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Posted 24 March 2015 - 04:38 PM

Along with no seals I think we should adopt a no otter policy as well.


How about no beavers, too?


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Posted 24 March 2015 - 04:41 PM

A little beaver never hurt anyone...


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Posted 24 March 2015 - 06:06 PM

Only when they bite your nipple off....


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Posted 24 March 2015 - 06:14 PM

John, it will take a considerable commitment on your part, but there are therapists that can help you. They specialize in "Beavernipaphobia"


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Posted 24 March 2015 - 06:27 PM

That's it! I've had enough! I'm starting my own organization... the IRR... Eh?
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Posted 24 March 2015 - 08:09 PM

Miscellaneous items.

 

Question 1:  Of ALL the guys who used to love to play with motors, none have come back to race Retro?

Question 2:  Of ALL the guys who presently run Retro, none want to try playing around with motors?

 

There must be a boatload of orphaned Puppy Dogs out there that could easily be put to use racing in a tinkerer's PD class if only the already-proven-damned-near-useless "seal" was consigned to the dust bin.

 

Question 3:  Was Can-Am Plus created so guys could play with pillow blocks?  Or was it for not-very-scale bodies?


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Posted 24 March 2015 - 11:37 PM

Pete, well said. The seal is and has been a joke for a long long time. But Rocky said it best..........God rest his soul.


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Posted 25 March 2015 - 05:38 AM

If there are so many guys who want to play with motors out there, why isn't there a bigger push for RetroPro? 
 
RETRO now has a class where PD motor seals are optional, so it will be interesting to see if all the "motor builders" flock to that class. 

That should answer quaestions 1 and 2 for you, Pete.
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Posted 25 March 2015 - 05:59 AM

I think the question might be looking through the wrong end of the telescope. Sure, there're motor builders in Retro, some builders having migrated over, some Retro'ers lusting for winding and comming and such. The thing is, a LOT of guys are happy with status quo, or at least with an ongoing discussion that arrives at a consensus.
 
It ain't an ideal system to have laws or rules swung by one or two fellows' preferences; at best, laws protect the individual while benefiting the larger group. Right? We don't all don blankets and shout from street corners because this or that one guy knows what's best. Usually it's the worst that happens when that guy starts swinging the group by the tail.
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Posted 25 March 2015 - 06:37 AM

Question 3: Was Can-Am Plus created so guys could play with pillow blocks? Or was it for not-very-scale bodies?

 
Neither. It was created off a foundation of "what if" the anglewinder never appeared and we maintained inline cars with the other progression that took place. All of this was said when the class was announced.

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Posted 25 March 2015 - 08:42 AM

If I never see the inside of a slot car motor again it will be too soon!!
 
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Posted 25 March 2015 - 09:27 AM

Neither. It was created off a foundation of "what if" the anglewinder never appeared and we maintained inline cars with the other progression that took place. All of this was said when the class was announced.

 
The original question was phrased for debate purposes.  After all, the progressions of which you speak included pillow block rear axle configurations and higher downforce bodies.

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Posted 25 March 2015 - 09:38 AM

I think the question might be looking through the wrong end of the telescope. Sure, there're motor builders in Retro, some builders having migrated over, some Retro'ers lusting for winding and comming and such. The thing is, a LOT of guys are happy with status quo, or at least with an ongoing discussion that arrives at a consensus.
 
It ain't an ideal system to have laws or rules swung by one or two fellows' preferences; at best, laws protect the individual while benefiting the larger group. Right? We don't all don blankets and shout from street corners because this or that one guy knows what's best. Usually it's the worst that happens when that guy starts swinging the group by the tail.

 

I agree completely with your statements regarding the dangers of a dictatorship.  IRRA is fortunate to have an oligarchy of benevolent and open-minded fellows.  I have my telescope in proper operating position, I assure you.

 

I am not advocating for motor construction from scratch,  Rather, I propose that an already discredited (many times over many years) procedure be done away with for a specific motor that many of us own in bulk.


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Posted 25 March 2015 - 09:40 AM

If I never see the inside of a slot car motor again it will be too soon!!
 
Cheers,

 

Duly noted and you are probably in good company.


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Posted 25 March 2015 - 10:00 AM

If there are so many guys who want to play with motors out there, why isn't there a bigger push for RetroPro? 
 
RETRO now has a class where PD motor seals are optional, so it will be interesting to see if all the "motor builders" flock to that class. 

That should answer quaestions 1 and 2 for you, Pete.

 

Excellent question, John.  I have no answer for it.  Personally, been there before there was a class for it, found the x12 arm was not a viable choice for a brass and wire chassis with a scale body (at least anything I was capable of building).  I did find out that the motor made a semi-competitive wing car.

 

Given the parties involved, the RETRO situation smacks of some kind of shenanigans.  I have no idea what, but past experience says it's something more than it seems.


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Posted 25 March 2015 - 10:09 AM

In general, all I'm saying is that refurbing your own motor should be allowed.

 

Is that opening a can of worms? I respectfully submit that the can was opened and the worms escaped a long time ago.


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Posted 25 March 2015 - 10:36 AM

My experience has been, if something is working leave it alone.

 

I remember a politician once saying "We live in the greatest nation in the world, I hope you all will join me as we change it". Look what happened.


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Posted 25 March 2015 - 10:38 AM

Pete, run RetroPro then as John said earlier. You are only limited to a Big Dog or X12 arm. 

 

Otherwise no working on motors in IRRA®.


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Posted 25 March 2015 - 10:45 AM

In general, all I'm saying is that refurbing your own motor should be allowed.


For what overwhelming reason "should" refurbing your own motor be allowed in IRRA® racing, Pete? As you know, "no working on motors" was a founding principle.

Second question...

If IRRA® racing continues to experience great turn-outs and an insane "tightness" of competition as tabulated HERE and demonstrated HERE, why should anything in the rules be changed? 
 


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Posted 25 March 2015 - 10:53 AM

If you can work on motors in Retro, I say lets change flexi rules so I build my own chassis. LOL...


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Posted 25 March 2015 - 11:19 AM

Seems to me that the "Worms escaped" premise, while certainly true as far as that goes, is not a good reason for change.

Sure, guys have got past the seal, and sure, cheats have appeared at races. So, "Well, since we can't keep those couple-five guys from doing it their way, we might as well let everybody have the same chance - "

 

Hm. I'm wondering how well it's worked for some nations in recent events, where a small force has so disrupted the system that the peacekeeping entities just laid down their arms and walked off.

It's an extreme example, but the point is that a rule of law exists to serve a majority within certain agreed-upon limits despite the occasional transgression. You draw the line, most live comfortably within it; sure, there'll still be blood spilled, but ideally less blood.


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Posted 25 March 2015 - 11:48 AM

I have proposed this 'Motor Builder' class before:  

 

Built PDs in the IRRA Anglewinder car. Allow .790"s. We can run it after Jail Door at Premier events. Just leave your Sunday mornings open and bring sleeping bags. :)   


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Posted 25 March 2015 - 12:06 PM

Sam, run Retro Pro.

 

It's not changing. 


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Posted 25 March 2015 - 12:19 PM

If I never see the inside of a slot car motor again it will be too soon!!
 
Cheers,

 

 How Bizarre   :wacko2:

 

Maybe you could put tape over your holes.

 

The top one anyway. Better check with the officials on the bottom one. 


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Posted 25 March 2015 - 12:39 PM

Bob, you should put tape over the hole beneath your nose! :shok:

 

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