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Posted 17 November 2014 - 10:56 PM

A HO track will be in Buena Park Raceway in the beginning of 2015!

 

Also, a 5 lane tri oval HO track will be running at Big Lou Toys in Culver City!

 

We will be running monthly races at both locations.

The new Mega G+, with the can motor, will be the car raced.

 

Hope to see you at the races!!!


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Posted 18 November 2014 - 11:09 AM

Show us this car please, Mike...


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Posted 18 November 2014 - 01:04 PM

Got a part #??  What modifications will you be doing?? 


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Posted 18 November 2014 - 03:19 PM

Here are some development pic, posted on the net.
Race spec tbd, but likely hardbody stockcars, 7/23 gears, any front tires, slipon rears, any guide pin, level 52 dropin traction mags.

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Posted 18 November 2014 - 09:14 PM

What track will it be?   :)


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Posted 18 November 2014 - 09:29 PM

The track for BPR is the Big SHOt 1 track redone to fit the area next to the kingleman track,

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The track for Big Lou Toys is a new five lane banked tri oval currently in design and constriction,

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Posted 19 November 2014 - 11:40 AM

Mike, when and where are these going to be available to purchase?

 

And, what's with the circuit board?  Are they digital?


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Posted 19 November 2014 - 12:09 PM

Mike, two questions. How are you going to determine the level of the traction magnets? I just bought magnets that clam to be level 52 for my mega-g cars.  Is the a place to buy the parts for the proposed car and will the be the cars limited to 1.7 mega-g cars or can you use the 1.5 wheelbase car?

 

 Ok one more question, how will the controllers be hooked up?


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Posted 19 November 2014 - 01:01 PM

Mike, when and where are these going to be available to purchase?
 
And, what's with the circuit board?  Are they digital?


The car is suppose to be out for this hoilday season.
The circuit board is to suppress the rf noise from the motor (more goverment regulations)
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Posted 19 November 2014 - 01:18 PM

Mike, two questions. How are you going to determine the level of the traction magnets? I just bought magnets that clam to be level 52 for my mega-g cars.  Is the a place to buy the parts for the proposed car and will the be the cars limited to 1.7 mega-g cars or can you use the 1.5 wheelbase car?
 
 Ok one more question, how will the controllers be hooked up?


Gauss meter, but with level 52 mag you will notice an big improvement in grip.
Most HO performance parts are had thru mail order. That's has been the nature of the beast.
With BPR and Big Lou Toys having a track, I hope they will carry the performace parts for this car.
Most of the performace parts guys do sell to retailers.
The new car will be in 1.7 and 1.5 wb, I believe. Most of the old AFX stockcar bodies are the 1.5 wb, the new bodies are 1.7 wb.
The tracks are wired for three post hookups.
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Posted 19 November 2014 - 01:23 PM

thank you


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Posted 24 November 2014 - 08:17 PM

some more info:

 

the HO oval track stated for Big Lou's is now going to be a five lane American Orange HO layout, with a bank and a donut!

 

here are the rules for the HO racing at BPR and Big Lou's.

these are similar to what have been running in the SCHOR racing, this class has been well developed and the Tomy G+, Tomy SRT, Tyco 440 X2 are the front running cars, but that doesn't mean the other cars don't run well.

since we will be running stockcar bodies the Lifelike (Lifelike didn't have a good open wheel body) will now be competitive.

 

GENERAL RULES

 

Maximum allowable length of the entire car is 3.00 inches. Maximum allowable width is 1.3125 inches. Maximum allowable lateral front axle movement is .03125 inches.

 

Body should be a scale replica of an actual 1:1 racing or street car. The body must be painted. Except through legal openings, the body must cover the chassis when viewed from the sides and above. Any car without a body or an interfering body will not be allowed to continue to run until fixed.

 

The approved chassis for the  Hardbody class are: Tomy Mega Gs (short and long), Tyco 440-X2, Tomy Super G+, Tomy SRT, Auto World Super III, and Life-Like M and T. Bodies must be a product of the HO Slot car brands listed above. Either Indy/F1, NASCAR, or GTP bodies will be utilized depending upon chosen race format.

 

Hard Bodies cannot be lowered. They must be mounted in original position Hard bodies cannot be lightened. They must be of original factory weight

 

Indy/F1 bodies must start the race with wings.  

 

 

ALLOWABLE MODS

 

Traction magnets must remain in stock position.

 

Any double flanged rear rims, slip-on silicone rear tires. Any front tires.

 

Any rear pinion, crown gears, rear axle. Fixed gear ratio - 7/22 or 7/23.

 

Rear axle pins. 

 

Any guide pin.

 

Electrical components must be stock or stock replacement and stock appearing. Unless stock, no - double pickup springs, plated components, silver or gold components. Minimum armature pole resistance is 5.8 ohms (at room temperature). Armature maybe worked up - balance, comm cut and tied.

 

 

 

PARITY
 

TOMY MEGA G 1.5 or 1.7 - Upgraded Neo Traction magnets (level 48,50,52)

 

TOMY SRT - Upgraded Neo Traction magnets (level 48,50,52)

 

TOMY SUPER G+ - Gray Tomy or Level 10 traction magnets

 

TYCO 440-X2 - BSRT #271 or Wizzard MHP 11B Polymer Traction magnets

 

LIFE LIKE T CAR - Silicone-Sponge rear tires are allowed

 

LIFE LIKE M CAR - Silicone-Sponge rear tires are allowed

 

AUTO WORLD SUPER III - Silicone-Sponge rear tires are allowed

 

 


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Posted 24 November 2014 - 09:07 PM

Mike,

 

Are the can motors available to purchase by themselves?


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Posted 25 November 2014 - 05:11 PM

Mike,

 

Are the can motors available to purchase by themselves?

do not know, have to wait until the new car comes out for us to buy.

in the past rollers were available, and then retailers parts out the rollers for spares.


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Posted 26 November 2014 - 01:14 PM

WHY isn't there a stock class for the new BSRT car??  It's by far the best deal out of the box for a great handling and very consistent race car??  Hard body OR lexan---could be two great box stock class's!


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Posted 26 November 2014 - 05:31 PM

WHY isn't there a stock class for the new BSRT car??  It's by far the best deal out of the box for a great handling and very consistent race car??  Hard body OR lexan---could be two great box stock class's!

for sure, if there is interest, here are some rules:

 

SPEC STOCK CAR CLASS RULES

 

Legal chassis are: BSRT G3/G3R, Slottech T1/T2/T3 and Wizzard Storm. Chassis must be stock and cannot be modified in any way except to cut off molded in body posts and drill holes for axle retainers.

 

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Minimum armature pole resistance is 5.8 ohms. Armature maybe worked up - balance, comm cut and tied.

 

The electrical system must be stock or stock replacement for the car. Plated parts are not allowed unless they are stock for the car. The use of big foot brushes or twisted endbells is not allowed.

 

Any rear axle and guide pin. 7/22, 7/23 gear ratio only is allowed. The front wheels, tires and axle

may be any readily available parts. Rear may be readily available solid silicon/rubber replacement tires. Rear wheels may be readily available, double flanged replacement wheels.

 

Mass produced injection-molded hard plastic bodies only. Body must weight no less than 3.5 grams and cannot be cut in anyway. No open-wheel bodies allowed.


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Posted 04 January 2015 - 01:24 AM

Dan at Elite Tracks is working hard to get track finish for BPR!

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Posted 05 January 2015 - 10:56 PM

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Posted 06 January 2015 - 03:23 PM

Track looks good Mike.  When will you have it at BPR?  Looking forward to some HO racing! 


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Posted 06 January 2015 - 04:15 PM

Dan is putting the finishing touches on it!
I will picking it up then and get it to BPR.
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Posted 06 January 2015 - 10:58 PM

Will it be there this week end? :)


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Posted 06 January 2015 - 11:02 PM

That IS a very nice track. Thankfully he left out any squiggles. I hope it works out well and creates a thriving HO race program.


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Posted 07 January 2015 - 12:32 AM

Will it be there this week end? :)

no, plan to get track next week.

Ck Point Cup at BPR this week. all retro racing!


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Posted 25 January 2015 - 02:26 AM

Track got to BPR... after a windy drive from San Diego
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Will be getting it ready for racing in the coming weeks!
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Posted 25 January 2015 - 11:46 AM

Very nice Mike!! Now we have something to play on at BPR!! I'll have to dig out my HO cars when I come down for retro and hard body racing!! :)


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Posted 25 January 2015 - 01:21 PM

Track looks great in person as well.

Plan is to rework the white pegboard wall behind it to position the track better, hopefully next weekend.

Also the computer will be coming next week.


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Posted 25 January 2015 - 05:17 PM

It was one , heavy SOB getting it in yesterday, but a great looking track that Mike Low brought....  Great job Mike, and thanks to all that helped tote this one piece bad boy in yesterday, almost did not get in the door !!! :dash2:


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Posted 25 January 2015 - 06:26 PM

thanks for the help Mill  and everyone else too, and Debbie and Jim for making the space for it), you lifted that one end by yourself, have you been working out?


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Posted 25 January 2015 - 09:53 PM

so, planning a hardbody class and superstock class for  the HO racing program.

 

some superstock chassis choices out on the market  -

 

Viper V1:

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Slottech Thundercat T3:

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Wizzard Storm:

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BSRT G3R:

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Posted 30 January 2015 - 02:01 AM

The track has power and runable. The competer hardware is coming. The remodeling is to be done this weekend to set up the space for the track.

I will be at BPR every sat in Feb to get the HO program going.
I will help with any technical questions, car set up.
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Posted 30 January 2015 - 09:54 AM

Are we going to be able to get parts over the counter from BPR, or are you going to have them available for purchase? 

 

This is one reason why I do not race HO more often, I dislike having to mail order everything... LOL.

 

Oh, one more thing. How soon is the new Mega-G going to be available?

 

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Posted 30 January 2015 - 01:01 PM

The Mega G+ is out now, Lucky Bobs has them in complete cars and rollers.
Dan of Viper Scale Racing is trying to supply parts (he can supply his line and Wizzard parts) to BPR.
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Posted 01 February 2015 - 06:38 PM

Kick off race at BPR, Feb 21.

 

First race: Hardbodies at 1 PM, second race Superstocks at 3 PM.

 

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Max did a great job of moving the pegboard wall back, the track fits very nice next to the Kingleman.

 

Computer coming next week... and then we will be ready for racing!


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Posted 03 February 2015 - 01:35 PM

Is the track wired for normal controllers, or do we need a reverse polarity/dual polarity unit?


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Posted 03 February 2015 - 02:58 PM

Normal, I use same controller I use on the King.


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Posted 03 February 2015 - 04:24 PM

I use my Ruddock for HO Racing Foamy!! Any controller will probably work for you!  I'm heading down to Escondido Saturday for racing with Dan Cronin --at the Viper headquarters!! It will be my first exposure to HOPRA racing.  I'm also picking up a new hard body for the SCHOR racing family!! I've got a good SS car for them now eh Mike?!!   HO"s are fun--great to see a track at BPR!! I'll be making some races there too!! 


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Posted 03 February 2015 - 09:29 PM

Tim, will you be racing with Mark Mac Vittie down in San Diego ?


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Posted 03 February 2015 - 11:07 PM

OMG...LOL...the dead horse crawled over to my thread  :shok: .  

gonna have to pull my .45 and put it out of its misery  :(          image (1).jpg


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Posted 04 February 2015 - 12:13 AM

Ok. A small rant:

I don't like stock motor racing, the manufacturing variables make for uneven performance.

I don’t like it when we did it in HO and I'm not a fan of it in retro. But it is what it is!

Fortunately in HO racing where we use a stock based arm, we allow the arm to be "worked up" (balanced and comm cut), that gives a product that is very consistent.

No longer buying and trying many motors to find a good one, easier on my budget and frustration!


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Posted 04 February 2015 - 09:02 PM

Got a couple of Mega G+ today.

Disassembled the car. The motor, circuit board assembly lifts out of the top once the pickups and spring are removed.

The pickup hangers and motor are soldered to the circuit board.

 

Going to upgrade the front and rear wheels/tires, gear, axle. Also will stack in some helper magnets over the stock traction magnets.

Will run some performance comparisions with another hardbody race car.

 

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Posted 04 February 2015 - 09:04 PM

We're allowed to ADD magnets?? 


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Posted 04 February 2015 - 09:19 PM

Mike, I've got a Wizzard Strom Extreme coming in the mail. Can you give me an idea what class it woud race with a hard body?


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Posted 04 February 2015 - 09:29 PM

We're allowed to ADD magnets?? 

In general... NO.

 

The hardbody class is an unusual mix of different type of cars with different levels of performance. The class was design for beginners to race what they got without doing a lot of performance mods.

 

There are some parity allowances so the different makes of cars are equal in performance.

 

It morph into a full blown expert race class when expert racers also wanted to race the class, with the expert's tuning, the cars became quite fast.

The class has been divide into beginners and experts.

 

The previous Mega G car was allow to replace the traction magnets with lvl 50 magnets, and this will also be the case with the Mega G+.

 

I have some lvl 50 magnets that are not the same shape as the stock magnets, so for test purposes I'm going to just stack them on top.

 

 

The Mega G+ will have enough rear traction with the lvl 50 magnets. The issue with this car is the balance of the magnetic force, it is rear bias.

The pickup tuning becomes critical, getting it right with enough tension for good power but not too much so the front of the car pops out of the slot.


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Posted 04 February 2015 - 10:18 PM

Mike, I've got a Wizzard Strom Extreme coming in the mail. Can you give me an idea what class it woud race with a hard body?

In the SCHOR (hardbody) and HOPRA (box stock) world of racing the Wizzard Strom has no place as a hardbody racer.

In HOPRA Spec box stock it can be race, but no one runs this out here.

 

The racing I'm trying to start at BPR will be closely related to the SCHOR and HOPRA racing here in So Cal. No good in creating something different and be racing in a bubble.

So, hardbodies (SCHOR rules) and superstocks (SCHOR, HOPRA rules). 

 

Btw, a HOPRA superstock can compete with SCHOR superstock. Watching Tony Porcelli (HOPRA superstock) running down Ben Vasquez (SCHOR superstock) at the 1st Big SHOt race is proof of that.

 

But, the track I placed at BPR is open to any sort of HO racing, you just need enough racers to start something, talk to Debbie.


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Posted 04 February 2015 - 11:23 PM

Dan in Escondido is starting to run HOPRA rules at his and some other guys tracks! His thinking is to follow NATIONAL rules to allow racers to race similar cars across the country. So yes--there is some HOPRA racing starting in SoCal.


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Posted 05 February 2015 - 12:43 AM

Dan in Escondido is starting to run HOPRA rules at his and some other guys tracks! His thinking is to follow NATIONAL rules to allow racers to race similar cars across the country. So yes--there is some HOPRA racing starting in SoCal.

 

The superstock class in SCHOR and HOPRA differ in two major ways. One: SCHOR uses compression molded (CM) ceramic level magnet, HOPRA uses ceramic magnets.

 

The CM magnet are about 10% stronger and four times cheaper than the ceramic magnets. The results is that a CM handles a bit better, but a ceramic car's motor turns more rpm and a bit quicker on the straights.

The ceramic tractions are $24 a set compare to $6 for CM. And to get good ceramic motor magnets you need to search for them and then match them.

 

Two: HOPRA requires folded tab comms. No performance difference here either way.

 

Out here most people run CM magnet (cheaper!). But if you want to race the Nats, you want to sort out your cars with ceramic magnets


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Posted 05 February 2015 - 03:37 AM

Cracked open a Mega G+ motor

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Superstock arm (top), Mega G+ (bottom)

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Posted 05 February 2015 - 02:38 PM

Used the VRP magnet downforce meter to compare the relative downforce.

Measurement taken in gram scale mode w/o rear tires:

Mega G+ stock magnets. 7g

Tomy SG+ in hardbody tune. 15g

Viper V1 superstock CM. 25g

The lvl 50 magnets I had didn't fit in the Mega G+, so I have to wait for some that will.
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Posted 09 February 2015 - 03:33 AM

The computer is setup and counting laps/times... this means I am the current track record holder for laps and time  :good:

 

Driver's monitor coming soon.


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Posted 12 February 2015 - 12:44 PM

Well, that's one way to do it....


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