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#51 Michael Jr.

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Posted 25 April 2015 - 07:43 AM

Tony, that is interesting in the most literal sense.
I'm not sure the scale would be so dominant where I am but it might be worth trying to develop it as a class. Eventually I'll need a flat track, this class would certainly make a flat track worthwhile.

Moving from speed contests which gave birth to wing Cars to true scale focused on appearance is an interesting shift. As an owner/operator it's a challenge to remain diversified enough to catch trends in both directions.

So the true scale hold up with a lot of damage? I've broken the ones I've tried to race in my hillclimb. I would never try to race them on the Kings discussed in this thread.

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Posted 25 April 2015 - 10:37 PM

Michael, as a former wing and flexi car racer i am enjoying racing true scale cars more as i have always preferred racing on flat tracks rather than banked tracks and the cars look like more like race cars.We run 1/24 hard body cars at 10 volts on the flat black track and damage in an accident is minimal.The 1/32 cars run at 12 volts and again accident damage is minimal. We never race anything else on the King apart from flexis and wing cars. All true scale racing is done on the two flat tracks .


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Posted 28 April 2015 - 05:14 PM

Michael,

 

If you have the space available, go with the standard King. Pinched Kings were designed to be a space saver for narrow buildings. The deadman is over the main straight, which leads to visibility problems!!! 

 

Most people in the southeast like stamped steel chassis and NASCAR type bodies, and seem unable or unwilling to go any further than that. Some do like FCRs, not for their speed, but their ability to utilize hardbody styles. Ovals appeal to many... hope yours is doing well: don't expand too fast.

 

If you really want the Nats, decide which you want, Div 1 or 2, but you will have to have a King for either. There has not been a Nats without a king since 1990, and that was on a Purple Mile, which is a King with an extra finger and a wacked-out donut.

 

There are two former track owners in Atlanta who can tell you about their experience hosting the Nats, as well as one who may still be in Anderson.


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Posted 28 April 2015 - 05:41 PM

Macman, excellent commentary and in line with what I'm thinking regarding the King.
My oval is gaining a following. I'm working the classes and races pretty close to make the best use of it.
As far as the true scale....I'll have to see. Can't do both at once.

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Posted 28 April 2015 - 06:13 PM

I'm pretty sure their have been a few div 2 nats that were not held on a king. I know in 2007 for sure they were not on a king. This years nats were at Speed Zone NJ and were on the englemen or Jersey devil.
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Posted 28 April 2015 - 10:06 PM

I absolutely love an Engleman but recognize the historicity of running on a King.


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Posted 20 May 2015 - 04:28 PM

I'd pinch a Queen maybe, but never a King... and so it goes...


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Posted 20 May 2015 - 05:20 PM

In certain areas .. 'pinch' someone doesn't mean you're trying to wake him or her from a dream.  


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Posted 21 May 2015 - 05:01 PM

True scale racing takes a lot more work to get going. Even though those are the cars I enjoy racing the most, Slot.it and Scaleauto I would not suggest you go in that direction until you get the rest established. Expand too fast and you'll be out of business in a year.


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Posted 21 May 2015 - 06:52 PM

Agreed. Interestingly I was just talking to my guys here at the track about true scale racing. It's not an active plan that I'm working but I'm keeping it in the back of my mind for a long range plan.

Drag is next up. Then the King. I'll sit on that for a year most likely.

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Posted 22 May 2015 - 11:16 AM

The main thing is a flat track with some type of safer barrier. Then you'll need to do a lot of demonstrating.

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Posted 10 August 2015 - 11:38 AM

Anyone know offhand the footprint of a pinched King? I lost them.

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Posted 10 August 2015 - 07:41 PM

Got it. 49'x20'.


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Posted 24 February 2016 - 12:24 AM

I invented the pinched King. It was designed to get in to the then-standard small store widths of between 24 and 30 feet. Very few of our tracks were built to exact specs. what usually would happen is that someone would send me a rough drawing of their store and I would draw up tracks and showcase, pit space, etc . I made pinched Kings as narrow as 14 feet but these were not 155 foot tracks. Pinched Kings run very similar to spread Kings. I had very few complaints about them.

 

I only built one replica of the original King, I don't remember where it went but it had the 4" spacing and distance from the wall. You want a high speed driver's track, that's the one.


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Posted 24 February 2016 - 12:30 AM

It went to Mineral Ridge, OH, Steve...


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Posted 25 February 2016 - 10:10 AM

I invented the pinched king .It was designed to get in to the then standard small store widths of between 24 and 30 feet .Very few of our tracks were built to exact specs .what usually would happen is that someone would send me a rough drawing of their store and I would draw up tracks and showcase , pit space etc .I made pinched kings as narrow as 14 feet but these were not 155 tracks .Pinched kings run very similar to spread kings , I had very few complaints about them .I only built one replica of the original king , I don't remember where it went but it had the 4" spacing and distance from the wall .You want a high speed drivers track , thats the one .


Did you take a peek at the blue King for sale in TX? It's an American Slot built track. Refurbished now.


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Posted 12 March 2016 - 08:56 AM

I did see that one, looked very nice.

 

Would I own one? No, too big and heavy for easy shipping. I have always believed in a store that can move easily. Unless you are parked next door to a Toys-R-Us, most stores only have a two-year window before they start to lose a lot of customers. 


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Posted 12 March 2016 - 09:22 AM

Anyone know where that Mineral Ridge King is today?


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Posted 12 March 2016 - 11:14 AM

Last I heard, Longwood, FL.


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Posted 12 March 2016 - 11:25 AM

Damn, they closed! I didn't realize you made the announcement, Greg. Doh! :D
 
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Posted 12 March 2016 - 11:35 AM

My favorite King track I ever raced on was a pinched Ogilvie King that was operation here in Rhode Island.

 

Really had to drive that track to get a quick lap time. If you were used to running on a Gerding king and then came here, you'd be lost for a while before figuring it out.


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Posted 12 March 2016 - 02:30 PM

James,

 

Does your family have that King in storage?


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Posted 12 March 2016 - 08:54 PM

Yes, we do. It's been in limbo for quite some time - we hope to be able to purchase it and set it up at some point but seeing as we don't intend to open/run a commercial raceway. It's difficult to justify the expense and floor space.


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Posted 13 March 2016 - 10:45 AM

My take on the reason so many people like punch bowl Kings is that they spend a lot of time on the cars but no time on their driving. Most people are not willing to put any real practice time in to develop real driving skills on difficult tracks.

 

Practice makes perfect when it comes to all things and i don't think many slot car racers are willing to do this. You only get out what you put in .


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Posted 13 March 2016 - 11:22 AM

Spoken by someone who knows a thing or two ... or three.

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