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Posted 07 February 2015 - 09:18 PM

The IRRA®  Board of Directors wants to remind all racers that .007" thick bodies are illegal in all IRRA® classes.

All bodies except Stock Car must be vacuum-formed from .010" plastic and be .010" thick on the top and a minimum of .007" on the sides. Stock Car bodies must be vacuum-formed from .015" plastic and be .015" thick on the top and a minimum of .010" on the sides.

While several manufacturers make both .010" and .007" versions of some bodies, the .007" versions are not legal for use in IRRA® racing. Please remember it is the racer's responsibility to ensure he/she is using a legal body. The IRRA® approved body list provides the correct part number designation where two different versions are available; in all cases the suffix letter B denotes the correct body.

The current IRRA® rules permit the addition of tape to the sides to bring a thin body up to legal thickness. Some manufacturers and racers have taken advantage of this well beyond what would be considered fair to all.

[The rule change originally posted here has been revised. Click HERE to read the post giving the revised body rules.]

(posted for the IRRA® BoD by Greg Wells)


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Posted 07 February 2015 - 09:48 PM

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Posted 08 February 2015 - 07:36 AM

Very happy to see this.



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Posted 08 February 2015 - 08:33 AM

What will the tech guy do if a racer presents a car having an ".010" body with thin sides?


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Posted 08 February 2015 - 08:37 AM

Bounce him from tech.


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Posted 08 February 2015 - 08:58 AM

Can of worms?

If I come to tech with a body that is too thin on the sides but I have already used the clear packing tape to "reinforce" the sides per allowable rules, how is that different from the bounced body coming back through tech?

Definition of reinforce I see as a possible problem; how much is too much? :wacko2:
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Posted 08 February 2015 - 09:20 AM

If a 10 thou body gets bounced from tech, adding tape will not remedy the problem as per the new rule.

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Posted 08 February 2015 - 09:22 AM

Simple. The sides must be within the spec, bare, without any tape. Noose has tools to do that.

If you show up with a body completely covered with tape on the sides with no place to measure then you run the risk of "No tech for you".
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Posted 08 February 2015 - 09:23 AM

I like the rule change.

 

It may be a can of worms to police.

 

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Posted 08 February 2015 - 09:36 AM

After June 1 no tape for thickness increase.

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Posted 08 February 2015 - 12:24 PM

If bodies come from a manufacture less then .007" or .010" thick on one side what is the resolution?

  • Stop buying them?
  • More paint?
  • Ask your track owner to allow customers to open the bags and measure them before purchase?
  • Stay home and curse at the inventory that is on hand but now illegal?

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Posted 08 February 2015 - 12:37 PM

Bob,

 

Many bodies are legal from the manufacturers. Some in particular are not.

 

There is six months to use up any that people have.


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Posted 08 February 2015 - 12:43 PM

So you have found a way to force manufactures to guarantee .010" on top and sides? That's great!!

 

I hope this seeps over to the .007" bodies also. I would really like to have .007" top and sides on some of my scale bodies instead of .007 top, one side at .006", and the other at .002".

 

Doesn't Lexan have a percentage of shrinkage when it's stretched under heat like on the sides of slot car bodies?


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Posted 08 February 2015 - 12:46 PM

Joe,

 

Which ones are coming up illegal and which ones are not causing a problem?

 

A heads-up would be helpful to a racer's budget.


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Posted 08 February 2015 - 12:59 PM

Fred:,

 

You might want to take that up with other organizations.


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Posted 08 February 2015 - 01:01 PM

Bob,

 

Bodies submitted for approval were legal when submitted. We have no control of what a manufacturer does during production. Based on what has happened at tech though we did not think it fair for taping to be done any longer to reach the minimum thickness.


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Posted 08 February 2015 - 01:18 PM

Joe,

 

If the thickness is measured in tech, Is additional paint built up on a thin side the accepted remedy?


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Posted 08 February 2015 - 01:22 PM

Rules should solve problems. What problem are you guys trying to resolve? Flimsy bodies are hard to marshal and tear easily, and that penalizes the racer.

 

If they meet the thickness by adding additional reinforcement tape, what's the problem?


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Posted 08 February 2015 - 01:41 PM

A flimsy car in marshaling is also against the rules.

The bodies should meet the specs as submitted and the rules.

Paint is not going to add 3 to 4 thousandths to the sides of bodies to make them legal.


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Posted 08 February 2015 - 01:54 PM

Thanks to the IRRA® BoD for revising the body thickness rules. I think it's going to further level the playing field in IRRA®. 
 
Additionally, it will be the manufacturer's responsibility to lock down their production and quality procedures to ensure they are producing legal products.
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Posted 08 February 2015 - 05:15 PM

Joe,

Is full height stick-on Lexan 'bulletproofing' on the inside acceptable? 

Which brand/type bodies are coming to too thin so we know what not to buy?

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Posted 08 February 2015 - 05:35 PM

I wonder what body manufacturer make them too thin?

Of course that is a rhetorical question. LOLs...
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Posted 08 February 2015 - 05:38 PM

Bob,

The bulletproofing Lexan that I buy at Bill's is 0.016" thick. Feel free to go full height with that.
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Posted 08 February 2015 - 06:01 PM

.005 self adheisve Mylar ok ??????



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Posted 08 February 2015 - 06:06 PM

To answer some of the "why" and "who" questions, before the Cozine RETRO race, I was contacted by a racer who planned to, and attended, the race.

He wanted to know if I could supply him with "thin" O/S bodies, as apparently that organization doesn't have any minimum thickness requirements in their rules.

This, combined with JK having .007/"A" bodies long before there was such a thing as organized Retro racing, indicated something had to be done.

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Posted 08 February 2015 - 07:05 PM

Bob,

The answer to full-sided bullet proofing is no. I and other tech guys will just pull it back.

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Posted 09 February 2015 - 09:25 AM

Rules should solve problems. What problem are you guys trying to resolve? Flimsy bodies are hard to marshal and tear easily, and that penalizes the racer.
 
If they meet the thickness by adding additional reinforcement tape, what's the problem?

 
John, what is the point of your question? You know the objective! :spiteful:
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Posted 09 February 2015 - 10:27 AM

You know the objective! :spiteful:


Kevin,

Go read my post #25 and then elaborate on your comment.

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Posted 09 February 2015 - 10:53 AM

When tape has been the accepted method for years to bring any variation in side thickness into spec and now that method is being denied, I smell a very big RAT!

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Posted 09 February 2015 - 11:06 AM

The taping has always been a kludge and racers told us they didn't want it.

Kevin, do you feel a thin-sided body with tape "works" as well, worse, or better compared to the same body that meets the specs without the use of tape?

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Posted 09 February 2015 - 11:10 AM

When tape has been the accepted method for years to bring any variation in side thickness into spec and now that method is being denied, I smell a very big RAT!


How do we combat .007" bodies?

IOW, bodies pulled from .007", not poorly vacuformed bodies pulled from .010".

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Posted 09 February 2015 - 11:10 AM

When tape has been the accepted method for years to bring any variation in side thickness into spec and now that method is being denied, I smell a very big RAT!


When the bodies being sold don't meet the same standard as the one submitted for approval I do, too.
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Posted 09 February 2015 - 11:24 AM

I think a letter from the board should be sent to all body manufacturers about this issue. If you buy a Retro body and it's supposed to be within spec, it is assumed by the racer that it is.

Just my opinion.
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Posted 09 February 2015 - 11:43 AM

Very interesting thread.

Being pragmatic, I realize that all 0.010" thick Lexan sheet is not produced identical. I think that we can expect the Lexan to come into the body molders from 0.008" to 0.012". 

A body molded from stock that is exactly 0.010", will never measure 0.010" on top. I have purchased about seven to eight GT Coupe bodies in the last two years. They all came off the wall at Bill Pinch's store bagged and labeled as 0.010". Not one of them measure 0.010" on top.  From memory, they ranged from 0.008" to 0.0092" (or something like that). My Can-Am bodies faired better with some of them (Parma Ti22) measuring more than 0.010".

I am stating this from decades of experience on the matter.
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Posted 09 February 2015 - 11:46 AM

Try this: As the bodies enter the vendors' place, check them for the proper thickness prior to selling them to people. Return the bodies to the manufacturer with a note that the body is out of spec, and should be replaced with one that is within spec, or would that be taking the issue away from the buyer of these out of spec bodies!!???
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Posted 09 February 2015 - 12:10 PM

I don't really know Greg.

 

I do know with this rule, I can't be the only racer with a whole lot of bodies that will not be legal in the retro org that I've supported.

 

Joe suggesting we use them up before June may work in other areas, but not in this part of the country.  


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Posted 09 February 2015 - 12:12 PM

How do we combat .007" bodies?

IOW, bodies pulled from .007", not poorly vacuformed bodies pulled from .010".


Maybe we should be using the Spirit Gauge on the top of the body.

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Posted 09 February 2015 - 12:14 PM

Doc,

As part of the extended discussion among the BoD regarding this new rule, we measured many bodies: ten Ti22nn's, ten Ti22 regulars, ten BRMs, ten Matras, ten Lola GT's, and ten Cyclones. We also measured a number of painted and mounted bodies.

 

Every one of the bodies checked met the IRRA® thickness specs.

As you note, there was some variance in the thickness of the top of the bodies, but all were at least .010", with some at .011" to .012."


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Posted 09 February 2015 - 12:34 PM

Maybe we should be using the Spirit Gauge on the top of the body.


And then there would be complaints of having to bring the car to tech with the body off.

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Posted 09 February 2015 - 01:59 PM

This rule sounds great, but seems like it could become a real nightmare for the tech line. Obviously the board has particular bodies by particular manufacturers in mine that have not been within the specs, why not just pull these bodies from the approved list?

 

I hope this works out as intended and doesn't cause more problems than its hoping to fix.


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Posted 09 February 2015 - 02:02 PM

Why do you say "real nightmare"?

 

Based on past events, the vast majority of Retro racers will show up with bodies that meet IRRA® specs.


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Posted 09 February 2015 - 02:07 PM

I remember only one race where bodies were measured in the Retro East series last year, and it did cause delay and confusion for some, I just hope that won't be an issue going forward, ecspecially for the casual retro racer.


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Posted 09 February 2015 - 02:19 PM

Maybe the point was made then Adam and I have only had to measure a couple since then. 


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Posted 09 February 2015 - 02:19 PM

Every one of the bodies checked met the IRRA® thickness specs.

 
Then why the need for the new rule?
 
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Posted 09 February 2015 - 02:22 PM

Noose, with this new rule though, will all bodies be measured every time as a part of the tech process ?


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Posted 09 February 2015 - 02:29 PM

I was going to stay out of this one as I didn't really see a problem with the new rule and don't generally use the bodys in question anyways, but reading the post from Stemmy kind of changed my mind. If a racer buys an approved body then the assumption is that its made correctly and is a legal body.

If the bodys aren't made to spec then perhaps its a MFG. issue and they should bear the responsibility for the problem instead of a consumer that bought it in good faith. If bodys that are on the approved list are found to not meet legal specs and we are no longer permitted to bring them into spec with tape then perhaps that body MFG. should be informed that there is an issue and if it cannot be corrected then those bodys should be removed from the list.

 

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Posted 09 February 2015 - 02:33 PM

Adam: More than likely. I will say that based on the race this weekend I did not feel any that I felt were in need of measurement.  I had the gauge ready though.

 

Raisin: Yes you are right.  The Consumer should not be punished.  Again, I note, that when bodies were submitted for approval they met the specs which have not changed in a long time.  Thus, the production bodies should be the same as those submitted.


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Posted 09 February 2015 - 03:58 PM

If the bodys aren't made to spec then perhaps its a manufacturer issue and they should bear the responsibility for the problem instead of a consumer that bought it in good faith. If bodies that are on the approved list are found to not meet legal specs and we are no longer permitted to bring them into spec with tape then perhaps that body manufacturer should be informed that there is an issue and if it cannot be corrected then those bodies should be removed from the list.


I think the manufacturer's and most of the racers know which bodies will meet spec and which ones won't;. If you don't know just ask around.

It's real easy for the racers to remove the bodies that they know won't meet the specs

Just don't buy them.
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Posted 09 February 2015 - 04:05 PM

I for one like the idea of not adding tape to the body to thicken it up. It makes everything more consistent.  Makes it easier for a newbie and the body will last just a little longer (aside from driving through non-moveable objects).  More times than not if their is a problem with a body it is because it is not mounted correctly to begin with.  I help one of the NERR racers this past weekend who complained about his car tipping out.  I remounted the interior and opened up the wheel wells and he dropped more than a tenth.  Good move by the BOD to hold the manufactures accountable. If the product does not meet spec's racers won't be buying their products.


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Posted 09 February 2015 - 05:15 PM

I like the idea of product being held to a standard, and perhaps this will give all body producers cause to double check and make sure the product they sell consistently meets that standard.

Now if only Kelly Retros came out of the tube anywhere remotely close to the size indicated on the label...
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