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#1 IRRAź Retro Racing

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Posted 07 February 2015 - 09:18 PM

The IRRA®  Board of Directors wants to remind all racers that .007" thick bodies are illegal in all IRRA® classes.

All bodies except Stock Car must be vacuum-formed from .010" plastic and be .010" thick on the top and a minimum of .007" on the sides. Stock Car bodies must be vacuum-formed from .015" plastic and be .015" thick on the top and a minimum of .010" on the sides.

While several manufacturers make both .010" and .007" versions of some bodies, the .007" versions are not legal for use in IRRA® racing. Please remember it is the racer's responsibility to ensure he/she is using a legal body. The IRRA® approved body list provides the correct part number designation where two different versions are available; in all cases the suffix letter B denotes the correct body.

The current IRRA® rules permit the addition of tape to the sides to bring a thin body up to legal thickness. Some manufacturers and racers have taken advantage of this well beyond what would be considered fair to all.

[The rule change originally posted here has been revised. Click HERE to read the post giving the revised body rules.]

(posted for the IRRA® BoD by Greg Wells)


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Posted 07 February 2015 - 09:48 PM

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Posted 08 February 2015 - 07:36 AM

Very happy to see this.



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Posted 08 February 2015 - 08:33 AM

What will the tech guy do if a racer presents a car having an ".010" body with thin sides?


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Posted 08 February 2015 - 08:37 AM

Bounce him from tech.


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Posted 08 February 2015 - 08:58 AM

Can of worms?

If I come to tech with a body that is too thin on the sides but I have already used the clear packing tape to "reinforce" the sides per allowable rules, how is that different from the bounced body coming back through tech?

Definition of reinforce I see as a possible problem; how much is too much? :wacko2:
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Posted 08 February 2015 - 09:20 AM

If a 10 thou body gets bounced from tech, adding tape will not remedy the problem as per the new rule.
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Posted 08 February 2015 - 09:22 AM

Simple. The sides must be within the spec, bare, without any tape. Noose has tools to do that.

If you show up with a body completely covered with tape on the sides with no place to measure then you run the risk of "No tech for you".
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Posted 08 February 2015 - 09:23 AM

I like the rule change.

 

It may be a can of worms to police.

 

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Posted 08 February 2015 - 09:36 AM

After June 1 no tape for thickness increase.

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Posted 08 February 2015 - 12:24 PM

If bodies come from a manufacture less then .007" or .010" thick on one side what is the resolution?

  • Stop buying them?
  • More paint?
  • Ask your track owner to allow customers to open the bags and measure them before purchase?
  • Stay home and curse at the inventory that is on hand but now illegal?

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Posted 08 February 2015 - 12:37 PM

Bob,

 

Many bodies are legal from the manufacturers. Some in particular are not.

 

There is six months to use up any that people have.


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Posted 08 February 2015 - 12:43 PM

So you have found a way to force manufactures to guarantee .010" on top and sides? That's great!!

 

I hope this seeps over to the .007" bodies also. I would really like to have .007" top and sides on some of my scale bodies instead of .007 top, one side at .006", and the other at .002".

 

Doesn't Lexan have a percentage of shrinkage when it's stretched under heat like on the sides of slot car bodies?


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Posted 08 February 2015 - 12:46 PM

Joe,

 

Which ones are coming up illegal and which ones are not causing a problem?

 

A heads-up would be helpful to a racer's budget.


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Posted 08 February 2015 - 12:59 PM

Fred:,

 

You might want to take that up with other organizations.


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Posted 08 February 2015 - 01:01 PM

Bob,

 

Bodies submitted for approval were legal when submitted. We have no control of what a manufacturer does during production. Based on what has happened at tech though we did not think it fair for taping to be done any longer to reach the minimum thickness.


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Posted 08 February 2015 - 01:18 PM

Joe,

 

If the thickness is measured in tech, Is additional paint built up on a thin side the accepted remedy?


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Posted 08 February 2015 - 01:22 PM

Rules should solve problems. What problem are you guys trying to resolve? Flimsy bodies are hard to marshal and tear easily, and that penalizes the racer.

 

If they meet the thickness by adding additional reinforcement tape, what's the problem?


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Posted 08 February 2015 - 01:41 PM

A flimsy car in marshaling is also against the rules.

The bodies should meet the specs as submitted and the rules.

Paint is not going to add 3 to 4 thousandths to the sides of bodies to make them legal.


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Posted 08 February 2015 - 01:54 PM

Thanks to the IRRA® BoD for revising the body thickness rules. I think it's going to further level the playing field in IRRA®. 
 
Additionally, it will be the manufacturer's responsibility to lock down their production and quality procedures to ensure they are producing legal products.
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Posted 08 February 2015 - 05:15 PM

Joe,

Is full height stick-on Lexan 'bulletproofing' on the inside acceptable? 

Which brand/type bodies are coming to too thin so we know what not to buy?
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Posted 08 February 2015 - 05:35 PM

I wonder what body manufacturer make them too thin?

Of course that is a rhetorical question. LOLs...
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Posted 08 February 2015 - 05:38 PM

Bob,

The bulletproofing Lexan that I buy at Bill's is 0.016" thick. Feel free to go full height with that.
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Posted 08 February 2015 - 06:01 PM

.005 self adheisve Mylar ok ??????



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Posted 08 February 2015 - 06:06 PM

To answer some of the "why" and "who" questions, before the Cozine RETRO race, I was contacted by a racer who planned to, and attended, the race.

He wanted to know if I could supply him with "thin" O/S bodies, as apparently that organization doesn't have any minimum thickness requirements in their rules.

This, combined with JK having .007/"A" bodies long before there was such a thing as organized Retro racing, indicated something had to be done.

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