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#76 Samiam

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Posted 10 October 2014 - 11:41 PM

There 'ya go. Zippy

 

Does that register NOW?

 

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Posted 11 October 2014 - 12:32 AM

How can a receptacle designed to have power (12 volts) applied to it be deemed dangerous?

 

The brass bolts to which you attach your alligator clips have the same level of power running through them.

 

To be dangerous, the safety plug would need to be connected to a live power point - 240 or 115 volts, or whatever you use.

 

I am not aware of a power cord that can do that. Do you have powered wall plugs adjacent to the drivers panel at your local raceway?

 

Our hand controllers have female plugs attached to them. It is IMPOSSIBLE to connect them to a wall-mounted powered power source.

 

That is why they are called "Safety Plugs". :)


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Posted 11 October 2014 - 12:57 AM

Ummmm. because those are used in ***120 volt +*** connections. Worldwide. All that would have to happen is for some goofball to plug the wrong thing into that, cause an electrocution or start a fire or do anything that would cause "loss", and it would be
 
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B) investigated by the state and federal Gov'ments and they would be on you like a ton of bricks.
 
I guess you've never looked at the cord that plugs into the back of a desktop PC, have you? 120 volt male plug goes into wall, female plug goes into the male mounted plug on the back of the PC's power supply. so while your scenario is correct you're only considering 50% of the possiblilities.
 
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Posted 11 October 2014 - 01:05 AM

Back to the subject at hand:
 
Someone has mentioned it is possible to remove the seals from motors and replace them without a trace. Over 15 years ago this was being done regularly by a motor guy I knew. He told me this while laughing about it saying, "They think this will stop tampering with the motors...hahahahahahaahahahhahaha". Whether this person is still doing this I can't say for sure but they were very upfront with me about the shenanigans they pulled in all sorts of "sealed motor" races.
 
Be aware there are ways to defeat any of these sealed motors if enough time is spent making tools/processes to accomplish the task.
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Posted 11 October 2014 - 07:35 AM

Phil,

 

That might have been true with the old foil seals. The newer heat shrink seals seem better. We'll see if any problems arise when the Pro Slot 16D replaces the Parma 501.

 

But as always, winning by cheating is not winning. The guy you speak of is a loser.

 

The FKs have only the crimped can to seal the motor. Very difficult to open without leaving marks. If some loser wants to put the effort into opening it up and performing some magic inside then so be it. I'm not worried about it. I finish mid-pack at best and trust that the guys and gals finishing above me are honest racers.

 

A lifetime ban from racing for any flagrant cheater should deter any decent racer from even thinking about it. After all, this is all for bragging rights. Hard to brag knowing you're a cheater. In the end I think there is more talk about cheating than actual cheating. I think there is more to be gained in chassis development, car set-up, and practice than in cheating up a motor. 

 

On a side note...

 

Ron, when are you coming to the USA to straighten out all our code enforcement rules?


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Posted 11 October 2014 - 07:46 AM

If I plug my hand controller into the back of my PC or electric kettle, will I receive a life threatening shock?

 

Of course I won't.

 

So how can these "safety plugs" be considered dangerous?

 

The only way I could receive a shock from using such a plug on my controller would be to have a lesbian plug connected to it and somehow connect it to a "live" power source.   :laugh2: :laugh2:

 

Please enlighten me.  :)


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Posted 11 October 2014 - 07:53 AM

You are safe, Ron. So are all the racers around the world. It is the raceway owner who has to deal with some local code enforcement crony that is in danger.

 

Talk to Doug from PJ Raceway. It took months of work and thousands of dollars to bring his new location up to code.

 

You are arguing with the wrong guys. I'll get you the number for our local code enforcement office if you want to continue this discussion. 


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Posted 11 October 2014 - 08:23 AM

I thought the term "safety plug" referred to protecting the car and controller from accidentally switching controller wires and either melting the controller or slamming the car into wall at full power. 


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Posted 11 October 2014 - 11:10 AM

I am not aware of a power cord that can do that. Do you have powered wall plugs adjacent to the drivers panel at your local raceway?

 

Our hand controllers have female plugs attached to them. It is IMPOSSIBLE to connect them to a wall-mounted powered power source.

 

That is why they are called "Safety Plugs". :)

 

Here in the land of litigation we have one or more 120v wall plugs on most every wall. Your female controller plug is not the problem. Take any computer supply cord and plug it into the 120v on wall and the female end into the male safety plug mounted on the track control panel and you now have 120v in a 12v system. Touch exposed braid on the lane that is now 120v and you may have one less paying customer.  

 

Stupid? Yes, but what doesn't kill you can make you (or more likely a lawyer) very rich in a court of law. Think of all the lottery tickets a stupid person could buy with a big settlement. What a country.

 

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Posted 11 October 2014 - 11:23 AM

Take one extension cord, one computer AC cord. Connect together and plug into Ron's track. If I recall the circuit, It should melt the glue holding the braid to the track as well as start to make charcoal of the track.

 

No personal damage to Ron or his controller... but the socket is a good way of keeping the wires separate in an private situation.


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Posted 11 October 2014 - 12:11 PM

There is a solution to the great PD sell-off. The jury is in and the RH is about a tenth faster than a good PD. To level things back out again, just mandate that a car running a RH motor has a min weight of 115 grams. Everyone is made whole again and the racing should be leveled back out...


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Posted 11 October 2014 - 12:12 PM

Cue the sound of a can of worms opening.
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Posted 11 October 2014 - 12:14 PM

Don't think so, Rick. I don't run anywhere near the minimum weight allowed anyway. Look at our reports.

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Posted 11 October 2014 - 12:39 PM

Zackly! Thank you for proving my point. That's why the 115 minimum weight limit. Average weight is probably around 108 grams.....
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Posted 11 October 2014 - 12:47 PM

Rick, face it... the PD is going into the sunset for economic reasons.

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Posted 11 October 2014 - 12:53 PM

... and have the puppy with a collar that looks like a motor seal!

 
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Posted 11 October 2014 - 01:11 PM

Rick, face it... the PD is going into the sunset for economic reasons.

 
I never thought that it was possible that an FK motor could actually overcome the motor building/refurbishing worldview.  JK came through. Other than the no weight limit, much easier to show up at SoCal main events.
 
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Posted 11 October 2014 - 01:36 PM

You are right, Mark. The left coast had it correct from the beginning...
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Posted 11 October 2014 - 02:52 PM

Thanks for the comments, guys.
 
Sorry to hijack this thread.

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Posted 11 October 2014 - 04:43 PM

Rick, nope. The TSRs and F7s were one and done in almost all cases outside of Cali.

 

Now a lot had to do with higher voltage. The variation seen the last 1-1/2 years in the PDs caused a lot by the brushes of course made guys continue to search and spend more money.


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Posted 11 October 2014 - 06:22 PM

Is what it is. Mission has been accomplished and most are happy. I just made a simple suggestion to level the field out a bit, weight has always been used in racing of all kinds to equalize things.

 

But, we wouldn't want the evil PDs to be of consideration again, now would we? :)...


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Posted 11 October 2014 - 07:34 PM

Seems I remember someone blasting me a new one when I suggested giving the F7 a weight break against the PD. :scratch_one-s_head: 


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Posted 12 October 2014 - 06:08 PM

Just thinking a bit...

 

1) Some people have a bunch of PD motors that need a "refurb."

2) Some people who like to build chassis actually like rebuilding/messing about/tuning their own motors.

 

Anyone remember Intl 15 the way it was before the "spring steel" chassis became the dominant item (come to think about it, it wasn't that long ago that we ran Zap wire and brass perimeters and tripods in Box 12/15)? 

 

So ya got a retro anglewinder class... what the heck is wrong with limiting that to worked-on PDs? IMO, the tape-sealed motor fiction should have been abandoned a long time ago.

 

Of course there's always the possibility that some devious (deviant?) mind will establish an organization for such racing who has a winding machine and a tag printer in his basement.


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Posted 12 October 2014 - 06:18 PM

The new Can-Am Plus class should include built PD motors. A lot of guys have them laying around and need to use them up.


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Posted 12 October 2014 - 06:27 PM

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