert racers that raced on the flat track this day for their impression. Turns
a 4.26 on blue. Motor runs hot, but comm looks good.
With fine tunning, parring weight down, lower aero load body... and ideal track conditios... 3.6s possible.
  • S.O. Watt likes this
Mike Low
Cry like a baby, drive like a girl, walk like a man.
Give me enough rope and I'll build a fast car... or hang myself?

#134 W. J. Dougherty

W. J. Dougherty

    Checkered Flag in Hand

  • Full Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,100 posts
  • Joined: 27-April 07
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Ashburn, VA

Posted 10 August 2014 - 08:02 AM

0.610 dia crown gear no bueno: attachicon.gif2014-08-10 02.35.13-1.jpg
After about 20 laps on BPR flat track in a normal CA car


Just what kind of gear and hub assembly is that? Obviously, you used a Parma gear later. Was it cut down?
Yortuk & Georg Festrunk

#135 Mark Wampler

Mark Wampler

    Grand Champion Poster

  • Subscriber
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 6,902 posts
  • Joined: 17-July 07
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Santa Maria, CA

Posted 10 August 2014 - 11:09 AM

Nice first test run Mike.  Slick looking setup.  That looks like a slot it crown.  Larry S. used to have those laying around which are best suited for low powered 32nd scale cars.  3.6's would be awesome for an A main car. 

Like to see how you do with a RH power plant.


You can quote me.

-Mark

#136 Tim Neja

Tim Neja

    Grand Champion Poster

  • Full Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 5,465 posts
  • Joined: 11-June 07
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Orange County

Posted 10 August 2014 - 12:10 PM

Mike's car is beautiful!! Great job for your first build Mike!! BUT---performance was no better than current Can Am cars---so --"what's the point"????


She's real fine, my 409!!!

#137 bbr

bbr

    Checkered Flag in Hand

  • Full Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,289 posts
  • Joined: 08-March 12
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:LA

Posted 10 August 2014 - 12:14 PM

Just what kind of gear and hub assembly is that? Obviously, you used a Parma gear later. Was it cut down?


Bevel gear set from Black Arrow slot cars, 13/37. I tested it on my normal CA with a RH motor.
Mike Low
Cry like a baby, drive like a girl, walk like a man.
Give me enough rope and I'll build a fast car... or hang myself?

#138 bbr

bbr

    Checkered Flag in Hand

  • Full Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,289 posts
  • Joined: 08-March 12
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:LA

Posted 10 August 2014 - 12:46 PM

Mike's car is beautiful!! Great job for your first build Mike!! BUT---performance was no better than current Can Am cars---so --"what's the point"????

CA+ car feels different. With RP body and smaller tires car feel more stuck in turns, but slower on straights. With refinement, finding the proper balance of speed to handling, CA+ car will run 0.2 to 0.3 faster.

Really... no need to have CA+ for SCRRA... but I'm planning to run at the Brawl.
Mike Low
Cry like a baby, drive like a girl, walk like a man.
Give me enough rope and I'll build a fast car... or hang myself?

#139 bbr

bbr

    Checkered Flag in Hand

  • Full Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,289 posts
  • Joined: 08-March 12
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:LA

Posted 10 August 2014 - 12:55 PM

Also, I like the look of the RP bodies. There are more RP bodies that will work well on a CA+ car. It may narrow down to a one body type class in CA+ (everyone runs a TI22 in CA).
Mike Low
Cry like a baby, drive like a girl, walk like a man.
Give me enough rope and I'll build a fast car... or hang myself?

#140 MSwiss

MSwiss

    Grand Champion Poster

  • Advertiser
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 18,368 posts
  • Joined: 16-April 06
  • Gender:Male

Posted 10 August 2014 - 03:23 PM

Try another motor or maybe 11/26.

4.26 sounds slow.

Mike Swiss
 
IRRA® Components Committee Chairman
Five-time USRA National Champion (two G7, one G27, two G7 Senior)
Two-time G7 World Champion (1988, 1990)
Eight-time G7 King track single lap world record holder
17B West Ogden AveWestmont, IL 60559, ( 708) 203-8003
mikeswiss86@hotmail.com (also my PayPal address) 
Note: Send all USPS packages and mail to: 5858 Chase Ave., Downers Grove, IL 60516
Make checks out to Chicagoland Woodworking, Inc.


#141 bbr

bbr

    Checkered Flag in Hand

  • Full Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,289 posts
  • Joined: 08-March 12
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:LA

Posted 10 August 2014 - 03:49 PM

With 0.715 rears, I figure 2.4 ratio. 11/26 would be 2.36. Will try that next time out.

PS/FK ran hot, but comm and springs looks good.

Building (and having built) some more chassis to try, hope to have something decent to run at the Brawl.


Mike Low
Cry like a baby, drive like a girl, walk like a man.
Give me enough rope and I'll build a fast car... or hang myself?

#142 MSwiss

MSwiss

    Grand Champion Poster

  • Advertiser
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 18,368 posts
  • Joined: 16-April 06
  • Gender:Male

Posted 10 August 2014 - 04:01 PM

Maybe you would get some of that bank speed back if you were able to run the wonder tires.

 

How hard / what type of wonder were they?


Mike Swiss
 
IRRA® Components Committee Chairman
Five-time USRA National Champion (two G7, one G27, two G7 Senior)
Two-time G7 World Champion (1988, 1990)
Eight-time G7 King track single lap world record holder
17B West Ogden AveWestmont, IL 60559, ( 708) 203-8003
mikeswiss86@hotmail.com (also my PayPal address) 
Note: Send all USPS packages and mail to: 5858 Chase Ave., Downers Grove, IL 60516
Make checks out to Chicagoland Woodworking, Inc.


#143 redbackspyder

redbackspyder

    Renegade, Mutineer

  • Full Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,995 posts
  • Joined: 09-January 08
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Rowland Heights, CA

Posted 10 August 2014 - 04:03 PM

I drove Mike's car to a 4.21 yesterday, and the car needed higher gearing, if he had been 11 /26 it would have been much better, as it was dead before the bank with the small tires... The motor was what I would call OK, but nothing special, it was just geared wrong.... Car handled fantastic, and the build was superb


Mill Conroy
 

AKA : TWO LAP CONROY, Anointed Trigger Monkey by Mike Swiss

 

Deal me life's toughest cards, without chance for hope nor fame, just let me play this one last hand, and I'll win this whole damn game.

Second Most Interesting Man in the World.


#144 redbackspyder

redbackspyder

    Renegade, Mutineer

  • Full Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,995 posts
  • Joined: 09-January 08
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Rowland Heights, CA

Posted 10 August 2014 - 04:09 PM

Up on white, where Bryan and I had glued the lane in, the car would run 4.2's, but by then it did not have wonder rubber on it, which would have made it about .2 quicker, and then re-gearing would have dropped it further, the car was planted with the Aero of the Retro Pro body, so I think Mike is on the right track for the Fall Brawl.... 


Mill Conroy
 

AKA : TWO LAP CONROY, Anointed Trigger Monkey by Mike Swiss

 

Deal me life's toughest cards, without chance for hope nor fame, just let me play this one last hand, and I'll win this whole damn game.

Second Most Interesting Man in the World.


#145 bbr

bbr

    Checkered Flag in Hand

  • Full Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,289 posts
  • Joined: 08-March 12
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:LA

Posted 10 August 2014 - 05:33 PM

thanks for the feedback Mill.

the RP body really plants the car. The CA+ car is fun, but it is getting away from SCRRA concept of chassis design rather than aero. 

i like the class and will keep working on the car setups, and run some races back east


Mike Low
Cry like a baby, drive like a girl, walk like a man.
Give me enough rope and I'll build a fast car... or hang myself?

#146 Tim Neja

Tim Neja

    Grand Champion Poster

  • Full Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 5,465 posts
  • Joined: 11-June 07
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Orange County

Posted 10 August 2014 - 05:45 PM

It be nice if you can find a little more horsepower!!! Perhaps another motor---your's just sounded a little "flat"!! :)


She's real fine, my 409!!!

#147 S.O. Watt

S.O. Watt

    Graduate Bench Racer

  • Full Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,086 posts
  • Joined: 24-June 06
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Seattle, WA

Posted 18 August 2014 - 06:05 PM

Notes from the NW Frontier.......

 

I suggest running one set of rules, as already written by IRRA.

 

A motor or clearance difference is NBD.

 

Then, after a year of actually racing these cars, evaluate the rules and see if anything really does need to be amended.

 

Looks like they could be fun, but I would prefer to start working with AWs. :victory:  :victory:

 

K.I.S.S.


Tom Hansen
Our Gang Racing Team
Cukras Enterprises

Team Camen

Chassis By Hansen

I race and shop at Pacific Slot Car Raceway


#148 bbr

bbr

    Checkered Flag in Hand

  • Full Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,289 posts
  • Joined: 08-March 12
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:LA

Posted 18 August 2014 - 06:42 PM

 

Notes from the NW Frontier.......

 

I suggest running one set of rules, as already written by IRRA.

 

A motor or clearance difference is NBD.

 

Then, after a year of actually racing these cars, evaluate the rules and see if anything really does need to be amended.

 

Looks like they could be fun, but I would prefer to start working with AWs. :victory:  :victory:

 

K.I.S.S.

 

it is a fun car to drive, more hooked up than a CA car. Tony P tested one this weekend and he said it went 0.2 faster than his CA car.

I re-jigged my rear end to run 0.765 tires to give me more options with gear ratios. will test it more at BPR this weekend.


Mike Low
Cry like a baby, drive like a girl, walk like a man.
Give me enough rope and I'll build a fast car... or hang myself?

#149 Tom Eatherly

Tom Eatherly

    Checkered Flag in Hand

  • Full Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,696 posts
  • Joined: 28-October 11
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:SoCal

Posted 18 August 2014 - 07:18 PM

 

Notes from the NW Frontier.......

 

I suggest running one set of rules, as already written by IRRA.

 

A motor or clearance difference is NBD.

 

Then, after a year of actually racing these cars, evaluate the rules and see if anything really does need to be amended.

 

Looks like they could be fun, but I would prefer to start working with AWs. :victory:  :victory:

 

K.I.SI.S

I'm not on here much, but, I like Hansen's A/W idea. On BPR's F/T.

 


Tom Eatherly

#150 Jason Holmes

Jason Holmes

    Race Leader

  • Subscriber
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 613 posts
  • Joined: 07-March 08
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Harbor CIty, CA

Posted 18 August 2014 - 09:29 PM

Mike 

 

I have a few PS FK motors if you would like to try one on Sat will put a 10 on one might try a 27 at first on our low power they have awesome brakes I ran it a few laps in a CA-am car 4.2 fast lap at 9/28 could easy go 10/26 

 

Jason







Electric Dreams Online Shop