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Posted 01 December 2014 - 04:05 PM

Provided as a clarification in response to the request for one.
 
For Can-Am, GTC, Formula 1, Anglewinder, and Can-Am Plus:
 
All bodies must contain a painted (at least two colors), fully-molded, three-dimensional interior comprising a driver (helmet, shoulders, and arms), a steering wheel, and cockpit representation. An interior may be mounted in any manner as long as there is compliance with the rule of not being able to see any part of the frame from above. Interiors are to be mounted with the driver facing in the proper direction.
 
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All bodies must contain a painted (at least two colors), fully-molded, three-dimensional interior comprising a driver (helmet, shoulders, and arms), a steering wheel, and cockpit representation. The interior must be attached to the body with the driver facing in the proper direction and in compliance with not being able to see any part of the frame.

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Posted 01 December 2014 - 04:30 PM

Don't like the rule, you have just opened a can of worms. What you are saying is that people can mount their driver on the floor. Now you can have people using a flashlight looking after the race saying I can see some frame. This will cause more problems, possibly a DQ.

 

The rule should have been changed to the driver must be mounted so he or she can see the road, or the driver must be mounted a high as possible.

 

This is my opinion. I just think the car should look somewhat realistic. To me it does not look realistic if you can't see the driver.


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Posted 01 December 2014 - 04:36 PM

Pat,

 

Sit with me at the tech table. You will then see it makes diddly difference because these are inlines. If you want realistic then scream about two color interiors. 


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Posted 01 December 2014 - 04:46 PM

Racers, I really don't think it matters. 98% won't change how they mount interiors and those that do will have stupid looking cars... plus mounting the interior low which is silly and motor wires and such AND completely covering the chassis is silly. Knock yourselves out..

 

LMAO.

 

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Posted 01 December 2014 - 05:11 PM

Wouldn't you want to tape it to the body and close off that opening. Wouldn't that make more downforce?


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Posted 01 December 2014 - 05:20 PM

I'm mounting my interiors with carbon fiber thread suspended from isolater posts on the pans. That will get me in the A Main for sure! :crazy:


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Posted 01 December 2014 - 05:36 PM

If you want to see what probably caused the inquiry I think you should take a look at the recent Retro East HVR race report where certain of the podium cars had the interiors mounted to the frame rather than the body.

 

Cheers.

 

PS: That kind of mounting precludes getting a good look at the podium cars' chassis.


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Posted 01 December 2014 - 05:45 PM

"Interiors are to be mounted with the driver facing in the proper direction."

 

Has this EVER been an issue? Really? :wacko2:

 

If we're going to copy everything the podium guys do, I got to get me a Mr Pickles T-shirt and some Tootsie Pops.


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Posted 01 December 2014 - 05:45 PM

I am training a spider to weave a web to suspend the interior from the body just over the chassis

 

Top that!


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Posted 01 December 2014 - 05:58 PM


If we're going to copy everything the podium guys do, I got to get me a Mr Pickles T-shirt and some Tootsie Pops.

 

:D ... and have your wife mark the location of the car between heats

 

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Posted 01 December 2014 - 05:59 PM

 

Interiors are to be mounted with the driver facing in the proper direction.
(posted for the IRRA® BoD by Joe Neumeister)

 

 

And the right way up. :huh:

 

Could get the CoG lower if his head is down.

 

What about scale? Can you use vertically challenged drivers?

 

So many things to consider...


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Posted 01 December 2014 - 06:06 PM

I am training a spider to weave a web to suspend the interior from the body just over the chassis

 
This spider?
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Posted 01 December 2014 - 06:17 PM

The ones I paint are not very good drivers, turns out.
 
Sometimes I'll double-side tape their butt to the motor... just for spite.
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Posted 01 December 2014 - 07:10 PM

This spider?

 
Or these colorful little guys? LOL.
 
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Posted 01 December 2014 - 07:18 PM

Just to piss everybody off I have developed a mag lev system for my drivers. I love science.

 

So there. LOL.

 

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Posted 01 December 2014 - 07:36 PM

Is that the mag levitation device with the gyroscope for stability?

:huh:


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Posted 01 December 2014 - 07:47 PM

You would be surprised at what I see at tech.

Bill: it started at the Fall Brawl not HVR.

And yes, someone did mount an interior in a Stock Car backwards.

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Posted 01 December 2014 - 08:01 PM

What is the advantage of mounting an interior in backwards?

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Posted 01 December 2014 - 08:07 PM

Bud:

Obviously it's so the driver can see who is trying to pass him.  :D
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Posted 01 December 2014 - 08:07 PM

None.

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Posted 01 December 2014 - 08:25 PM

:D ... and have your wife mark the location of the car between heats
 
Cheers


no girls at the track unless there racing or marshaling. Lol. Honestly I hate interiors. I'd rather just leave the clear lexan and race like that.
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Posted 01 December 2014 - 09:05 PM

Just to piss everybody off I have developed a mag lev system for my drivers. I love science.

 

So there. LOL.

 

GVP

 

Good thing the belts hold him in place. :ambivalent:

 

Some levitating drivers complain...  "this car has no seat of the pants feel"  :angry:   

 

"I feel like I'm floating around and staying in the same place." :lol:


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Posted 01 December 2014 - 09:18 PM

What is the advantage of mounting an interior in backwards?


To keep the sun from blinding the driver!
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Posted 01 December 2014 - 10:04 PM

I just mounted my driver upside down. He is facing forward, has helmet, arms, shoulders and steering wheel. Can't see my chassi but my driver can.
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Posted 01 December 2014 - 10:27 PM

Unfortunately it doesn't say the driver's face just has to be facing forward, it's referring to the whole driver being mounted in the proper direction,which would include the top of his head being "up".

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Posted 01 December 2014 - 11:12 PM

Damit man. Lol.
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Posted 01 December 2014 - 11:46 PM

Now I'm making a mold. When I pull an interior, its gonna be no more then .001 thick. Ha-ha.
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Posted 01 December 2014 - 11:58 PM

That interior would go good with one side of Ron's bodies.



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Posted 02 December 2014 - 02:23 AM

I am assuming this derived from some Coupe interiors being mounted to the chassis? It makes sense as gets a lower center of gravity and frees up the body allowing it to work better with the chassis. If you tape them right you can achieve the same thing (hint no side tape).

 

Personally I am an interior fan. If all this is "in the spirit", then the 60's and 70's kits and cars had drivers and interiors.


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Posted 02 December 2014 - 06:52 AM

If you want realistic then scream about two color interiors. 

I agree. I had to pass cars through tech where the whole interior was painted white with a red dot on the top of the drivers head. It was two colors so I had to pass it. 


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Posted 02 December 2014 - 07:22 AM

Sucks that this even has to be discussed.

 

Because it means the hobby has become more about RACING than it is about building and pride of construction.

 

I am ashamed of everyone not willing to at least ATTEMPT to paint a realistic driver figure.

 

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Posted 02 December 2014 - 07:38 AM

Jairus, I am in your court on this one. LOL.


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Posted 02 December 2014 - 08:44 AM

The chassis I build aren't very pretty but they work. My paint jobs aren't the best but they're MINE. That's what makes Retro FUN. Heck, Santa Claus is going to drive my Can-Am this Sat in the ORS race! He won't be the best dressed Santa but he's in MY car!


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Posted 02 December 2014 - 09:55 AM

The idea is to have an presentable interior in the car that covers the chassis when looking down through the windows. On pretty much any car you can see part of the chassis if you look at it from the right angle. Who cares how it's mounted, as long as it accomplishes these goals.

 

I tried this method on a couple of cars at the Fall Brawl, and you do have to watch a few things but I think the interior stays put better this way. I feel you can actually use a bigger piece of the interior without worrying about it getting caught on the lead wire, a chassis part, etc., that can inhibit the movement, so in some ways it's actually better in the goal of a full interior. 

 

If someone wants to have a better look at the chassis construction, I'm sure if you asked, the builder would be happy to post a picture. I think most guys are proud of their handiwork.


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Posted 02 December 2014 - 11:20 AM

Jairus, your post said it all... In the West, we have to have the driver being able to see out of the front, he can not be mounted to the chassis, and at Tech you will be asked to remount the driver if he is deemed too low...
 
It is bad enough that some of the bodies presented at tech are as thin as Saran Wrap, marshals complain that they can not grab the car, but this idea of mounting the driver to the chassis, and having him view the front uprights is ridiculous...
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Posted 02 December 2014 - 11:56 AM

In the West, we have to have the driver being able to see out of the front... and at Tech you will be asked to remount the driver if he is deemed too low...


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Posted 02 December 2014 - 11:58 AM

Mill as always thanks for your opinion but you may want to check out some of the photos from "Out West" on the subject of interiors. AND, if you ever mounted one the way this was discussed you would see it is just about the same height as one that has been taped to the body. 
 
Also, the last time I checked, right here on the blog where SCRRA rules are posted, there is NOTHING about the driver being able to see out the front. If that is the case how do you do that with laid back interiors in RetroPro and Formula 1.
 
As for body thickness, we dealt with that a long time ago. You might recall the now famous "Spirit Gauge". A newer model is now used. I am sending Bryan the info on it.
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Posted 02 December 2014 - 12:01 PM

Jairus, your post said it all... In the West, we have to have the driver being able to see out of the front, he can not be mounted to the chassis, and at Tech you will be asked to remount the driver if he is deemed too low...
 
It is bad enough that some of the bodies presented at tech are as thin as Saran Wrap, marshals complain that they can not grab the car, but this idea of mounting the driver to the chassis, and having him view the front uprights is ridiculous...


Mill,

You make it sound like illegal bodies are somehow getting through tech with regularity... which is CERTAINLY not the case. A few have been noticed to be perhaps a bit too thin and commented on by racers over the past few months and the SCRRA will watch this more closely beginning with the next SCRRA race on Dec 13. John and I have been weighing many legal bodies to get a pretty good idea of their weights. If a body seems a bit too thin in tech maybe we will simply weigh it and if doesn't meet a certain minimum weight the racer will be asked to add tape to the TOP OF THE BODY until it meets the required weight.

I know BPR had several .005" bodies floating around and I think a few may have made it to the track. I know one new racer used one and he didn't know the rules. We're pretty lenient on the monthly races but a new rule governing minimum body weight might be a good idea as the actual thickness is so hard to measure. :)

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Posted 02 December 2014 - 12:05 PM

Bryan,

Check your PMs.

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Posted 02 December 2014 - 12:57 PM

Is this clarification a 'heads up' for all the interior designers? 

 

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Posted 02 December 2014 - 01:34 PM

Personally I am an interior fan.

 
And I'm thinking the best.


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Posted 02 December 2014 - 02:47 PM

A few "ham-handed" marshaling attempts take care of those "paper" bodies real quick. IMHO.


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Posted 02 December 2014 - 03:00 PM

As far as interior height goes, the SCRRA rules say that the drivers head can be no lower than the surrounding windscreen or bodywork. This is pretty generally enforced as a while back several drivers were seen mounted directly to the chassis and the racers were asked to raise them.


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Posted 02 December 2014 - 03:09 PM

Enforced at tech but not later, as when those pics above were taken? 
 
Many laid back interiors that are made and used on bodies that have higher-edged bodywork like some Ferraris cannot possibly be above that "line".
 
What about RetroPro? 
 
Now, how do you have the driver above the windscreen or bodywork on a coupe?

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Posted 02 December 2014 - 03:23 PM

Sucks that this even has to be discussed.
 
Because it means the hobby has become more about RACING than it is about building and pride of construction.
 
I am ashamed of everyone not willing to at least ATTEMPT to paint a realistic driver figure.
 
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Posted 02 December 2014 - 03:32 PM

I think the shoulder straps are not properly tightened. Very unsafe! :shok:
 
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Posted 02 December 2014 - 03:34 PM

Not worried about all that weight up high... it's about scoring big points with the concours judges.


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Posted 02 December 2014 - 04:22 PM

As far as interior height goes, the SCRRA rules say that the drivers head can be no lower than the surrounding windscreen or bodywork. This is pretty generally enforced as a while back several drivers were seen mounted directly to the chassis and the racers were asked to raise them.

 
Let's cut out the bull jive.

As Joe said, if no one is going to enforce the height mid or post-race, why bother before the race?

And the #31 yellow F1 at this LINK?

That complies?

I guess it might, but if that's the minimum standard, again, why bother?

Much to do about nothing.
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Posted 02 December 2014 - 04:40 PM

"We have to have the driver being able to see out of the front."
 
These little plastic guys can see? :laugh2:
 
Do we have to paint eyeballs on them now? :shok:
 
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Posted 02 December 2014 - 05:35 PM

Is a crappy-looking driver or one that is not mounted correctly any worse than those bodies where the exhaust pipes aren't even painted a different color than the rest of the body, like that red #4?

A lot of people don't "get" Retro. Back in the day people took pride in what their car looked like.
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