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#101 Dennis David

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Posted 29 July 2015 - 08:25 PM

What times are you guys doing on the flat track at BPR?

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Posted 29 July 2015 - 08:32 PM

I don't think anyone's run any laps where we can really tell. Whenever Mike and I have been there with our Slot.its, the track has been lightly glued up for either Retro or Hardbody races, and we couldn't even make it around. We're all going into the big unknown on this one!

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Posted 29 July 2015 - 09:37 PM

Interesting, I run my cars on a lightly spray glued track but I use sponge and you guys use rubber. What's happening with the car?

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Posted 29 July 2015 - 09:57 PM

I wasn't able to give my car enough time on the track. The front was popping out of the slot, and I had to get ready for some Hardbody Retro racing. Mike was able to run more laps, but I wasn't there to see it. 

Are you thinking of coming down for the race? Sounds like you would do well! PLENTY of time to plan on it!  :laugh2:

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Posted 29 July 2015 - 10:22 PM

I won't be in the area until September at the earliest. First of all your urethane tires are not going to mess up the track anymore than any other tires. If your car is popping out of the a lot that does sound like not enough weight. My cars weigh in at 110-120 grams. I also use with Professir or Scaleauto deep guides.

I would like to race with you guys but would have to modify my cars as they all have bracing, suspension, sponge tires and more powerful motors. I will build a pair of Jaguars probably and/or Lancias. Interesting choice of sidewinder pods, never found them to work that well.

On your last post, take a look at Scaleauto gears, they have a wide variety of sizes.

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Posted 30 July 2015 - 05:18 PM

running this for mod:

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running this in stock:

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With a dirty and glued track... weight seems to be the answer. I have got the car at 80+ grams and it is a lot more manageable.

 

More weight will be better, but you have to balance that to the straight line speed you will be losing, drivability and the clock will dictate the amount of lead needed.

 

 

For the race, the track will be cleaned, but there may be a slight amount of glue residue, but the grip will be consistent thru out the entire track and not spotty as with sprayed glue conditions.

 

 

I have tested with JK treated sponge tires (narrowed to fit under the body) and that runs really good on a sprayed glued track.

 

 

For this initial forray in running these cars, I have specified a spec tire. As with more interest in this type of racing, the rules will be open up, at lease in the mod class, for tires and modifications.


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Posted 30 July 2015 - 06:55 PM

Sounds like you're really on top of it. If plans proceed I will join you guys some time in September.

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Posted 30 July 2015 - 08:15 PM

Sounds like you're really on top of it. If plans proceed I will join you guys some time in September.

 

If you can attend some of the festivities (racing) that would be great.


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Posted 30 July 2015 - 09:24 PM

Depends if I work this contract in SD or not.

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Posted 04 August 2015 - 12:11 AM

Looks like I can attend the races in September and October assuming these are both on wood tracks. Not really interested in running Group C on plastic. I'll probably just run this in the modified class if I can fit a sidewinder pod under the body. I won't be adding an extra wing to the back however. That's just wrong. LOL
 
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Or this if the other is too expensive:

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Posted 04 August 2015 - 10:14 AM

It will be interesting to see how my anglewinder Porsche GT1 with sponge tires runs on the flat track at BPR. It currently weighs a stout 129 gr. Has never run faster.

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Posted 04 August 2015 - 12:09 PM

Mike, this Sunday, what time will the racing begin ?


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Posted 04 August 2015 - 12:40 PM

Mike, this Sunday, what time will the racing begin ?

 

Looks like 12:30 is when Mike plans to start


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Posted 04 August 2015 - 01:38 PM

Thank you Craig, and I believe the raceway opens at 11 am on Sunday, right ?


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Posted 04 August 2015 - 01:56 PM

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Posted 04 August 2015 - 04:11 PM

sunday's schedule:

 

track opens 11am

 

tech for stock class: 12:30pm

round robin race format, random lane assignment

 

mod class tech about 30min after stock race

 

I will have Eddie clean the track before the track opens sunday

 

I will be there this sat evening (about 6:30pm) if anyone needs some spec tires

 

see everyone this weekend !!!  :D


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Posted 04 August 2015 - 04:25 PM

Where can I pick up an angle winder insert?? :)


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Posted 04 August 2015 - 05:46 PM

Keep in mind that this Saturday should be a Retro F1 and Retro CanAm race day on the flat track.


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Posted 04 August 2015 - 07:17 PM

Tim: Mod class uses SIDEwinder pod, not anglewinder. Electric dreams has them with gears in a kit. Otherwise eBay.
Max: the Slot.it races are Sunday.
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Posted 04 August 2015 - 10:32 PM

Eddie, just reminding anyone that was thinking about testing Saturday, the track might be busy until the evening.


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Posted 04 August 2015 - 11:46 PM

Max. We're running on Sunday. Track will be glued on Sat anyway. We won't run glue
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Posted 04 August 2015 - 11:48 PM

Eddie. I believe we can run anglwinder. My chassis can besetup that way
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Posted 05 August 2015 - 09:00 AM

Tim, I got the stink on the pod allowed.  Side winder only for the mod class. 

 

If you need one call slot car Tony @ Fantasy World and he may be able to get you one out in time. 

 

Their number is (877) 318-7144 


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Posted 05 August 2015 - 12:10 PM

Ok--that's silly--I'll just run the stock class.
Thanks Craig


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Posted 05 August 2015 - 01:17 PM

It is strange not to allow anglewinder but it makes sense if you want to standardize on the orange endbell motor. Please don't change the rule as I am working on a sidewinder and wanted to try that instead of all of the angleswinders I normally run! Are the tracks scheduled for September and October wood? Inquiring minds would like to know.


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Posted 05 August 2015 - 01:33 PM

The mod class allows for a sidewinder pod.

The anglewinder pod is by design to fit a long can. The short can, that is specified, can be made to work in the anglewinder pod.
I don't know if one pod layout has an advantage over the other.

If anyone wants to run a car out of spec, that would be okay. But to be fair to those racing for points, you will only gain last place points.

For this initial foray, the mod class will allow the sidewinder pod. Future series may allow additional mods, if enough racers wants them.
We race to win, but since only one racer wins, every racer should at least have some fun. And "I will beat you next time ", lol!
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Posted 05 August 2015 - 01:42 PM

Dennis,
September race is on a wood home track.
October race on a 145' plastic track, with long straights.


And may run again on the flat track at BPR in November.

Dennis, PM me, so I can send you some spec tires.
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Posted 05 August 2015 - 01:56 PM

Ok so I will make the September race at least.

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Posted 05 August 2015 - 02:00 PM

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Posted 08 August 2015 - 08:52 PM

Everything is set for Sunday. BPR will be open at 11am and the flat track will be cleaned.

I ran some laps on the track after the retro race and was turning laps of 7.8s with a stock class car on white lane.
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Posted 08 August 2015 - 11:28 PM

 I'm assuming that the stock class cars are going to be running out of speed about 1/2 way down the straight with the stock 9:27 gears. Looking forward to tomorrow.

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Posted 09 August 2015 - 10:25 PM

A little bird told me there are great results for this race!


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Posted 09 August 2015 - 10:32 PM

Craig 1st, Mill 2nd, me 3rd, in both races. I'm sure Mike will have all the details soon enough.

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Posted 10 August 2015 - 02:33 AM

A very good day at the office today. A small group of us got together and had a fun event.

Thanks to the staff at BPR. Eddie for prepping the flat track, Debbie and Jim for race directing.
In the stock class Craig, Mill, Eddie diced it out. A high quality race between them. Craig sqeeked it out over Mill. Mill had his motor go south in the second to last heat, but was able to hang on to second. Eddie was right there in third. Two laps covered the podium.
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Posted 10 August 2015 - 02:37 AM

Stock class podium
Mill, second
Craig, first
Eddie, third
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Posted 10 August 2015 - 08:41 AM

Thank you  Mike, it was a fun day and I'm looking forward to the rest of the series. 

 

Maybe in 2016 we can give the mods a little more motor on foam tires and play with the gearing on the stockers.


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Posted 10 August 2015 - 11:48 AM

Yep, a fun series running these cars on a variety of tracks. Thanks Mike. Hopefully it will grow over time. I want to see some racers trying out tracks they're not familiar with. For me that's part of the fun of this series. There was a world of difference between the Stock and Modified, largely due to the gear ratio changes. Foam tires will turn them into different animals entirely. I'm not so sure that's a road/track I'd want to go down. Maybe in the Mod class.

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Posted 10 August 2015 - 03:15 PM

Foam tires will show the limitations of the plastic chassis and will require additional setup possible including suspension like I use. I'll bring my car down to SoCal though I need to replace my chassis due to some self-inflicted race damage.

I use the faster Flat6 RS in anglewinder. It's not a whole lot faster but seems to have an advantage out of the corners.

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Posted 10 August 2015 - 06:15 PM

Mod race results:

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The track rubber up during the stock race and we had to chase the prevalent track conditions in mod.

Craig was able to manage it the best and was turning some quick laps. Mill and Eddie had a battle for second, Eddie had more straight line speed and Mill was better in the turns.

Getting the car running smooth was the key here, I kept making adjustments to the pod screws and finally got it smooth by the end of the race, but Craig, Mill and Eddie were long gone and that was the podium.

 

The cars ran well with the spec tire, once the chassis are adjusted right. Craig, Mill, and Eddie were successful at that task (and drove very well!) and they podium in both races.

Chris, Derrick, and I had a debrief at Portillo’s, LOL. We bench race and discussed many subjects. We concluded that we had a fun day and look forward to the next race.

 

Mod podium:

Mill, second

Craig, first

Eddie, third

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Posted 10 August 2015 - 07:34 PM

  series points after two races:

 

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Posted 10 August 2015 - 08:56 PM

     I had a great time myself :excl:   Glad I could help out  :yes3:  (even though it was in a limited capacity).  Nice to put some faces with semi-familiar names  :yes:


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Posted 10 August 2015 - 10:19 PM

Adjusting the chassis during the race? Almost sounds like NASCAR

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Posted 10 August 2015 - 10:39 PM

Adjusting the chassis during the race? Almost sounds like NASCAR

 

The urethane tires are not that compliant, and it seems I compounded the problem by cutting the tires very small, which I think lower the roll axis too much in relationship to the cg axis. The effect of this is the car was sensitive to track conditions. Adjusting the chassis stiffness via the pod screws, I was able to fine the right stiffness for the car to behave smoothly and put down the power without chattering, but it took me the entire race to figure it out and adjust the chassis right.

 

 

But the podium guys were running very well! and it would have been a challenge even if I had the car right at the start of the mod race.


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Posted 11 August 2015 - 10:28 AM

 

Adjusting the chassis stiffness via the pod screws, I was able to fine the right stiffness for the car to behave smoothly and put down the power without chattering, but it took me the entire race to figure it out and adjust the chassis right.

 

 

But the podium guys were running very well! and it would have been a challenge even if I had the car right at the start of the mod race.

 

I ran my motor pod very loose, especially on the mod. 

 

In practice they were tight and the loser I made it the better the car got. 

 

The way my car was setup actually gave it some rear steer.


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Posted 11 August 2015 - 03:36 PM

What a bunch of podium HOGS! Congrats!


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Posted 11 August 2015 - 05:48 PM

In our Farrout club, we run very similar urethane tires (Ortmann) in a few classes. We find that gluing and truing them, and finishing them by sanding them with very fine paper (2000 grit) seems to work best. A general rule of thumb is: The looser the body and motor mount, the more grip; the tighter the body and motor mount, the more the car will slide. I'm not sure what was going on with my car in race, since it was much more hooked up in practice. It seemed to have the worst of both worlds: sliding and chattering. I'm sure there's a reason... I just haven't taken the time to look at it yet.

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Posted 11 August 2015 - 06:22 PM

LOL, I was having the same problem, but I couldn't make a go of it like you did, Eddie. you kept it on the track and battled it out with Mill for second, while I was watching you, Mill and Craig driving by me  :shok:

 

Mill had the most weight on the car, he used the tungsten Slot.it weights on the motor pod.

As Craig mention, he ran the pod very loose.

I was able to get the car running smooth by adjusting the stiffness between the pod and chassis.

 

Many methods being used here.

I'm going to try adding some weight to the pod and with varying looseness on the pod.


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Posted 12 August 2015 - 01:36 AM

With sponge tires you'll have even more chatter on a high grip track, which is why we use suspension. I set my cars using either springs or magnets to be very soft and use a lot of weight. That gets rid of any chatter.binsldo use the stiffest pod and add sq brass tube for additional stiffness.

With weight and soft springs the car actually squats when you put it on the track. LOL

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Posted 04 September 2015 - 04:17 PM

Race #3 coming up:

 

Rafael Palau will be hosting,  September 13 (West L.A., near UCLA)

 

Races are on the second Sundays, and the host tracks will be open at 11am

stock class tech at about 12:30pm

and mod class 30 mins after conclusion of stock racing

 

Rafael just updated his track with the "short layout". Brad Bowman made the track pieces and Rafael did the handy work.

 

"Short layout":

 

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Posted 04 September 2015 - 04:21 PM

Got an address for us folks that haven't been there in the past?


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