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#51 MrWeiler

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Posted 22 March 2015 - 11:55 PM

Hi Bryan, Just to clarify, are you looking more at the minimum weight of the bodies rather than achieving .010" thickness around both sides of the body?  I used Shoe Goo in the past to protect the most vulnerable areas of the body (wheel wells, etc.). It definitely adds weight but can be a little messy applying the Goo. Regarding the motor protest/teardown rule, I don't think some of us newbies know what that is or have ever seen it in writing. Any elaboration would be helpful. Thanks.

 

I do the same thing-shoe goo-and no one has ever commented, I put it all the way around the front and the top of the wheel wells on my cars. I also use body armor inside the nose and sometimes on the sides to stiffen a thin body. I am willing to sacrifice a bit of performance to have the body more crash and marshal-proof...


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Posted 22 March 2015 - 11:59 PM

Why not make the  Parma Ti22 bodies legal?

 

Especially since Parma sponsors the SCRRA's major race: the "Parma Challenge Cup".

 

Bill,

 

It's called the Parma CHECKPOINT Cup.

 

The Parma Ti22s are not legal in SCRRA racing because they are too wide, too long, and too slammed. Our philosophy has always been to place more emphasis on chassis handling rather than performance enhancing bodies.


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Posted 23 March 2015 - 12:08 AM

Did the guys who ran them recently seem to have any performance advantage?

 

Mike,

 

See post #32.



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Posted 23 March 2015 - 08:31 AM

I cannot blame the body manufacturers if they do not have orders from those that are supposed to be supplying...


And if the body manufacturers have multiple orders from distributors and raceways they can't or won't fill?


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Posted 23 March 2015 - 11:33 AM

I don't see where the newer Ti bodies are all that much faster, even on a fast King track. 

At Port Jeff, we ran Can-Am plus which is lighter weight, faster motor, and the same bodies as RetroPro, and even compared to a GT Coupe body the fast race times were less than a tenth faster. The idea that these newer Ti bodies turn everything into wing cars is a silly statement IMO. The IRRA® has done a very good job to not let body enhancements run away. 

 

IIRC, you let some guys run the Hawk Retro motors to see what would happen, but their results would not count. Why not try that with bodies like the Parma Tis and see what happens?


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Posted 24 March 2015 - 11:33 AM

I find it kinda hard to believe that if people are placing orders Ron is simply not filling them. The guy is in business to make money, right? I had a hard time getting a few bodies through my dist, so I just called Ron to see what the deal was. The dist was only ordering 3-5 of a hot body at a time! If I'm ever in a crunch, Ron is always just a phone call away and ALWAYS fills orders for the raceway in a timely manner. This is my personal experience from a raceway perspective, I realize MANY haven't had the same experience however. 

 

And before anyone accuses me of being an O/S racer, please read the signature line for the bodies I personally run. 


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Posted 24 March 2015 - 11:40 PM

I don't see where the newer Ti bodies are all that much faster, even on a fast King track. 

At Port Jeff, we ran Can-Am plus which is lighter weight, faster motor, and the same bodies as RetroPro, and even compared to a GT Coupe body the fast race times were less than a tenth faster. The idea that these newer Ti bodies turn everything into wing cars is a silly statement IMO. The IRRA® has done a very good job to not let body enhancements run away. 
 
IIRC, you let some guys run the Hawk Retro motors to see what would happen, but their results would not count. Why not try that with bodies like the Parma Tis and see what happens?

 
John,

No one made the statement that allowing these new Parma bodies would turn everything into wing cars. What I did say was that John Cukras's original philosophy of "not wanting to turn SoCal Retro into $100 wing cars" was something I was totally behind... and it meant that we would establish and draw a definite line on the bodies we found acceptable and the ones we didn't as far as downforce was concerned because we wanted mechanical performance to be more important than aero performance.
 
IIRC, and it wasn't too long ago, that the IRRA® went through a period of of body changes that was basically the preferred "Body of the Month". Each month brought a newer and longer or wider or more slammed version of the previous month. I'm not saying anything is wrong with that but the SCRRA has just simply chose to do things differently by setting a maximum standard and sticking with it. Body availability recently has thrown a little monkey wrench into things out here but I'm sure we'll get sorted out soon!
 
And yes, the new TI bodies don't seem to offer any great advantage on our fast King track YET, but I can tell you emphatically that they do offer a BIG advantage on the BPR flat track...


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Posted 24 March 2015 - 11:48 PM

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Posted 25 March 2015 - 12:03 AM

Bryan,

Body of the Month?

What the heck are you talking about?

In the 7-1/2 years of the IRRA, JK has had two Tis, Parma two Tis, and O/S four (competitive) Tis.

How does eight different competitive bodies in 90 months equate to a body a month?

And the newer ones don't have dams any deeper than the original JK Ti that was legal from day one.

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Posted 25 March 2015 - 12:17 AM

Just a HUGE difference here between the SCRRA legal TrueScale long Ti22 on the left and the Parma wide nose Ti22 on the right. Longer, wider, and slammed with much higher side dams... Both beautiful bodies and the quality on the Parma certainly rivals even Victor's great stuff... but as long as we can get the one on the left I see no reason to allow the one on the right...  :)

 

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Posted 25 March 2015 - 12:26 AM

Body of the Month?

What the heck are you talking about?

In the 7-1/2 years of the IRRA, JK has had two Tis, Parma two Tis, and O/S four (competitive) Tis.

How does eight different competitive bodies in 90 months equate to a body a month?

And the newer ones don't have dams any deeper than the original JK Ti that was legal from day one.

 
I may be wrong. I thought there was a time where a bunch of different bodies surfaced but I wasn't paying a lot of attention so I should have kept my mouth shut.
 
Sorry if I was mistaken.  :)

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Posted 25 March 2015 - 12:34 AM

Bryan,

The TrueScale body was never a well used body in the IRRA®.

Your post claimed we allowed higher and higher downforce bodies, while none of the newer ones are any more swoopy than the original JK Ti22.


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Posted 25 March 2015 - 12:46 AM

Bryan,

 

My last post was made before seeing your post #61.


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Posted 25 March 2015 - 05:30 AM

If there's no advantage on a fast King, how is there an advantage on the flat track? I'm having a hard time understanding how that is possible. Could you explain the testing that came to that conclusion?


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Posted 25 March 2015 - 06:42 AM

For what it's worth the newer version of the TS Ti22 is NOT legal in IRRA® as it was modified from the original approved version; the new one was never submitted for approval.
 
A bunch of different bodies did surface and were approved over the years for many classes and not Can-Am alone. Take into account the various classes that are run.
 
For me personally, I welcomed Parma into the mix of suppliers because the quality and most of all the SUPPLY is top notch.


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Posted 25 March 2015 - 11:38 AM

In regards to my statement about the IRRA® "Body of the Month", I seem now to recall that O/S was tinkering with extra wide side dams and different noses, some that incorporated different front strakes on several Ti22 body styles. I think I have a few that have the same part number but different noses. Maybe these never ran but I know I have some.

 

Like I said no problem, as Victor has done the same thing with his long Ti with the little nose strakes, but my point basically was that the SCRRA just chose to take a different path with the body rules by establishing a stable and FIRM upper limit on the perceived downforce by a body and set the limit at the Kirby long TI22... and told everyone to go out and build faster chassis! :)


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Posted 25 March 2015 - 11:51 AM

There was a few other bodies other then the Ti22 used too, the O/S Ferrari 612 and 712 were the hot body for 2010, and then Parma Lola T163 in 2011, in 2012 the O/S Ti22R came out, and the rest is history LOL.


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Posted 25 March 2015 - 12:05 PM

Bryan,

 

I think the key words in your statement are:

 

"perceived downforce".

 

At the power you guys run at and the current motors, do you really think the Parma Ti22s add that much downforce as compared to the TS or O/S long Kirby? Has anyone run times with the same exact car and the different bodies to draw a definitive conclusion?


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Posted 25 March 2015 - 01:01 PM

A lot of body choice is what the fast guys use, monkey see, monkey do. So if Cap would win with a Lotus 40 then next race you would see more Loti.

 

To test this theory I challenge Cap to run a Lotus 40 in the next IRRA® premier event. :shok:  :laugh2:  :victory:


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Posted 25 March 2015 - 02:03 PM

Mill...
 
Who is "Ron"?
 
Bryan and Mill...
 
Why doesn't Debbie have these bodies in stock? Why so much "drama" to keep these bodies in stock and purchase these bodies? I'd like to buy from Debbie, but was just notified that "we are trying to order O/S, but can't".  
 
Why can't we race the Parma Ti22? Please advise.

 
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Ron is Ron Hershman of O/S body fame, former board member of the IRRA®, and head Puppy Dog Refurber, AKA the DEVIL  as known to some slot racing organizations...
 
Debbie has no current order in directly with Ron... So, as I told her before the Checkpoint Cup to call Ron directly if she needed to, and at that time she did and got bodies in..
 
Bryan has answered about the Parma Ti22, and Jim Fowler has said it very well above, that you run what you have, and if you do not plan ahead, unfortunately , you get stuck with whatever is left or you go as I did and find the other sources... but don't mind me, I have been told I am crushing the hobby by obtaining bodies
 
PS: I called several racers to let them know that bodies were in on Sunday from Buena Park... Sam and Don both purchased bodies, and Max and Chuck were both there as well to get a body if they needed one. So, I tried to alert some people that bodies were now in stock.


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Posted 25 March 2015 - 02:18 PM

I find it kinda hard to believe that if people are placing orders Ron is simply not filling them. The guy is in business to make money, right? I had a hard time getting a few bodies through my dist, so I just called Ron to see what the deal was. The dist was only ordering 3-5 of a hot body at a time! If I'm ever in a crunch, Ron is always just a phone call away and ALWAYS fills orders for the raceway in a timely manner. This is my personal experience from a raceway perspective, I realize MANY haven't had the same experience however. 

 

And before anyone accuses me of being an O/S racer, please read the signature line for the bodies I personally run. 

Cap, have you joined the club to crush the entire slot racing hobby by obtaining a body now and then when you needed one ?  

I realize there is a world of difference between you and I , because they like you, but this is exactly the same thing I commented on and I was accused of single handedly bringing down slot car racing for simply ordering some bodies, which I then distributed to several racers who did not have Ti-22's, not keeping them all for myself


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Posted 25 March 2015 - 02:23 PM

Just a HUGE difference here between the SCRRA legal TrueScale long Ti22 on the left and the Parma wide nose Ti22 on the right. Longer, wider, and slammed with much higher side dams... Both beautiful bodies and the quality on the Parma certainly rivals even Victor's great stuff... but as long as we can get the one on the left I see no reason to allow the one on the right...  :)

 

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The body on the right should be sold by Harbor Freight as a sunshade for other Ti-22's.   What about that body looks normal to the guys that legally run it in other organizations....Omar the Tent Maker must be the new body approver....  Get eight of those running on the BPR Kingleman, and the knife fight in a phone booth will really become Carnage City.....  


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Posted 25 March 2015 - 02:26 PM

Mill why don't you order the bodies for the raceway since you seem to be able to secure an abundant supply?


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Posted 25 March 2015 - 02:27 PM

If there's no advantage on a fast King, how is there an advantage on the flat track? I'm having a hard time understanding how that is possible. Could you explain the testing that came to that conclusion?

Testing was done on the Buena Park Raceway flat track, and it shows up on a watch.  Tests were done with aerodynamic improvements on the bodies, and you could see that where on the flat track the aero is a marked time improvement, the same aero made no difference on the King Track... At the end of the day, when it shows up on a watch, then it is a fact, not perceived fiction


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Posted 25 March 2015 - 02:28 PM

Mill why don't you order the bodies for the raceway since you seem to be able to secure an abundant supply?

Gee, you must read my mind.....We thought of that last Sunday..... 


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Posted 25 March 2015 - 02:30 PM

A lot of body choice is what the fast guys use, monkey see, monkey do. So if Cap would win with a Lotus 40 then next race you would see more Loti.

 

To test this theory I challenge Cap to run a Lotus 40 in the next IRRA® premier event. :shok:  :laugh2:  :victory:

 

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Posted 25 March 2015 - 02:30 PM

Well good luck with that. Make sure you pay when you know they shipped.  Just sayin...


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Posted 25 March 2015 - 02:31 PM

Cap, have you joined the club to crush the entire slot racing hobby by obtaining a body now and then when you needed one ?  

I realize there is a world of difference between you and I , because they like you, but this is exactly the same thing I commented on and I was accused of single handedly bringing down slot car racing for simply ordering some bodies, which I then distributed to several racers who did not have Ti-22's, not keeping them all for myself

 

I simply posted that when I needed certain OS bodies for the raceway I work at, all I had to do was call Ron and they were delivered. Now many people have told me their dealings were different, that I have no explanation for.


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Posted 25 March 2015 - 02:31 PM

Mill and Cap must be special.

I talked to a BP racer yesterday and he told me Debbie called O/S twice without a return call.

He then called and also didn't get a call back.

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Posted 25 March 2015 - 02:41 PM

Just a HUGE difference here between the SCRRA legal TrueScale long Ti22 on the left and the Parma wide nose Ti22 on the right. Longer, wider, and slammed with much higher side dams... Both beautiful bodies and the quality on the Parma certainly rivals even Victor's great stuff... but as long as we can get the one on the left I see no reason to allow the one on the right...  :)

 

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Now is there really that much difference between these two that justifies not being able to get bodies and yet even call it the Parma Checkpoint Cup?

 

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Posted 25 March 2015 - 02:44 PM

So my namesake is the villain in all this?   :(  :(



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Posted 25 March 2015 - 02:55 PM

And isn't kind of hypocritical to  cry slammed, wide and aero when these type of Stock Car bodies like the bottom one?

 

 

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Posted 25 March 2015 - 03:01 PM

let the parma run without spoiler  :)


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Posted 25 March 2015 - 03:06 PM

Why when there is a body height and spoiler specification? I could rake the TS/OS versions to the max height.

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Posted 25 March 2015 - 03:16 PM

Testing was done on the Buena Park Raceway flat track, and it shows up on a watch.  Tests were done with aerodynamic improvements on the bodies, and you could see that where on the flat track the aero is a marked time improvement, the same aero made no difference on the King Track... At the end of the day, when it shows up on a watch, then it is a fact, not perceived fiction

So which bodies were used? I'm interested since there is a flat track race coming up this summer :D


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Posted 25 March 2015 - 03:16 PM

scrra has a max body height and then the spoiler is 1/2" above that

 

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Posted 25 March 2015 - 03:23 PM

Exact same ones as IRRA®.  Note the wording on in the rules on cutting on the trim line.  Try finding that on the OS 415L.  Thus it can be raked up to the max height allowed and you will get the aero effect.


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Posted 25 March 2015 - 03:32 PM

Testing was done on the Buena Park Raceway flat track, and it shows up on a watch.  Tests were done with aerodynamic improvements on the bodies, and you could see that where on the flat track the aero is a marked time improvement, the same aero made no difference on the King Track... At the end of the day, when it shows up on a watch, then it is a fact, not perceived fiction

 

What kind of "aerodynamic improvements" were made to a body to get the results you say on the flat track?  What could be done that would still be legal?  Why wouldn't the body and lap time test be done with just a normally prepared body?


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Posted 25 March 2015 - 03:52 PM

Bryan,

 

I think the key words in your statement are:

 

"perceived downforce".

 

At the power you guys run at and the current motors, do you really think the Parma Ti22s add that much downforce as compared to the TS or O/S long Kirby? Has anyone run times with the same exact car and the different bodies to draw a definitive conclusion?

   Joe,

      I say "perceived downforce" because in the the few tests I've done on our super fast Gerding King track going from one body to another really doesn't show up on the clock.......but that doesn't necessarily mean one body doesn't actually have more downforce than another.  Several years ago I made a pretty crude makeshift little windtunnel from some plywood, a controlled air gun and a Harbor Freight gram scale to see if I could register any downforce from the different bodies and it actually worked!  It was also surprisingly REPEATABLE and seemed to be pretty acccurate.  The Truescale Lola and Ferrari were a little less than the Truescale TI's which were a little less than the JK and O/S TI's. I'm sure the Parma's would be comparable to the JK and O/S with the longer one perhaps a bit more. I couldn't find any pictures of it but the most important thing was keeping the gram scale secure and keeping a precise air flow over the body. The numbers here aren't EXACT but pretty close. The main thing was that there were no surprises........if a body looked like it would have more downforce it did.  The F1 bodies registered hardly anything.

 

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     I did several body tests on both the King and flat track out here and like I said nothing to really choose from between say a Truescale Lola and a JK TI on the King track............BUT..... on the flat track the difference is HUGE.  The extra downforce seems to be negated on the hi speed banked turns of the King track but shows up on a watch on the flat track.

 

     More on what I found out tonight............



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Posted 25 March 2015 - 03:58 PM

Someone please explain to the masses on how you (mostly Mill) screams support the raceway and calls for as many racers to come to a race as possible (which is good of course) yet a really silly body rule that limits the supply to the raceways and the racers prohibits both of those from happening. 

 

Just does not make sense to me as a businessman.


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Posted 25 March 2015 - 04:02 PM

Proof!!!

 

Let the Parma run with no spoiler, the TS24 and OS415L with 1/4" spoiler, and everything else 1/2" spoiler and all bodies should be pretty equal.


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Posted 25 March 2015 - 04:03 PM

Bryan,

 

Would you test the Lotus 40 body in your wind tunnel? Cap needs to know the results. :) :good:  


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Posted 25 March 2015 - 04:09 PM

Bryan:

 

The Ti bodies from JK and O/S probably had the front strakes on the leading edge of the front fenders, and that may have generated the extra downforce you have seen. I notice a marked difference in front downforce between the regular Parma Ti and the narrow nose version. I have one chassis in particular that has to be run with the wide nose otherwise the front end tips out... with the wide nose it stays planted.

 

It would be interesting for you to repeat this test with the narrow nose Parma Ti and the new "improved" TrueScale version. My bet is that the numbers will not be as far apart as you might think.

 

Maybe what NorCal does with adjusting spoiler heights would be something to consider. Jim Fowler seems to have taken great pains to try and equalize the bodies through testing, and it seems the tracks there are usually shorter ones that would be closer to your flat track. 


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Posted 25 March 2015 - 04:45 PM

Bill,

 

Do any Lotus 40 bodies fit a 4" wheelbase? If so I'll run one at the next ORS race I attend!


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Posted 25 March 2015 - 04:58 PM

RoRo... yes they do, and I have a body I can send you already painted if you can handle orange.
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Posted 25 March 2015 - 05:24 PM

Cap,

The Lotus 40 was the body back in the day!


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Posted 25 March 2015 - 06:21 PM

Cap,

The Lotus 40 was the body back in the day!

Cap's daddy wasn't even a gleam in his grand daddy's eye back in the day. :D


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Posted 25 March 2015 - 06:45 PM

 

I simply posted that when I needed certain OS bodies for the raceway I work at, all I had to do was call Ron and they were delivered. Now many people have told me their dealings were different, that I have no explanation for.

Cap, I am with you 100 %.  I have never had bad service from Victor or Ron, and I respect them both for providing bodies for our hobby.


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Posted 25 March 2015 - 06:46 PM

I'll paint my own, who sells the fastest one? Lol

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Posted 25 March 2015 - 06:46 PM

So Mill, why doesn't Ron call back Debbie?

Any theories?

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