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#1 redbackspyder

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Posted 08 October 2014 - 10:33 AM

Duffy, why is the mass exodus out of the Puppy Dogs? I thought they were supposed to be at least equal to the Retro Hawks? Seems everyone is making the switch.


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Posted 08 October 2014 - 10:38 AM

Can't give any better answer than what you've got all those other times, Mill. There are places these work much better, and then there're tracks where the  draw with a field full of Hawks just sucks the life out of the lone PD. I am not good enough to know when to run what, so I'm gonna just run my own program and enjoy myself

 

I'm unloading these for somebody who can appreciate 'em, that's all.


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Posted 08 October 2014 - 11:16 AM

Mill,
 
Unfortunately, it looks like the Puppy Dog has run its course in the IRRA®.

The Retro Hawk has proven to be more consistent with a better and more economical chance to get a real competitive motor.

Maybe the PD problem isn't overall consistency.

Just that one or two absolute monster "Puppy Dogs" exist.

In the results of the below Puppy Dog only, spec pinion race, there are guys who have spent $1,000s on PDs, and none of them have a "409", like the winner.

If you're a top racer, with reasonable expectations of winning, and you have to go up against a monster like that, you might ad well pack up your sh*t and go home.

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Posted 08 October 2014 - 11:30 AM

Just 2-1/2 tenths over the field. But who's counting anyway...


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Posted 08 October 2014 - 11:35 AM

Uh... way more than 2 tenths. The link showed race results, not qualifying results. Just about a full tenth from top qualifier to second fastest. Just about 2 tenths difference between the fastest race lap to the next fastest, and then 18 laps from first to second in the race. That's smokin' the field!


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Posted 08 October 2014 - 12:24 PM

That's what happens when you're the only one in the field who can build their motors. Must be nice.


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Posted 08 October 2014 - 12:37 PM

That, my friends, is a spank.

 

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Posted 08 October 2014 - 01:11 PM

No offense, Jason, but that's actually a "I can do what I want, who here has got big enough gonads to protest the head guy?" caliber spank.
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Posted 08 October 2014 - 01:39 PM

I have big enough gonads to protest the head guy.

I refused to race in two races the head guy showed up at; I just went on home. Maybe if enough guys do what I did the raceway owners will ask the head guy not to show up any more.
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Posted 08 October 2014 - 01:42 PM

No offense, Jason, but that's actually a "I can do what I want, who here has got big enough gonads to protest the head guy?" caliber spank.

 
I thought it only took money to protest... Blondie could do it.
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Posted 08 October 2014 - 01:44 PM

I have big enough gonads to protest the head guy.

I refused to race in two races the head guy showed up at; I just went on home. Maybe if enough guys do what I did the raceway owners will ask the head guy not to show up any more.


Then why didn't you protest... then go home?
 
Sounds like a claimer rule would be better than a protest rule.
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Posted 08 October 2014 - 01:57 PM

Mike,

 

Do you think the motor Ron raced at the Retro Summit in the F1 class to win by 18 laps was illegal?



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Posted 08 October 2014 - 02:11 PM

Ralph,

Every clear-thinking retro racer I've had contact with, including a few of the guys at the Summit who got their noses rubbed in it, agree with the below.

In a race with spec pinions, and where anything closely related to Speed rubber is not allowed, it's not possible to be that much faster with an in-spec motor.

Not on a quirk-free Gerding track, racing against approximately 90% of the Ohio area's top racers, ones that were competitive with him, and even beat him, in the other races that day.

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Posted 08 October 2014 - 02:25 PM

So, if it's not possible for a in spec motor to be 2 tenths faster than another, do you agree that there is a problem with Pro Slot and their inspection process since that was a Pro Slot refurbed and sealed motor?



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Posted 08 October 2014 - 02:30 PM

Ralph,

I do not know what the circumstances are, of that motor having a Pro Slot seal on it, so I will not indict Dan or his crew.

All I know is two guys are having a semi-private, public conversation on FB SCRT, dancing around the Summit F1 race, referring to a bunch of others.

You should join them.

They appear to be very lonely talking to themselves. LOL.

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Posted 08 October 2014 - 02:38 PM

Either the IRRA® feels Pro Slot is doing their job or not.
 
If you feel they are doing their job and fully inspecting all motors to insure they are 100% legel, then why the continuous accusations and threads bashing and insinuating cheating?
 
If you feel they are NOT doing their job correctly, then what does the IRRA® plan on doing about this?
 
FWIW That is the same F1 car, motor, and body that finished third in the warm-up race a few weeks earlier on the same track.

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Posted 08 October 2014 - 02:51 PM

So exactly what does this have to do with IRRA®???

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Posted 08 October 2014 - 02:51 PM

Ralph, it's not that hard to take the seals off and reapply them. I'm sure he has a way to do and not be detected.
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Posted 08 October 2014 - 02:52 PM

If you fell they are NOT doing their job correctly, then what does the IRRA plan on doing about this?


Ralph,

Like I said/implied in my previous post, I don't have proof Pro Slot inspected that motor, refurbed, and resealed it.

Regardless, that motor is a BRS issue that their racers and raceways will have to deal with.

In the case of the IRRA®, the racers have solved the Puppy Dog issue.

Most have converted to the crimped Retro Hawk, an FK motor, of the type Bryan Warmack has assured us can not be cheated up, non-visually, for any performance benefit.

As you may know, the only PD run at the Sano was in the last place F1 car.

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Posted 08 October 2014 - 02:54 PM

Ralph it's not that hard to take the seals off and reapply them. I'm sure he has a way to do and not be detected.

 

Have you unsealed your Puppy Dog motors and worked on them before re-applying the seal? If so how did they run and did they pass tech?



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Posted 08 October 2014 - 02:55 PM

Didn't Hershman post a tutorial somewhere on how to tweak the FKs and not be able to detect it?
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Posted 08 October 2014 - 02:58 PM

Have you unsealed your Puppy Dog motors and worked on them before re-applying the seal? If so how did they run and did they pass tech?


LMAO. I plead the fifth.
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Posted 08 October 2014 - 03:02 PM

Didn't Hershman post a tutorial somewhere on how to tweak the fk's and not be able to detect it.

 
There was a post a while back on FB showing the downside to RH motors and how they could be worked on. Meanwhile there was a thread about working on sealed motors going on at SB, too.
 

LMAO. I plead the fifth.

 
Sounds like the pot calling the kettle black... ;)

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Posted 08 October 2014 - 03:07 PM

Ralph,

Like I said/implied in my previous post, I don't have proof Pro Slot inspected that motor, refurbed, and resealed it.

Regardless, that motor is a BRS issue that their racers and raceways will have to deal with.

In the case of the IRRA®, the racers have solved the Puppy Dog issue.

Most have converted to the crimped Retro Hawk, an FK motor, of the type Bryan Warmack has assured us can not be cheated up, non-visually, for any performance benefit.

As you may know, the only PD run at the Sano was in the last place F1 car.

 
I'm pretty sure he's already won several ORS races this year so it might be an IRRA® "problem" soon? Maybe somebody will protest to get it over with once and for all?
 
IMO there never has been a "PD" issue. RH motors are faster on most tracks (and cheaper) as you know, that's why everyone ran them at the Sano. I have no problem with that. I choose to race both motors, and I try both at each track before the race.

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Posted 08 October 2014 - 03:23 PM

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