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#1 Bryan Warmack

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Posted 13 April 2015 - 12:26 AM

As most BPR racers know the usual format for qualifying for all the SCRRA Retro races is based on the fastest single timed lap determining the starting positions in the races of the day. Lately many racers have voiced concerns over the emphasis placed on single lap qualifying in setting the six A Main positions and suggested perhaps other formats to allow "racing in" other than timed laps to determine the A Main positions. At the Zimmerman in two weeks the SCRRA will try something just a little different to mix things up and to satisfy both the "timed lap" guys and the ones who favor a "race in" format.

 

The qualifying will be as usual and the only changes will be that only the top four qualifiers will be guaranteed spots in the A Main and the following seven will now constitute the B Main. All the other Mains will be seeded as normal depending on the number of racers. As usual two racers will move up from the C Main to the B Main but the B Main will now be a nine-man round robin with the top four now moving to the A Main with the five racers not making the move-up available as the necessary turn marshalls.  

 

So... simply put, the top four qualifiers will make the A Main with four move-ups "racing in" from the B Main to fill the eight A Main event positions.

 

This seems like a pretty good compromise with a 50/50 split and most of the racers agree and it only adds an additional ten minutes to the day's proceedings.

 

Also, don't forget that all cars for this event must be brought to the tech table with the body OFF to allow a pre-race motor and body inspection.  

 

More to follow tomorrow...  :)


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Posted 13 April 2015 - 10:58 AM

Why not use the Worlds racing format?

That way the on A Main making whiners will feel like they have a chance.

Can we blame this on Mill, too?


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Posted 13 April 2015 - 11:28 AM

Wow, it didn't take long for me to get blamed for this one, so my shoulders are big, go ahead, blame me! :bb:  :wizard:  :help:


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Posted 13 April 2015 - 11:38 AM

OK, Mill, you're to blame.  :aggressive:  :tease:


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Posted 13 April 2015 - 11:56 AM

Yeah, Mill, if it wasn't for you BP Retro would be a happy Kumbayah-fest! :D  They'd all be sitting around the campfire, in the parking lot, holding hands and singing folk songs!

 

You're to blame for this not happening. :laugh2:


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Posted 13 April 2015 - 12:25 PM

When in doubt blame, Mill!! LOL. JK, JK.

 

This should be interesting to see happen.


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Posted 13 April 2015 - 01:51 PM

Damnit, Mill! Look what you've caused! You ruined qualifying for everyone!


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Posted 13 April 2015 - 03:09 PM

Mill: Designated Scapegoat/Whipping Boy (New SCRRA position).  :shok:

 

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Posted 13 April 2015 - 07:58 PM

Sounds like a FUN different format!!! Just wait for the NEW whiners!!! No matter WHAT – someone won't like it!!   :)  

 

But hey, good job "stirring the pot", Mill!! :)


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Posted 13 April 2015 - 08:10 PM

At least you guys still qualify.
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Posted 13 April 2015 - 09:01 PM

Well, it will be interesting watching qualifying for the Zimmerman. You guys will be just fine.

 

See ya in two weeks.


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Posted 13 April 2015 - 09:25 PM

I think it's a good way to make almost everyone happy. Those who like timed qualifying still get your shot. You just gotta step up now to make the top four. Those that like laps and sections get your shot also. Stay on and go fast enough to place the top four.  

 

End result get that hair lap or stay on and make laps during the B.

 

Then the winner in the A has to do both! Go fast and stay on. :D


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Posted 13 April 2015 - 10:10 PM

Gentlemen,

 

It all sounds good... confusing, but good... I think... maybe... not sure...

 

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Posted 13 April 2015 - 10:13 PM

Yeah, I'm not sure you think either, John!!  :shok:  :laugh2:  :victory:


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Posted 13 April 2015 - 10:59 PM

It all sounds good... confusing, but good... I think... maybe... not sure...

 

John,

       

 

It's almost EXACTLY what we have ALWAYS been doing except instead of the usual six racers automatically making the A Main based on timed laps now only four will be in. And, in the B Main, instead of the usual two move-ups, we will now have four to fill out the eight-man A Main.

 

It just takes a bit of emphasis off the one timed lap format and places a bit more emphasis on "racing in" and allows more racers a chance to get into the Main Event.

 

We'll see how it works out and if the racers don't like it we'll go back to the old format but personally I just can't see how the majority of the racers would reject a format that enabled them a much better chance of making it into the A Main.  :)



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Posted 13 April 2015 - 11:00 PM

Well, I wouldn't worry too much about John. If he gets his hands on a good ride, he'll qualify pretty damn well.

 

This is gonna be a mighty good race I'm thinking. Will be some very fast guys at this event.


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Posted 13 April 2015 - 11:14 PM

    If memory serves me well, John recently has been just about the best at moving up through the pack!  :good:



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Posted 14 April 2015 - 12:00 AM

I want to see the peasants with torches! 

 

Our local racing organization doesn't usually have over 20 in a class so we aren't dealing with the same problems you guys are. I've always though a system where nobody makes a Main with out having to make a move-up is the fairest. I prefer a different system but California outlawed dueling a long time ago. 

 

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Posted 14 April 2015 - 12:18 AM

A bit more explanation here on the tech inspection changes at the Zimmerman "Festival of Speed."  

 

As mentioned previously, at this event, all cars must be brought to the tech table with their bodies off to facilitate a simple pre race motor inspection and also to weigh any body that may be considered too thin.

 

The Can-Am body situation and shortage at BPR seems to be a thing of the past with the recent supply of many of the preferred and legal TrueScale and Outisight bodies but we will still be checking for the lightweight bodies and a minimum weight of 5.5 grams will be enforced. I've never had much luck moving pictures around so for an explanation of this, with pictures, please see Retro Can-Am body situation at BPR, post #14. 

 

The body removal for motor inspection will be for Can-Am and F1 only and not RetroPro. Can-Am will be the only class with the body weights checked.


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Posted 14 April 2015 - 09:26 AM

Now if your 12th you get to race 3 times to make the A main for fun 1 more race ;)

 

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Bryan we doing this for Retro Pro also????

 

Or how about Total Laps for R/P  1 and Done



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Posted 14 April 2015 - 11:17 AM

Jason, isn't Retro Pro decided by which car is still running, not total laps?

 

 

So let me get this straight...

If Duran has a bad day qualifying and is only fifth and he's in the B, I could legitimately say I raced Duran at the Zimmerman, that would be cool.

Oh wait... I'd have to qualify no lower than 11th, or move up a race or two (or more) for that to happen.

Hmmm, just disregard this part of my post, worked late last night, need some Mt Dew to fully wake up.


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Posted 14 April 2015 - 11:38 AM

Duran should always run from the last position, he needs a challenge ;)
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Posted 14 April 2015 - 11:58 AM

I think we should just draw pills seat 4 to each main move up 4 no Qualifying just race :)

 

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Posted 14 April 2015 - 04:36 PM

Gentlemen, it shall be a "hootenany" [sp/syntax]  of a time.....I can't wait for the "action" of the race and good times for all.....John Hegedus 


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Posted 16 April 2015 - 01:58 PM

Gentlemen, there's some race out there wherein the fastest qualifiers are placed at the "back of the pack" to start the race...I think its some NASCAR all star race....thinking along those lines, I think the fastest 4 qualifiers should start in the last lettered main, with the last four lane choices!!!!!!  Heh Heh 


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Posted 16 April 2015 - 02:59 PM

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Posted 16 April 2015 - 03:11 PM

Gentlemen, there's some race out there wherein the fastest qualifiers are placed at the "back of the pack" to start the race...I think its some NASCAR all star race....thinking along those lines, I think the fastest 4 qualifiers should start in the last lettered main, with the last four lane choices!!!!!!  Heh Heh 

That would just prolong the agony, of seeing the fast four move up through the carnage.....   Also, by that time their motors would have fully come in....


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Posted 16 April 2015 - 03:40 PM

Gentlemen, there's some race out there wherein the fastest qualifiers are placed at the "back of the pack" to start the race...I think its some NASCAR all star race....thinking along those lines, I think the fastest 4 qualifiers should start in the last lettered main, with the last four lane choices!!!!!!  Heh Heh 

 

In Sprint Car racing they always invert the field...Fast guy start at the back!


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Posted 16 April 2015 - 11:45 PM

Now if your 12th you get to race 3 times to make the A main for fun 1 more race ;)

 

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Bryan we doing this for Retro Pro also????

 

Or how about Total Laps for R/P  1 and Done

   

  Jason,

      Since Retro Pro is a completely different animal than Retro with an emphasis on speed and qualifying with a little motor building thrown in, maybe the RP racers want to keep the 6 in and 2 move up format. We'll see what the RP guys say the day of the race after we run the Can Am and F1 and see how this different format works.

 

     Also, I remember times that there weren't hardly 4 cars running at the end of the B Main RP race to make the move up!  :laugh2:



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Posted 17 April 2015 - 11:29 AM

Jason, if you remember at the Checkpoint Cup, I had to ask four different people if they would be willing to make the move up to the A Main....


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Posted 17 April 2015 - 11:39 AM

That's why I said 2 mains Total laps to win 1 and done no move ups

 

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Posted 17 April 2015 - 02:50 PM

No one should ever get seeded into the A Main from one great lap. Everyone should race in. Top 8 to heats etc and THEN top 8 lap totals, overall, make the A. The wise ones in the 60's saw this system as flawed and changed the system to consi/semi/main......


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Posted 17 April 2015 - 03:40 PM

Agreed, but as guys get older, everyone wants to be done ASAP.

When I raced Pro, we were used to racing into the morning.

Now, no one wants to do that, or only run one race in a day for a monthly event.

They don't like racing beyond 8pm. Lol
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Posted 17 April 2015 - 03:42 PM

Us old guys need our sleep! :)

 

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Posted 17 April 2015 - 11:13 PM

That's why I said 2 mains Total laps to win 1 and done no move ups

 

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      All things considered I think this is a great idea for Retro Pro. If we're trying something different let's see what the RP racers think next Sunday.  Qualify as normal and let the total laps from the Mains determine final positions. We just need to keep track of each racers sections precisely but that is no problem as we have done it before..........See you next weekend!


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Posted 18 April 2015 - 12:34 AM

With 8 man MAINS and top 8 moving to the A Main is more efficient time wise. Using 48 entries,   6 with 2 move ups = 8 races. With 8 man heats and then 8 man A Main you only race 7 races. Saves an hour on the day..............


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Posted 23 April 2015 - 10:59 AM

Does anyone know what the track cleaning and glue schedule will be.  Saturday moring or Friday night ?? !


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Posted 23 April 2015 - 03:56 PM

Does anyone know what the track cleaning and glue schedule will be.  Saturday moring or Friday night ?? !

 

 

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Posted 24 April 2015 - 11:27 AM

 Fresh glue, awful hard on motors.  Juz sayin.


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Posted 25 April 2015 - 08:44 AM

Mark, why don't you call Buena Park and ask....We have been doing the same thing over and over for years....They clean the track after Friday night, and spray glue it in the morning on Saturday, to my knowledge....We were there last night, so it was to be cleaned and then re glued today.....

 

Mark, I know that you only race occasionally at the bigger SCRRA races, but this procedure has been around a long time...We do not want to over stick the track, and if it is glued lightly and needs a little more, much easier to put down a little more than to take it up.


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Posted 25 April 2015 - 04:31 PM

Who TQED Laps & Sections?


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Posted 25 April 2015 - 08:12 PM

Ben C jr. 3.80 4 to the A main 4 move up from the B Duran wins with 347 he also won the B with 340

 

 

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Bryan will have more later


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Posted 25 April 2015 - 10:42 PM

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Posted 25 April 2015 - 11:00 PM

Mark, why don't you call Buena Park and ask....We have been doing the same thing over and over for years....They clean the track after Friday night, and spray glue it in the morning on Saturday, to my knowledge....We were there last night, so it was to be cleaned and then re glued today.....

 

Mark, I know that you only race occasionally at the bigger SCRRA races, but this procedure has been around a long time...We do not want to over stick the track, and if it is glued lightly and needs a little more, much easier to put down a little more than to take it up.

 

Mill, since you're in the know,  I'd ask you instead of possibly several racers calling  the track asking the same questions.  I thought track conditions today were excellent.  Even Black lane was much better.


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Posted 25 April 2015 - 11:54 PM

   SUPER run today by John to take a well deserved 3rd!!  Congrats Duran Trujillo coming from the B Main for the victory and Congrats Ben Cervantes Jr. on a Qualifying Record of 3.80 and 2nd in the A Main.   F1 and Retro Pro tomorrow.


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Posted 26 April 2015 - 08:33 AM

A well paced Can-Am race yesterday. We were done with the "A" main at 4:30pm! I believe we had 32 entries. Fun fast day. And thanks to Bryan for the loaner. Good handling and fast car, just a rusty driver. Much fun.


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Posted 26 April 2015 - 10:16 AM

I'll have to 2nd that.  Nice to see everyone and chit chat even while turn marshalling. :D

I left early to get home at a decent hour.    Congrats to Dennis on his win and Earl for concourse. :good:

 

Congrats to Max for 1st in the bottom main and Tim for a good fight for 3rd.  Lucas is coming right along. :)


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Posted 26 April 2015 - 04:37 PM

Thanks for making the drive down yesterday Mark and racing with us.  The bottom Main race rocks!  Some very fast qualifying times yesterday including Craig Correia and Mark Franco who I believe set their personal best times in Can Am qualifying.  :good:


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Posted 26 April 2015 - 05:19 PM

I think everyone is going a little faster now with the Retro Hawk, Tim.  I even ran a faster qualfying lap than before.   Track conditions were excellent.


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Posted 26 April 2015 - 08:25 PM

Heh, Tim, you kicked my butt with my old car! How dare you! Really Tim, your driving and staying focused on the race has really, really helped you a LOT! You are doing so dang good. Not to mention, you probably have the the best pit person going. 

She is so cool at helping you during the races. Nice to see old Orange going strong.


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