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Posted 11 September 2014 - 02:50 PM

Gentlemen,
 
My first post. New around here so pics are in order!
 
Here are some photos of my first try at track building...
 
This is kind of a "left overs" track. I've had a lot of nuts and bolts and lumber left over from other projects and am trying to incorporate as much of that in the build as possible. 
 
Basic layout
 
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Legs attached
 
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Pulling the bank
 
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All attached
 
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I wish I would have found this forum sooner... would have saved my some time and effort.
 
More later!
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Posted 11 September 2014 - 02:56 PM

Looks great!!! I run SCRAM over in the Wenatchee area and race Retro over in Spokane. 

Hope to catch up with you and chat sometime!!!!

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Posted 11 September 2014 - 02:59 PM

Welcome to Slotblog - folks here are extremely knowledgeable and will not keep secrets that save time and shorten your learning curve. It's not like you can take any classes for this hobby.
 
Wow! Looks great, wish you were in central Florida!

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Posted 11 September 2014 - 03:16 PM

Looks great!!! I run SCRAM over in the Wenatchee area and race Retro over in Spokane. Hope to catch up with you and chat sometime!!!

Hillbilly

 
I would love to chat and look forward to meeting. I've been told of your abundant skills!
 
I'm just finishing up painting right now.
 
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What I'm really trying to wrap my wee brain around now is proper wiring and a power source.
 
How much power will I need for this track? Good and cost effective power source?
 

Wow!  Looks great, wish you were in central Florida!  

 
This winter I will, too!
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Posted 11 September 2014 - 03:27 PM

Folks here knows power systems, not me...I run at a private track with one 12v RV/Marine battery and it has LOTS of power.  Of course, drag tracks are standard at 16V, and most commercial tracks run around 14V.  Someone will chime in with great ideas for you I'm sure.  Paint looks Great!  


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Posted 11 September 2014 - 04:23 PM

Might be your first track but you obviously have a lot of woodworking skills. The track looks fantastic!
 
A 50 amp power pack should be plenty for your track. You can find them on eBay.

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Posted 11 September 2014 - 04:53 PM

Might be your first track but you obviously have a lot of wood working skills.

 
Butch, your track is amazing. I read that entire thread and was inspired. Sculpture! and original!
 
I built this with two routers a skill saw and a sander. I lost access to the wood shop I had used for other projects.  
 
To say I have a lot of skills would be generous. I am often impatient for finish work. A wooded boat builder I follow says he builds 50 ft boats. If it looks good from 50 feet stop sanding and go sailing!
 
There is a few things I would do different a second time. For example putting the sides up around the track took me a while to figure out a technique that worked well for me.  Lots of other things that just took me some time to think through.  

50amp power pack is what has been suggested to me. I know little of electrical work but can follow a diagram. Understanding the different variations of watts, volts, amps, etc., is what I need to learn. Switching, regulated, linear is a complete mystery. The different sizes, costs, and computer, medical, Ham radio, and audio is no more clear. I'm trying to learn now.
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Posted 11 September 2014 - 07:01 PM

Great track.  The design is what I would like to shoot for one of these days.   Andy Smith has lots of info on his website, professor motor.com.   The following is some wiring info he has.      http://www.professor...egory-s/211.htm

There are probably some other good  internets sites with diagrams/instructions. 

 

I found some reasonable high amp power supplies on Ebay that work fine.   They were much cheraper than the Pyramid and other  supplies usually mentioned.   I will try to find  the lisitng again and email it to you.

http://www.ebay.com/...=STRK:MEBIDX:IT


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Posted 11 September 2014 - 07:27 PM

Great looking track; Bet you can't hardly wait to run on it..  What track control are you going to use?

 

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Posted 11 September 2014 - 08:26 PM

This one is available:

 

http://slotblog.net/...timing-systems/


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Posted 11 September 2014 - 08:29 PM

What track control are you going to use?

 

 

We're working on that right now.  Checking out solutions in order of expense.  Trying out some Ipad apps right now.  Always looking for wisdom on solutions.  Learning about DC electric systems is part of the process and one of the reasons for building the track.

 

 

Budget for this project is the amount of money I can get that my wife doesn't notice.

 

Thanks for the complements and encouragement.  I can't wait to run the track.  I have not raced a slot car since Nixon was president.  I suppose I'm the only guy that owns a track and no cars!

 


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Posted 11 September 2014 - 08:41 PM

Kent,

 

Your track looks great. Check out the system for sale in the link in post #10.

 

If you need a car PM me. I'll mail you one. I have too many. :wacko2: 


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Posted 11 September 2014 - 09:02 PM

 
Butch, your track is amazing. I read that entire thread and was inspired. Sculpture! and original!
 
I built this with two routers a skill saw and a sander. 
 
 If it looks good from 50 feet stop sanding and go sailing!

Thanks for the compiment Kent but I have quite an advantage over you. I use to own a cabinet shop, I have a lot of tools and I've built about a dozen tracks. It's not hard to build a track with all that. I think you're doing great with the tools you have.

 

I use to build foodlines for a restaurant chain and the owner of the chain wasn't picky about attention to detail.  His motto was "you'd never see it from a galloping horse".  :laugh2:


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Posted 12 September 2014 - 01:13 PM

Butch,  I lost access to the wood shop I've used for 25 years.  My neighbor was a tool maker and inventor type with a big wood and metal shop who taught me alot and was always there for help.  He passed  away about a year ago and his widow has packed the shop full of stuff so it is unusable.  The big panel saw and big table saw and radial arm and shaper would have been really handy!

 

I should change my handle to "galloping horse", I'm trying to slow down and finish better.

 

Your track looks great. Check out the system for sale in the link in post #10.

 

 

 

Samiam,  we're talking about that right now... If I can afford it.


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Posted 12 September 2014 - 08:44 PM

A good timing system for home/club use is the trackmate (www.trackmateracing.com)  relay board is included, just have a dead strip or led lap counter and an old laptop OR desktop with a mouse.  Old SRT is DOS (no mouse needed) only and only older x86 motherboards accept the interface card.  Many newer and fancy $$$ systems are also around.

 

Power supply is somewhat dependent on which cars are used. If you only use homeset, then 5 amps per lane is fine with 18 ga wiring in taps.  If you really want to try to run the fastest cars made, you increase the track wiring up to 10/12 and ten to fifteen amps per lane.  On a small track, you only need taps in the straights.


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Posted 13 September 2014 - 05:57 AM

Another option for a scoring computer are the many refurbed HP Older desktops offered at New Egg like this one for $90 with Windows 7, 80gig HD and is 64 bit. It already has the correct serial port to plug in the relay board. If you are going to run more than one monitor, a powered video splitter can be had for under $15.

The one problem I have noticed with newer machines using the USB to Serial adapter is communications can be lost and need to be re-established. Sometimes this can be a real PIA. While it does not happen often, for $90 it is worth it to me.

 

The track looks good. I would like to see more of it. Please post additional photos.


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Posted 16 September 2014 - 02:59 PM

Sorry, I've been away for a couple of days.   

 

This is a purpose built track.  I built this with the idea of taking it to school for a series of exploratory classes at the 5-8 school where I teach.  I explained I was using a slot car track to my administration, if they thought it a little HO track is that my fault?  So I took over an empty portable as my new school speedway.  After kids see this there is no way they'll be able to make me move it!  

 

Yada Yada Yada Pics!

 

Moving

 

 

truckslotcar.jpg

 

The new school speedway.

 

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A better view of the classroom.

 

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I'll write more about my school plans when I have time to organize my thoughts.  I will be seeking insight in how I can use my track to work with kids.

 

Kent


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Posted 16 September 2014 - 03:14 PM

Kent,

 

I would make them build Retro cars using brass and piano wire. I'd also make them rewind their own motors. They'd learn how to solder, measure in thousands of inches, form parts using grinders, drills, cut off wheels and paint bodies. They'd also learn what makes an electric motor work.


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nothing to be a PATRIOT." - Mark Twain, 1904

 

 


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Posted 16 September 2014 - 03:24 PM

That is kind of my idea.  I think we'll start building a basic kit then progress to more complicated electronics.  Scientific method is how I'll sell it to the school, I really just want to play slot cars at work!


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Posted 16 September 2014 - 03:48 PM

For a high school physics class my daughter had a choice of various projects to build and then had to explain and show an example of how the simple project was used by people.   She/we picked the dc powered motor kit that a kid can build.   The kit was $5 or $10 bucks and ran off a battery.    For the demo of how  dc motors can be used, she took the little Monogram oval I had built to take to the Dolton slot show many years ago.  It was a wooden box, 2X2 and about 4 inches thick.   You opened the box and each side had track mounted in it that then slid together to make a small oval.  All the kids enjoyed it and they didn't want me to take it home at the end of the day. 

 

Like model railroading there are a lot of skills in our hobby, from woodworking to electric to painting, lots of stuff we take for granted.


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Posted 16 September 2014 - 04:13 PM

Just all the things that make a car fast would be a lesson on the scientific method. For a kid to predict the fastest car from limited information takes them to all the science. I enjoy mixing disciplines. I never enjoyed geometry until I began making things. The best engineers also have an artist eye. Mostly school needs to engage kids in whats in it for them. It seems we only emphasis what gets them to college, that's just not good enough. What makes his car faster, that's how cars are made.


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Posted 16 September 2014 - 05:10 PM

Slot car racing is a hobby of thousands of an inch and thousands of a second.


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Posted 17 September 2014 - 01:00 PM

Last night we tested an Ipad app for timing on another track, and while not perfect, I think that's how were going to start out.  I think I'll braid it with a dead strip with the idea of later purchase and install of a Trackmate system.  I have an PC availiable for that purpose but would rather put money into the power source at this time.  

 

Sound like a good idea?

 

Also looking to order several cheap starter kit cars and controllers.  

 

Is this a good place to start? http://www.e-slotcar...-kit-par-426ck/


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Posted 17 September 2014 - 01:20 PM

Such a small track and beginners says "VARIBLE VOLTAGE" power supply to me.  Look for a deal on a Pyramid 25 amp variable output for CB radios....hard to kill, last forever for $100 or less used, new $130~......


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Posted 17 September 2014 - 01:31 PM

I'll second that on the pyramid 25 amp variable. I had it on my first Four lane 72 foot  Pink track and it worked GREAT. We did a Ton of racin at 10.5 volts!!!! Hillbilly


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Posted 17 September 2014 - 04:30 PM

Looking now.


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Posted 17 September 2014 - 05:06 PM

Kent,

 

I wouldn't get starter kits. Parma cars are fine but I'd go with Professor Motors electronic controller instead of the old resistor type controller. Beginners will just burn up resistors.


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Anything is possible IF you don't know what you are talking about.
 
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and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it cost
nothing to be a PATRIOT." - Mark Twain, 1904

 

 


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Posted 19 September 2014 - 03:26 PM

OK purchased the pyramid variable power supply and it's on the way.  I definitely want the kids to start slow and not kill all the cars and controllers.

 

I'm working now on the controllers and cars.  I hear you about the electronic controllers, but don't know if I can swing the $$$$$ right now.  If the cheaper ones last a little while it will give me time to raise some school dollars and replace them one at a time next year.  

 

Mostly I've been convinced to make it easy for kids to race right away and have fun and success.  Not everybody gets a trophy success, but keep it on the raceway success.  

 

Braiding the track next week.  Should be up and running the week after that.

 

Thanks all for the help guys.  


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Posted 19 September 2014 - 03:47 PM

Kent,

 

I would put Parma Homeset motors in your cars. They are fast enough that you have to drive them but slow enough a beginner can drive them. It's what I have in my raceway cars and we have a blast with them. I'm using Champion Turbo Flex chassis with Parma rental car bodies and homeset motors.


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Danger is my middle name, that's why I race slot cars.

 

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and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it cost
nothing to be a PATRIOT." - Mark Twain, 1904

 

 


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Posted 19 September 2014 - 03:51 PM

It sounds like I'd be better off buying parts separate like that rather than in kit form, Right?


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Posted 19 September 2014 - 04:17 PM

Usually by the time you buy gears, tires and motors to make a kit car run on your track it is cheaper to piece together cars. You can get used Flexi 2, Champion or JK chassis real cheap. Hell, ask for donations for the school right here on Slotblog, I'm sure a lot guys have them just laying around not using them.


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Danger is my middle name, that's why I race slot cars.

 

Anything is possible IF you don't know what you are talking about.
 
"In the beginning of a change, the PATRIOT is a scarce man, and brave and hated
and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it cost
nothing to be a PATRIOT." - Mark Twain, 1904

 

 


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Posted 19 September 2014 - 09:38 PM

Unbelievable - how many kids are going to get the chance at the track?  I see it now, the teachers after school having fun in the portable...way better than a ping pong table.  I come from a family of teachers (dad, aunt, uncle, uncle) - good for you! 


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Posted 22 September 2014 - 04:14 PM

It looks like about 20 kids to start.  We'll make up a bunch of jobs and race in teams of 2.  One marshal and one racer then switch.  Half race the other pit and learn about the sport.  

 

Part of the deal is to get the kids to do the work.  Raise some money on their own  (lawns, baby sit ect.) and build their own fun.  As you might have experienced many of the current generation have been punished by attention and our prosperity.  Many kids have never had an activity they were responsible for.  Their choice and their time money and effort. 

 

My idea is to teach kids to be responsible by giving them something to be responsible for and co-racers to answer to.  

 

On the other hand I'm making this up as I go along!


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Posted 22 September 2014 - 06:27 PM

Awesome Kent!  Make sure you let the slot enthusiasts nearby know what time the last bell rings...

 

Only 20 kids in the whole school?  Wait till word of mouth gets around...


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Posted 22 September 2014 - 07:13 PM

Will there be any after school adult education?


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Posted 22 September 2014 - 08:09 PM

Yes!

I have been getting advice from local club members and am looking forward to having them race the track and teach me about racing.

At the end of the semester we'll have a parent race night to raise money for next year.

Again, I'm making this up as I go along.

As far as the kids go, I have been telling them my class is a secret. Nothing is so popular as a secret.

Thanks for the support
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Posted 07 October 2014 - 01:29 PM

How about some updates and pics of all the work that's been done? I heard you've gotten the kids putting it together this week.


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Posted 07 October 2014 - 11:18 PM

Did you come up with enough controllers?  I might donate one or two...

 

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Posted 08 October 2014 - 01:24 PM

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JK Direct Drive 1/32 Cars would be great for your kids on that track.



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Posted 12 October 2014 - 11:03 AM

OK sorry for the delay

Track has been assembled

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Some of the kids working during lunch.


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Posted 12 October 2014 - 12:29 PM

Yesterday I had the opportunity to hang out with the guys at the Northwest Retro Racing League here in Spokane for their final race of the year. I had a blast. 

 

I was blown away by their love and dedication for slot car racing, their gentlemanly collegiality, but mostly their generosity of spirit.  My brain is spinning with ideas for my students because of the advice and example of each and every racer.  Or as the kids would say, "way cool"

 

Specific thanks to Mike Nelson.  

 

Mike is to blame for this track of mine.  I met Mike through his neighbor, Jake, who I work with at school.  When Mike showed me his track I was hooked and the next day at school began to plan my build.  Dreaming led to more practical planning and one morning when my wife was out I went to Home Depot and purchased MDF and off I went to build.  The track took over the garage.  Along the way Mike has given his advice, encouragement, lent tools and cars, and opened his home for me to take pictures of his track.

 

Also big thanks to Ken Bryan for donating two boxes of his pre-loved equipment for the kids to learn and experiment on.  Ken also took the time to explain his many ideas on what kind of racing the kids would be successful and happy with.  I will now be bugging him as well as Mike.  I hope they know what they've gotten themselves into.

 

Hillybilly and the guys in SCRAM also gets my sincere thanks.  I haven't gotten to go through the car package they sent for us yet, but I've been told it's amazing.  Hillybilly gave much advice and teaching on the care and feeding of the tracks.  I could have talked with him about track building for hours, I guess that's a warning, Mike, Ken and Hillybilly are now all on speed dial.  

 

Thanks again, more later.

 

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Posted 12 October 2014 - 12:33 PM

That's awesome to see someone bringing slot cars to kids and getting them involved. I'm young myself and had never heard of slot cars on a commercial level until about 6 months ago.I had small ho tracks for Christmas. But never knew of anything bigger I wish I would have had someone show me the way years back.its really cool what you are doing.
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Posted 02 March 2016 - 11:03 AM

i wish i was in your class .  i recently introduced my son of 6 years old into slot car racing. this is great seeing what your doing here. good luck with this project. i think and believe that this is what kids need. If you build another track i have an idea for you, LED strip lighting instead of painting the strips on the track. they make it pretty low and i think it would look really cool.



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Posted 02 March 2016 - 01:11 PM

Dayam....where were teachers like you when I was in school, your kids are really blessed to have you there for them, keep up the good work. By the way, as others suggested earlier, put out your address , Im sure there are some that would love to donate to the cause, I know I have some old flexi chassis and some unused and unpainted bodies the kids would have a blast painting. Good luck...Kim
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Posted 02 March 2016 - 02:05 PM

Put a note up here about where to send donations for your class. I've got some old retro bodies I'm not going to use--Mclarens etc. I'll send them along with some nascars too.  Their lexan--need to be painted.  Do you have an airbrush?  Lot's of help could be available as you've learned. Keep up the great work.


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Posted 02 March 2016 - 02:06 PM

Fantastic work you're doing, the kids will love it...!!!

 

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Posted 02 March 2016 - 04:33 PM

Kent should post up the latest pics of the track with the new extension he's done to it.


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Posted 03 March 2016 - 03:10 AM

What cars did you end up with?  FYI, many new ready to run cars use the flacon type motor and JK Products also has two slow versions.  JK Hawk 15 is a 15K motor and is available in a direct drive frame and the JK Hawk 25 is a 25K motor used in many rental cars to replace the older Falcon-2 which was introduced over 15 years ago.  JK Falcon # 1 - 5 have limited brakes compared to the Falcon/Hawk-7 and Retro Hawk 50K+ motors.


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Posted 03 March 2016 - 02:54 PM

I have a few flexi chassis I can donate to this cause, but I need a destination for the package. I would also like to know what scale the group is running, I may have some that they could have in 1/32 scale.


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