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#51 redbackspyder

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Posted 02 December 2014 - 05:40 PM

Bryan,

My comment was that some of the bodies, not a majority, but some are really thin... I have noticed it marshaling the cars, and as you and I discussed, there are ways to correct it... I am certainly not blaming anyone at the tech table, but years ago in D3, this was a significant problem with a few racers, and it was a distinct advantage...
 
I still do not think we should allow magic markered on numbers, in any case, just my opinion...
 
Thanks though guys for the tip on mounting the driver on the chassis in the coupes...
 
And Joe, since you brought it up, why do you allow bodies that are thinner than .010" to be just taped up on the SIDES? Why not make them add the weight on the top, up high, because there would be more weight up high on a legal body? Just curious...

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Posted 02 December 2014 - 06:10 PM

A typical Jairus realistic driver figure!! :laugh2: :good:


Hey, she's fairly realistic... in some silicone worlds like Hollyweird!

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Posted 02 December 2014 - 06:29 PM

Mill,

A body pulled in 10 thou Lexan will never be that on the sides. Almost all bodies though are 7 thou or a bit more unless the maker pulls those bodies in a manner that makes one side especially thin. So much so it can be 4 thou on one side and 7ish on the other.

Taping the sides to the required thickness cuts out the advantage a thin-sided body gives from flex.
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Posted 02 December 2014 - 09:02 PM

So Joe, let me understand this, the body is only thinner on the sides, that is what you are saying, so the top parts are 10 thou?

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Posted 02 December 2014 - 10:02 PM

The sheet of plastic starts out an even 10 corner to corner. But the action of heating and STRETCHING it over the mold will thin it out in spots.
Sides may or may not be stretched too much and could measure anywhere between 5 to 9 thousands.
Depends on the mold.


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Posted 02 December 2014 - 10:11 PM

Also depends how many molds you pack/squeeze on the plate.

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Posted 02 December 2014 - 10:31 PM

Right. The top sides are 10 thou. Pulling more than one body at a time cause the thinness.

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Posted 03 December 2014 - 01:11 AM

And the #31 yellow F1 at this LINK?

That complies?

I guess it might, but if that's the minimum standard, again, why bother?

Much to do about nothing.


Mike,

I think the only yellow #31 F1 I could see in the link must be mine so I'm here to defend myself  :laugh2:

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Here is the car and the helmet is well above the surrounding bodywork and does comply with our rules. I make most of my F1 drivers from cutdown Can-Am interiors and glue on a .005" Lexan strip behind the drivers head that rests on the top of the motor and keeps the whole thing up. Taped only in the front and works great for me! The minimum standard of the driver's head being no lower than the body was set to disallow people from mounting the interiors directly on the chassis... 1/2" or more below the canopy!...so, it's something.

Some of the pics posted here show cars with the bodies OFF and drivers obviously TOO low as examples of illegal drivers. When the body is mounted though, I'm sure the motor or wires raise the driver to a legal position.
 
And I agree that a lot of this little inconsequential stuff is much ado about nothing, which is why the SCRRA tries to keep its rules and enforcement as simple as possible.

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Posted 03 December 2014 - 01:26 AM

MIght as well just leave Lexan in the cockpit area, paint it flat black, and put a paper driver on it, with the new ruling. 
 
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Posted 03 December 2014 - 07:48 AM

Rick: Nope. No paper interiors allowed. LOL.
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Posted 03 December 2014 - 10:09 AM

Right. The top sides are 10 thou. Pulling more than one body at a time cause the thinness.


Kelly bodies are only pulled one at a time. Placing the mold in different locations on the plate other than centered will make the body thinner in places.

Also a longer heat cycle on Lexan will stretch it more causing a thinner body as well...
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Posted 03 December 2014 - 12:08 PM

Mike,I think the only yellow #31 F1 I could see in the link must be mine so I'm here to defend myself  :laugh2:attachicon.gifDSC05774.JPG Here is the car and the helmet is well above the surrounding bodywork and does comply with our rules. I make most of my F1 drivers from cutdown Can-Am interiors and glue on a .005" Lexan strip behind the drivers head that rests on the top of the motor and keeps the whole thing up. Taped only in the front and works great for me! The minimum standard of the driver's head being no lower than the body was set to disallow people from mounting the interiors directly on the chassis... 1/2" or more below the canopy!...so, it's something.Some of the pics posted here show cars with the bodies OFF and drivers obviously TOO low as examples of illegal drivers. When the body is mounted though, I'm sure the motor or wires raise the driver to a legal position. And I agree that a lot of this little inconsequential stuff is much ado about nothing, which is why the SCRRA tries to keep its rules and enforcement as simple as possible.


Bryan,

Like you allude to,the motor, especially with the required uncut shaft, and the lead wire really discourages mounting the interior "direct to the chassis".

It might be possible, but not practical.

The guys who didn't have their interiors mounted to their body, probably didn't have them any lower than your interior in that yellow F1 body.

Again, much ado about nothing.

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Posted 03 December 2014 - 04:09 PM

Mike is correct. Much ado about nothing. Just like most things some slot car racers bitch about. Get over it. 

 

 

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Posted 03 December 2014 - 04:12 PM

And with that let's close this up. 


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