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#26 Danny Zona

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Posted 01 December 2014 - 11:12 PM

Damit man. Lol.
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Posted 01 December 2014 - 11:46 PM

Now I'm making a mold. When I pull an interior, its gonna be no more then .001 thick. Ha-ha.
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Posted 01 December 2014 - 11:58 PM

That interior would go good with one side of Ron's bodies.



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Posted 02 December 2014 - 02:23 AM

I am assuming this derived from some Coupe interiors being mounted to the chassis? It makes sense as gets a lower center of gravity and frees up the body allowing it to work better with the chassis. If you tape them right you can achieve the same thing (hint no side tape).

 

Personally I am an interior fan. If all this is "in the spirit", then the 60's and 70's kits and cars had drivers and interiors.


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Posted 02 December 2014 - 06:52 AM

If you want realistic then scream about two color interiors. 

I agree. I had to pass cars through tech where the whole interior was painted white with a red dot on the top of the drivers head. It was two colors so I had to pass it. 


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Posted 02 December 2014 - 07:22 AM

Sucks that this even has to be discussed.

 

Because it means the hobby has become more about RACING than it is about building and pride of construction.

 

I am ashamed of everyone not willing to at least ATTEMPT to paint a realistic driver figure.

 

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Posted 02 December 2014 - 07:38 AM

Jairus, I am in your court on this one. LOL.


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Posted 02 December 2014 - 08:44 AM

The chassis I build aren't very pretty but they work. My paint jobs aren't the best but they're MINE. That's what makes Retro FUN. Heck, Santa Claus is going to drive my Can-Am this Sat in the ORS race! He won't be the best dressed Santa but he's in MY car!


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Posted 02 December 2014 - 09:55 AM

The idea is to have an presentable interior in the car that covers the chassis when looking down through the windows. On pretty much any car you can see part of the chassis if you look at it from the right angle. Who cares how it's mounted, as long as it accomplishes these goals.

 

I tried this method on a couple of cars at the Fall Brawl, and you do have to watch a few things but I think the interior stays put better this way. I feel you can actually use a bigger piece of the interior without worrying about it getting caught on the lead wire, a chassis part, etc., that can inhibit the movement, so in some ways it's actually better in the goal of a full interior. 

 

If someone wants to have a better look at the chassis construction, I'm sure if you asked, the builder would be happy to post a picture. I think most guys are proud of their handiwork.


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Posted 02 December 2014 - 11:20 AM

Jairus, your post said it all... In the West, we have to have the driver being able to see out of the front, he can not be mounted to the chassis, and at Tech you will be asked to remount the driver if he is deemed too low...
 
It is bad enough that some of the bodies presented at tech are as thin as Saran Wrap, marshals complain that they can not grab the car, but this idea of mounting the driver to the chassis, and having him view the front uprights is ridiculous...
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Posted 02 December 2014 - 11:56 AM

In the West, we have to have the driver being able to see out of the front... and at Tech you will be asked to remount the driver if he is deemed too low...


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Posted 02 December 2014 - 11:58 AM

Mill as always thanks for your opinion but you may want to check out some of the photos from "Out West" on the subject of interiors. AND, if you ever mounted one the way this was discussed you would see it is just about the same height as one that has been taped to the body. 
 
Also, the last time I checked, right here on the blog where SCRRA rules are posted, there is NOTHING about the driver being able to see out the front. If that is the case how do you do that with laid back interiors in RetroPro and Formula 1.
 
As for body thickness, we dealt with that a long time ago. You might recall the now famous "Spirit Gauge". A newer model is now used. I am sending Bryan the info on it.
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Posted 02 December 2014 - 12:01 PM

Jairus, your post said it all... In the West, we have to have the driver being able to see out of the front, he can not be mounted to the chassis, and at Tech you will be asked to remount the driver if he is deemed too low...
 
It is bad enough that some of the bodies presented at tech are as thin as Saran Wrap, marshals complain that they can not grab the car, but this idea of mounting the driver to the chassis, and having him view the front uprights is ridiculous...


Mill,

You make it sound like illegal bodies are somehow getting through tech with regularity... which is CERTAINLY not the case. A few have been noticed to be perhaps a bit too thin and commented on by racers over the past few months and the SCRRA will watch this more closely beginning with the next SCRRA race on Dec 13. John and I have been weighing many legal bodies to get a pretty good idea of their weights. If a body seems a bit too thin in tech maybe we will simply weigh it and if doesn't meet a certain minimum weight the racer will be asked to add tape to the TOP OF THE BODY until it meets the required weight.

I know BPR had several .005" bodies floating around and I think a few may have made it to the track. I know one new racer used one and he didn't know the rules. We're pretty lenient on the monthly races but a new rule governing minimum body weight might be a good idea as the actual thickness is so hard to measure. :)

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Posted 02 December 2014 - 12:05 PM

Bryan,

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Posted 02 December 2014 - 12:57 PM

Is this clarification a 'heads up' for all the interior designers? 

 

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Posted 02 December 2014 - 01:34 PM

Personally I am an interior fan.

 
And I'm thinking the best.


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Posted 02 December 2014 - 02:47 PM

A few "ham-handed" marshaling attempts take care of those "paper" bodies real quick. IMHO.


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Posted 02 December 2014 - 03:00 PM

As far as interior height goes, the SCRRA rules say that the drivers head can be no lower than the surrounding windscreen or bodywork. This is pretty generally enforced as a while back several drivers were seen mounted directly to the chassis and the racers were asked to raise them.


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Posted 02 December 2014 - 03:09 PM

Enforced at tech but not later, as when those pics above were taken? 
 
Many laid back interiors that are made and used on bodies that have higher-edged bodywork like some Ferraris cannot possibly be above that "line".
 
What about RetroPro? 
 
Now, how do you have the driver above the windscreen or bodywork on a coupe?

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Posted 02 December 2014 - 03:23 PM

Sucks that this even has to be discussed.
 
Because it means the hobby has become more about RACING than it is about building and pride of construction.
 
I am ashamed of everyone not willing to at least ATTEMPT to paint a realistic driver figure.
 
:blush:


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Posted 02 December 2014 - 03:32 PM

I think the shoulder straps are not properly tightened. Very unsafe! :shok:
 
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Posted 02 December 2014 - 03:34 PM

Not worried about all that weight up high... it's about scoring big points with the concours judges.


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Posted 02 December 2014 - 04:22 PM

As far as interior height goes, the SCRRA rules say that the drivers head can be no lower than the surrounding windscreen or bodywork. This is pretty generally enforced as a while back several drivers were seen mounted directly to the chassis and the racers were asked to raise them.

 
Let's cut out the bull jive.

As Joe said, if no one is going to enforce the height mid or post-race, why bother before the race?

And the #31 yellow F1 at this LINK?

That complies?

I guess it might, but if that's the minimum standard, again, why bother?

Much to do about nothing.
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Posted 02 December 2014 - 04:40 PM

"We have to have the driver being able to see out of the front."
 
These little plastic guys can see? :laugh2:
 
Do we have to paint eyeballs on them now? :shok:
 
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Posted 02 December 2014 - 05:35 PM

Is a crappy-looking driver or one that is not mounted correctly any worse than those bodies where the exhaust pipes aren't even painted a different color than the rest of the body, like that red #4?

A lot of people don't "get" Retro. Back in the day people took pride in what their car looked like.
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