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#1 havlicek

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Posted 21 September 2014 - 03:42 PM

I get a lot of questions about all this motor stuff, so I figured it was time to once again post up a step-by-step build.  

 

The subject this time is an old Mabuchi FJ13UO, the Mabuchi "homeset" motor and the "poor cousin" to the larger FT16D, FT26D, and FT36D motors everyone is more familiar with. When I was a kid, these were among my favorites as it was easy to build a chassis around one of these to do an F1 car... even 1/32 scale.  hese were also among the more frustrating to wring any kind of serious performance out of. The magnets are absolute doo-doo, the endbell is weak... even by Mabuchi standards, and it takes some serious fiddling to get the "littlest Mabuchi" to run with the big boys.  
 
Fast forward a bunch of decades and, except for the magnets (which I will explain in a little bit)there's nothing about this build that couldn't have been done back then.

First, here's the motor in all its "you really going through with this?" vintage "glory". This is going to take some effort:

 

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Here's the same motor stripped down to its underwear. Even the magnets are rusty, and someone did something unholy to the arm:

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After some elbow grease, here's the can all stripped of its former yuckiness and a set of poly-neo magnets salvaged from an old Falcon motor. I stripped the Mabuchi stack, pressed-in a new drill blank shaft, cut some comm and tail spacers, powder-coated it (after being sure the arm would center in the field), and got a NOS Tradeship comm ready to go.

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The poly neo magnets are a bit tall for the new can, so they had to be trimmed top and bottom. My decidedly un-precise way of handling this is to measure them... and then the can interior height, divide the difference by half and then cut them to the half-height on the top and then the rest of the way on the bottom. Afterwards, I mix up a hot batch of epoxy... stick some on the can inside and some on the magnet's rear (convex) surface and in they go. The rear "stop dimples" in the can happen to be exactly correct for spacing the magnets fore and aft so, after installing them, it's a simple matter of squishing them in place with a set of magnet wedges to hold them until the epoxy cures fully.  

 

Meanwhile, the can was also drilled for endbell retainer screws, and the magnet tabs flattened out to get them out of the way. After installing the magnets, I checked their gauss and it's way up in the 1100+ territory. For comparison purposes, the stock ones read in the low-400 range on the same meter:

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After a little oven speed-curing, the brass can bushing retainer is polished up and the can is painted with a couple of coats of orange so it looks spiffy(ier). Time to do some winding:

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Before winding, the comm timing advance had to be set and here you have to be careful because this is one of the Tradeship comms with advance "built in" by offsetting the tab positions. Because it had CW advance built in and I wanted to go CCW, I had to twist the comm enough to overcome the built-in advance and then advance the timing in the opposite direction. That put the tabs in something of an awkward position, but nothing that was more than an annoyance. The arm got the old "55t/#29AWG" wind to go with the new stout magnets. This is gonna be good!   :D
 
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Once the arm was wound, tied, epoxied, and balanced, it was time to do modify the endbell a bit. The upper brush hoods were clearanced a little by the spring post to make room for sleeving the posts with aluminum tubing and for the wider springs. After sleeving, I wound a set of springs from .015" guitar strings... a nice nickel-stainless alloy that works well for this. It took me more time than usual to do this because of the unusual geometry of the springs (I had to wind four-coils to get them tall enough... and had to wind them "backwards" from how I usually do it to get the long leg on top).

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Time for final assembly. With none of these brushes available new (that I know of).. .and also considering that the stock brushes on these motors are very soft anyway, I trimmed a set of 26D brushes to fit... a little at a time on the sides and top and bottom until they were a snug and not sloppy fit.  The "hoods" on these motors are actually a better design than the "heat sinks" found on all the other bigger and "better" models... a pretty close analog to the later Mura-type set-up:

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Test spin time (finally). The motor is dead-nuts right on. It draws a healthy 1.5 amps or a bit more, doesn't get very warm at all, and screams a beautiful song... spinning up and down FAST and wanting to twist in my hand. Yep, there's plenty of torque and revs here. It might be a problem to put this motor in a typical light/fragile period inline chassis... but that's a "good problem" the way I see it. This motor will run away from a good number of FT16D and FT26D rewinds thanks in no small part to the stout magnets, but also benefitting from its inherent light weight and short height which will result in less overall mass and a lower CoG.

While it's no "concours winner", I think it's a pretty little thing to boot, and with the six or so hours of work invloved would look lovely all mounted up:

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There's plenty of motors out there needing some TLC, get busy!
 
-john


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Posted 21 September 2014 - 04:02 PM

Cracking good *how to*, John.  :good: :D

 

If the performance of the good old 55t of 29# running in a "Havlicek"  SCX homeset motor is anything to go by with the powerful standard ceramic magnets, I could imagine this wind with the poly neos is gonna be interesting.  :D

 

*The HPower SCX is scary fast and still needs the right gear ratio*   ;)



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Posted 21 September 2014 - 09:26 PM

Thanks, Paul.  :)

 

Yeah, this is a major step up from the SCX rewinds, but the SCXRX42 has a ton of potential and could go this hot with no major problems. The one major downfall of those motors is also the endbell... but more because of its bizarre configuration than the material it's molded from, which seems fine.

 

Anyhow, I hope this post answers some questions. I didn't cover all steps, because of the time involved, but I think I hit the high points of how to handle the old can motors, since they're all sort of the same with some variations. Some more details:

- Magnet "hole" came in at around .535"
- Arm final OD is right at .510"

- Arm resistance measure around .45 ohms

 

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Posted 21 September 2014 - 09:43 PM

Yeah, they certainly have a weird configuration on the endbell, haven't looked closely but I'd imagine you may be able to squeeze some regular brush hoods off of another motor, or even scratch some up?

 

Got plenty of bits and all of your great info/tips/advice I swear one of these days the LaGanke winder will see the light of day.  :D   :laugh2:



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Posted 22 September 2014 - 06:43 AM

Got plenty of bits and all of your great info/tips/advice I swear one of these days the LaGanke winder will see the light of day  :D    :laugh2:

 
Well... I hope so!  

The SCX motors have a brush spring arrangement that's similar to these in that the fixed arm of the springs winds up on top of the brush carriers.  They would be even tougher to hand fabricate than these springs, and there's simply not enough "spring" there for a wind like this #29. They seem to work fine for the #30 that I usually do for those, and that's still pretty serious business for that motor! I've said it many times, but those ceramic magnets are great.
 
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Posted 22 September 2014 - 07:45 AM

Mean-looking! Needs a metal grate over the can opening to protect the turbine inside... and to keep small children and small animals safe.


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Posted 22 September 2014 - 09:06 AM

Will this one be offered up for bids also??

 

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Posted 22 September 2014 - 11:48 AM

Great write-up. I thought this was a lost aspect of the slot racing hobby from the mid-'60's, but it seems to still be alive and well. Back in the day virtually everyone would wind their own arms.  

 

Individuals doing their own armature winding was done back in an era when boys were boys; now we have Retro racing and the era of when men are boys!



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Posted 22 September 2014 - 01:05 PM

I like it! Totally "Classic" look. :good:  :good:

 

... kinda reminds me of going to the disco in Fairview, NJ, in the early '80s.   :huh:  

 

A little orange 'Jellybean' is so Elegante'.

 

It came out just 'Divine'.  :sun_bespectacled:

'Step by Step'... quickly I turn... 'Come on' :dance3:


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Posted 22 September 2014 - 02:18 PM

Mean-looking! Needs a metal grate over the can opening to protect the turbine inside... and to keep small children and small animals safe.


Yeah... funny you should mention that. These cans are so wide open, you do have to be careful how you hold them when spinning them up!
 

Will this one be offered up for bids also??

 
Pretty much all the motors I post are for sale, John, just PM me here if you're interested and we can do it direct. Sometimes I'll post a motor I'm building for someone and of course those are spoken for, but not this one.
 

Great write-up. I thought this was a lost aspect of the slot racing hobby from the mid-'60's, but it seems to still be alive and well. Back in the day virtually everyone would wind their own arms.
 
Individuals doing their own armature winding was done back in an era when boys were boys; now we have Retro racing and the era of when men are boys!

 
Thanks, Steve. Seems like there aren't many left doing hand-winding outside of the actual motor suppliers who still offer hand wound arms and of course, the bleeding edge open and Eurosport big bucks guys.  There are a few... a very few... here have done some winding, and it's my hope that more join in so that this aspect of the hobby isn't lost.

 

I like it! Totally "Classic" look.  :good:   :good:
 
... kinda reminds me of going to the disco in Fairview, NJ, in the early '80s.    :huh:  
 
A little orange 'Jellybean' is so Elegante'.

 
Thanks, Bob. 10-4, there's still a strong connection between certain colors and the old manufacturers... red, orange, white, yellow, purple, chrome, gold, etc., still mean a certain company to those who remember!
 
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Posted 22 September 2014 - 04:00 PM

Thank you, thank you. I love the lesson!


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Posted 22 September 2014 - 06:20 PM

Glad it was a help, Kent. I'll do some more from time to time about just certain aspects that I glossed over. When I limit things, I can go into more detail.

 

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