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Posted 28 May 2015 - 08:02 PM

Anyone interested in racing these on any Sundays?

My work schedule does not allow me to race on Saturdays, so I am interested in racing these on Sundays.
 
I have some rules drawn up and I am interested in feedback and racers that wants to race!
 
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Posted 28 May 2015 - 08:15 PM

Great looking little cars.

 

I hope you have some luck getting racing started.


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Posted 29 May 2015 - 12:36 AM

Where would the racing be done at? I would be interested in racing them.

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Posted 29 May 2015 - 12:51 AM

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The cars are great looking!!!
 
If there's interest...!!!
 
I'm am trying to line up BPR, Big Lou's in Culver City, Eddie Shorer has a mini blue king, there is a home track near UCLA, Dennis Samson would host if he is in town...

Whoever has a track that wants to host a race!
 
I am planning a series of races with a points chase and plaques for series podium.
 
Planning two classes: stock and modified as outlined in post #1.
 
Rules are simple, with no BS stuff!
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Posted 29 May 2015 - 04:46 PM

Mike,

 

Silicone tires work great on these cars if they are glued, trued up and the edges well rounded. They last a long time and we are getting better times on my wood track with silicones than we did with sponge rubber tires.

 

I love running these cars, but we run them mostly with sidewinder pods and the ScaleAuto blue ball bearing motor.


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Posted 29 May 2015 - 05:32 PM

thanks Jim,

appreciate your post on the Krissoff family.

 

trying to limit the tire selection process here, so racers don't have to chase after the right tire.

but you are correct, a silicone tire would give the most grip

 

planning two class: a stock class that uses the stock inline pod and the mod class which can use the sidewinder pod.

I got some NSR gear sets that works with the sidewinder pod, hope to try that out.


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Posted 30 May 2015 - 12:00 AM

Just got back from "Big Lou's" about two hours ago;  Lou is a great guy, what I would term a "salt of the earth" individual with a really BIG heart! :yes:  He welcomed me with proverbial "open arms" and was appreciative of the fact that I drove 20 miles to come see his establishment.  The track is a flat, four-lane plastic layout at 155' (Mike, correct me if I'm wrong on the length), with some VERY "technical" sections.)

 

Lou let me try a "Group 22" and a "Group 25" car (Mike;  Sorry if I got the nomenclature incorrect... I was havin' TOO MUCH FUN on that track to remember details!)...  I believe the term "Carrera DTM" was mentioned as the "class" ( Mike... feel free to correct me again, if I'm in error).

 

Lou explained the intricacies of the track's design and construction, highlighting the wired and soldered sections, ALL numbered for easy reference. Scale Armco barriers and green felt are nice aesthetic touches, with dimable LED lighting to be added in the near future for night-time racing.

 

After racking up about 115 laps, Lou introduced me to the track's main designer/constructor (who had arrived a short time before), a wonderful gentleman by the name of "Lee". Lee was nice enough to explain in even more depth about the setup and modification(s) of these 1/32 cars. Lee was also very appreciative of my comments on the overall design of the layout and I told him he should be very proud of his work. He was very humble in accepting my compliments and I could tell he was glad to hear my feedback.

 

Bottom line is:  It's interesting how DIFFERENT the Carerras are, but how much they are really the same.

 

"Lesson learned": If the opportunity presents itself, don't "turn your nose up" and scoff at the thought of racing on a plastic track :acute:, especially if it's as FAST and SEAMLESS as THIS one! I would never have thought...

 

I would like to extend my most sincere thanks to both Lou and Lee for their individual tutorials :yes3: , and especially to Lou for his hospitality! :victory:  I'm glad I went (on impulse) and I most certainly will go back!  :good:


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Posted 30 May 2015 - 10:54 AM

I'm in. I could dust off my track!


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Posted 30 May 2015 - 02:19 PM

Very cool!!!

Thanks, Victor.


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Posted 30 May 2015 - 03:50 PM

Mike,

 

Call Jim at Nomad. We race stock Slot.it cars a lot and I'm sure he would be interested in the series. Perhaps add a stock anglewinder class as most of the new cars come with the long can anglewinder setup?

 

Jims number is (760) 744-7450.


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Posted 30 May 2015 - 05:42 PM

Thanks, Mike B.

 

I visited his web page, looks like he is closed on Sundays.

 

I'm planning Sunday racing events, "On Any Sunday", will contact him anyhow.

 

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Posted 30 May 2015 - 10:49 PM

I'm in. King Mini Boola Raceway (my house) can be available. We'll just have to get the dates set up when I'm around.

 

Also, as you know, my main club Farrout races these cars with the following changes: 1. Mandatory Ortmann rear tires, 2. NO MAGNET.  I'm guessing we can get a few of our club guys to participate. (Although for the record, I would prefer no magnets). 

 

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Posted 31 May 2015 - 03:09 AM

I visited his web page, looks like he is closed on Sundays.


He has big races on Sunday so no problem there.
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Posted 01 June 2015 - 04:03 PM

I'm in. King Mini Boola Raceway (my house) can be available.

 
Alright! excellent. Let me work on a schedule.

We can do the magnet/non-magnet as specified by the host track.
 
Looks like we have four home tracks on board and two to three commercial track possibilities, and more than a dozen racers interested!

Sounds like OK go.
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Posted 02 June 2015 - 12:23 PM

I would be interested but have to see if I have the correct bodies.

 

And I would prefer non mag cars in all classes.

 

Oh darn, looks like I only have modern Le Mans...


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Posted 02 June 2015 - 05:33 PM

I'd be interested and prefer NO magnet as well.  Also, Slot.itit has great silicone tires that work better than urethanes. I'd prefer we ran those, especially if we are running no magnets!

 

There's not a lot of tires that work well – it won't be a tire war – just like the motor – call out a couple of tire options like F22s. Dennis Samson can tell you which ones really work best and go with them!

 

Sounds like fun!

 

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Posted 02 June 2015 - 05:36 PM

If you do a Slot.it search on eBay under "Buy it Now" you can find a few under $50. Even a couple just under $40.

 

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Posted 02 June 2015 - 07:25 PM

Oh yeah you can pick these babies up for $35 - $50 all day long!  Their really the best bang for the buck in 1/32 Slot it cars!! Nothing much else compares to them for racing right out of the box!


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Posted 02 June 2015 - 09:37 PM

These are the Slot.it Group C cars for the series: http://www.slot.it/I.../slotit_GB.html

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They are inline out of the box, and that is how they will be for the stock class.

 

For the mod class: it will be allow to change the motor pod to a sidewinder configuration, any gear combo, light weight interior and spoiler.

 

For the home tracks, I am going to spec out a tire, so tire performance is not an issue.

After some investigating... I will contact Paul Gage to see if he can make a batch of the XPG urethanes.

I will forked up the dough for the batch and the racers can get them from me.

 

For the commercial track (BPR) JK untreated.

 

And we will run with no traction magnets, but can add weight.

 

Eddie Shorer will have a race on July 12.

Rafael Palau will have a race on September 13.

 

I will talk to Debbie about having a race at BPR on August 9.

I will talk to Big Lou's about a race on October 11.

Victor has not gotten back to me about when he will host a race.

 

I'm thinking  about having the tracks open at 11am on Sundays.

Stock class starts at 12:30 and mod class 30 mins after the stock class.

Game of chance (cut a deck of cards) for starting positions for round robin racing, 3 min heats.

 

F1 style points for the championship. Four out of five will count (planning on five races).

 

Comments? Remarks? 


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Posted 02 June 2015 - 11:33 PM

Never seen one but might be interested.

Mike can you swing by BPR with one this coming Sunday?

I'll be there for the monthly Wing race.


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Posted 03 June 2015 - 12:04 AM

Never seen one but might be interested.

Mike can you swing by BPR with one this coming Sunday?

I'll be there for the monthly Wing race.

 

alright!

 

I will stop by and do some testing with the cars. I got one in stock config and one in mod config to test


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Posted 03 June 2015 - 12:35 AM

Mike, any of the group c cars good to go?  There are a couple of new releases that look good. The FaTrubo is a Porsche 962 LH Group C. Would that be ok?

 

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Posted 03 June 2015 - 12:37 AM

Mike, any of the group c cars good to go?  There are a couple of new releases that look good. The FaTrubo is a Porsche 962 LH Group C. Would that be ok?

 

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those are ok to run


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Posted 03 June 2015 - 04:26 AM

My mod car with sidewinder pod, nsr gears, Jk rears.
962 kh body with light weight interior and spoiler.
Will test it on Bpr flat track.
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Posted 03 June 2015 - 01:18 PM

Paul Gage will make us a batch of tires.
I'm thinking about 50 sets should do.
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Posted 03 June 2015 - 01:36 PM

Paul has so many sizes I'm surprised he doesn't have something already.

 

Mike, how are your sponge tires / rims configured? Stock, cut-down, glued up from scratch?


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Posted 03 June 2015 - 03:59 PM

Off the shelf Jk 1/32 0.720", with about 1/8" cut off the outside edges
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Posted 03 June 2015 - 04:03 PM

Paul has them already, I just want a batch made at the same time so the grip is the same for everyone
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Posted 03 June 2015 - 11:30 PM

Why use a tire that is not already available?  There's PLENTY of Slot it tires that work very well for these cars!  No reason to go "outside" the box--- and force people to buy something unique.  And we've run these cars at BPR without needing to go to foam tires? The home tracks will not be using glue. I'm not sure that JK makes the correct hub size for Slot it axles.


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Posted 04 June 2015 - 04:59 AM

Tires, tires, tires...
Having the right tire for the track conditions is probably the most important factor.

With the spec tires everyone is on equal ground.

I have seen some of the special prepared tires that have been made for these cars, not everyone has the knowhow to do this.

Trying to keep it simple and accessible to the racers.

I took off the shelf 1/32 Jk plastic hub 0.720 dia tires and narrowed them about 1/8", it fits perfectly. Slot.it axles are 3/32".

We could try the spec tires at Bpr, but traction maybe not so good with the glue and rubber already on the track.
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Posted 04 June 2015 - 05:16 AM

Paul make the xpg urethane already to fit the group c slot.it.
Just want tires made at same time so all the tires will have the same performance.

Paul is willing to do this and the price is reasonable. I am willing to supply each racer with two sets of tires free so that tire performance is not a factor.
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Posted 04 June 2015 - 05:42 AM

Want to make this series very accessible to the racer.

There will always be racers with more skills, money, knowhow.

Want to emphasize the driving skills here over the money and knowhow.
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Posted 04 June 2015 - 03:12 PM

 If it's mostly driving skill and participation you're most interested in, there's always the option of providing lane-assigned prepped Slot.it cars that all must use. Make a rule that they can't be taken away from the track area, and only items at the drivers stations (brush and braid juice, oil, and lint roller for tires) may be used. True, they can get damaged throughout the day, but a good backup or two can be swapped out by the Race Director at his discretion.


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Posted 04 June 2015 - 04:14 PM

Sounds like the interest is there.  Stick w/ the PG tires for stock and foam for the Mod. class.  IMHO once the plastic track guys race on wood they won't want to go back.


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Posted 04 June 2015 - 04:45 PM

Alright, alright, alright…   https://www.youtube....h?v=X4bg4Q63kJQ

Consulted with the wife. She said: “I trust you baby, just bring home the organic grass fed beef”   :D

 

Big Lou is on board for a race October 11th.

 

Will confirm with Debbie for a race at BPR August 9th.

 

Ok, tires. Tires will be open… but to score championship points you must run the Spec tires.

 

I order the tires from Paul Gage, hope to have them soon!

 

Foam tires BPR: will be optional, will attempt to run with the Spec tire, but the JK plastic hub tires will be an option.

 

“Free Spec tires”: tires can be purchase from me as many as you want, I will refund you for two sets if you run them in the series for three races.

 

Tire cleaning and additives: will follow the guideline established by the SCRRA:

“It is expressly forbidden to use any liquid on the tires, that may leave a film on the track. While tire cleaners are allowed, any compound added to the tires found to leave any deposit on the track is not allowed”… “The use of any compound such as glue and the use of glue boards is expressly forbidden”… “It is expressly forbidden to add any liquid on the tires after the car has been submitted to tech inspection and has been impounded. It is also forbidden to add any liquid to the tires before any race or between race heats.”

 

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Posted 05 June 2015 - 09:02 AM

Mike, I'll need at least one set of tires for the stock class.  Thank you

 

Tim, just saw your message to call.  I'll give you a buzz tonight.


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Posted 05 June 2015 - 11:42 AM

I will be selling some of my GP C stuff.... I have factory painted bodies and white kits. I have much stuff to sell since OCPR are not racing very often I do not need it all. Call, Email or PM me if interested.


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Posted 05 June 2015 - 01:41 PM

Nothing much else compares to them for racing right out of the box!


I thought the TSRF was better out of the box, no? Or is the comparison not valid?

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Posted 05 June 2015 - 05:19 PM

I thought the TSRF was better out of the box, no? Or is the comparison not valid?

the nsr out of the box is pretty good, every other slot cars that I've have had "out of the box" had  to be "beaten on" to perform


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Posted 05 June 2015 - 05:24 PM

the tires from Paul Gage are being made, he says it will take him three days to make the 60 sets  :shok:, that is pretty quick!

I will get them out to the racers as soon as I get them.

 

from Paul's web site:

"These tires will need to be trued on the hub using sandpaper, it only takes a minute. In some cases you may want to glue them on the hub, especially plastic hubs. I am now using a clear fingernail hardener polish as an adhesive. Apply to the inner bead of the hub and the outside bead of the tire, mount the tire, rotate once on hub and allow half an hour to dry."


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Posted 05 June 2015 - 05:55 PM

MIke--I did't want tires to be "open"! But urethane do not work as well as silicon in most cases. And there's PLENTY of existing Slot it tires that work great!! Just pick one!!  I didn't understand going to Paul for a tire that may not work as well as the stock slot its!  Happy that your organizing the races! These cars are FUN to run and drive!  And no-- Slot it's are the best bang for the buck!! You can spend more---NSR cars for example--or TSR cars--but these work great for the money!  Many of them are available for less than $45.00. That's hard to beat for a great looking car that's fun to drive!   I'll try to make some races definitely! Good going Mike!! 


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Posted 05 June 2015 - 06:06 PM

Are the Super Tires something that you guys might use for this class?


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Posted 05 June 2015 - 06:10 PM

No---the Stock Slot it's work better than Super Tires! 


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Posted 05 June 2015 - 06:39 PM

MIke--I did't want tires to be "open"! But urethane do not work as well as silicon in most cases. And there's PLENTY of existing Slot it tires that work great!! Just pick one!!  I didn't understand going to Paul for a tire that may not work as well as the stock slot its!  Happy that your organizing the races! These cars are FUN to run and drive!  And no-- Slot it's are the best bang for the buck!! You can spend more---NSR cars for example--or TSR cars--but these work great for the money!  Many of them are available for less than $45.00. That's hard to beat for a great looking car that's fun to drive!   I'll try to make some races definitely! Good going Mike!! 

 

these are Paul's xpg tires they are shore 20 hardness, I believe. on par in softness with the slot.it f22 tires.

my take on this is that: they maybe a little less grip than the silicone or rubber, but the f22 are pretty delicate, and the silicone are difficult to true.

the f22 will "melt" if there is too much heat. silicone will pull up all the rubber off the track, so if someone is running silicones, everyone else will be suffering that is not running silicones. 

having some sort of "spec" tire then is a wise choice. base on very good advice, I picked Paul's xpg tire.

beside all racers will get two sets free  :)


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Posted 06 June 2015 - 12:16 PM

Well you said you wanted a "spec" tire--so why would one run silicon and the other not?? :)

Doesn't matter--we'll run whatever you spec! 


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Posted 06 June 2015 - 06:07 PM

Mike, I've got a Slot.it Porsche and two sets of Pauls a20 tires coming in the mail. You are wecome to test them if you would like. I asked Paul if the a20 meant shore a20 hardness and he said it did. I also have a shore a durometer if we need to test tires.

 

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Posted 06 June 2015 - 06:42 PM

cool John.

get some cars together and do some testing and then some racing  :)


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Posted 06 June 2015 - 10:53 PM

Mike, Anytime you want to do some testing here, let me know. I've got Slot.it cars with Ortmann's that we run in Farrout races. When you get your tires we can set up some and see how they run here. Minutes away, rumor has it!  

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Posted 08 June 2015 - 07:16 PM

Are any motor pods legal in BOTH class's?  Anglewinder or sidewinder?   And that motor will be stone slow on the big flat track. I'd suggest the Kingelman at BPR!
 


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Posted 09 June 2015 - 12:48 AM

Group C Slot.it racing rules

General rules

1.      Any Slot.it Group C car, body must be painted, rear wing attached

2.No modifications unless specified

3.      Tires may not protrude outside the body viewed from the top

4.      Max width at rear tires 2.500”

5.      Min clearance 0.032” at rear axle.

6.      SIMF06 Motor 21,500 RPM, SICH70 Motor Mount, stock Slot.it gears 9/28

7.      Any lead wire/braid, guide shims ok

8.      Paul Gage XPG tire (Spec tire), option for commercial tracks: JK plastic hub foam tires

9.      It is expressly forbidden to use any liquid on the tires, that may leave a film on the track. While tire cleaners are allowed, any compound added to the tires found to leave any deposit on the track is not allowed. The use of any compound such as glue and the use of glue boards is expressly forbidden. It is expressly forbidden to add any liquid on the tires after the car has been submitted to tech inspection and has been impounded. It is also forbidden to add any liquid to the tires before any race or between race heats.

10.   No traction magnet

11.   Weight maybe added

Stock class

1.      As specified in General rules

Modified class

1.      May use light weight interior, painted 3 colors

2.      Rear valence maybe removed

3.      An 0.50” tall spoiler (clear plastic) maybe added to rear wing

4.      Any Slot.it sidewinder motor pod maybe used, no spring/magnet suspension

5.      Any gear combination

 

 

 

the kingleman maybe better for the stock class. for stock class the stock inline motor pod

I tested a mod car on the flat track and with 2.2 gear ratio (stock is 3.1) it was ok quick


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