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Posted 18 June 2015 - 12:46 PM

Let's update the list of why one cannot attend a race.

 

It's too far of a drive.

The track the race is on is not the kind I like.

 

Ok, go.


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Posted 18 June 2015 - 01:36 PM

The cost to travel...  That's what usually prevents us from making more races...  If the track is far enough away to make it an over-nighter, the expense goes up with the cost of a hotel room, eating out, gas (Or plane ticket(s) ), etc...

 

If it wasn't for the cost, we'd go to many more races...   :)


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Posted 18 June 2015 - 02:01 PM

   Scott,

      Time. Or lack of it. I can only devote 2 Saturdays a month to slot cars and that is taken up with the activities at BPR. However, my wife often goes to Las Vegas with her sister and when this occurs on a weekend you're racing, I plan on organizing a few people and trying to come up and join you! :)


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Posted 18 June 2015 - 02:10 PM

Yes, we should go to races more often, but in my situation, it's tough. :search:

To race a one day event at my "local" track is a 0200 wake up, and return home 2200.

A 20 hour day requires a pet sitter for the dogs, coordination and rendezvous with co-driver friends,

printing lots of money :wink2: the night before, etc.

I'm only a mid pack driver anyway, so I'd rather stay at home building cars and enjoy the air conditioned comfort of my hobby room  :music:


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Posted 18 June 2015 - 02:13 PM

This thread is not about any particular raceway or track. It is a general type list. We have been in operation here for 20 years. We know that people do what they want to do. That is fine. The track in Jacksonville FL that just closed down made me want a fresh list posted. And it may make some folks think about going to that race they may have not been planning on going to.    


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Posted 18 June 2015 - 02:14 PM

 Bryan...

 

     That sounds good. Thank you for that. we always want to have more racers so the fun level goes up.


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Posted 18 June 2015 - 02:17 PM

Scott, if I lived within a hundred miles of Oxnard, I'd be camped outside your door when you opened on Saturday morning :)


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Posted 18 June 2015 - 04:03 PM

Good addition to the list.

 

Raceway it too far to make an easy trip to it.   


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Posted 18 June 2015 - 04:20 PM

Since Jacksonville closed it's doors with no imminent replacement in site, my next closest track to go to is over a 2 hour drive one way...and my failing health takes a toll on me on long trips.  Now I will only travel to select retro races, and am selling off a lot of my scale stuff and motor programs for scale cars.

 

I keep hoping and praying that our raceway will once again rise from the ashes so to speak...but I'm not holding my breath this time.


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Posted 18 June 2015 - 04:24 PM

 If we set up a Logan's run type of city it could be fantastic. All racers that moved to the designated city would all be within a reasonable distance. After they lose 30 races they go to Carrousel.


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Posted 18 June 2015 - 04:27 PM

 Michael Rigby,

 

      This is such a loss to the racing community. Maybe Johnny Banks is planning something. He does like running raceways.


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Posted 18 June 2015 - 05:34 PM

Time!!  I race RC Planes--fly RC planes--Race RC cars and Race 1/32 as well as 1/24 Retro/ Scale/ hardbody and HO slot cars!! Only SOO many days available to play!! And-- Wine trips and beer tastings---and don't forget 1/1 real hot rods!! Attending car shows and swap meets!! Life is FULL and FUN!!! 


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Posted 18 June 2015 - 06:17 PM

This thread is not about any particular raceway or track. It is a general type list. We have been in operation here for 20 years. We know that people do what they want to do. That is fine. The track in Jacksonville FL that just closed down made me want a fresh list posted. And it may make some folks think about going to that race they may have not been planning on going to.    

I wish I would have made more races at Johnny Banks track in Jacksonville.
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Posted 18 June 2015 - 06:36 PM

Lack of participants - Entries breed entries just like posts on a forum breed more posts. This becomes a marshaling issue which breeds yet more frustration.

 

Annoying participants - Too many experts that come across like they want to be helpful, when really all they are doing is trying to be the alpha male at the track. Crap talkers that feed their own insecurities by falsely talking bad about others.

 

Too many classes / too many non uniform rules - Everybody has their own idea of what the best rules and classes should be and 99% of the time it is solely to benefit themselves and the equipment they already own. Less would be more in my opinion (at the local level at least).


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Posted 18 June 2015 - 06:58 PM

In general...................complacency..................and myriads of factors play into that.

 

Among the many already mentioned, there is one that I know is a factor which is........"I don't go there b/c I always get my b*** kicked"


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Posted 18 June 2015 - 07:07 PM

Complicated rules.

Rules changes that make your car or cars unable to be raced without modification.


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Posted 18 June 2015 - 08:33 PM

I need to balance racing , with budget and time with my wife, especially in the summer. We race Saturday evenings in Rohnert Park and I wish we switched to Sunday Mornings or if we do it on Saturdays start at 1:00 PM


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Posted 18 June 2015 - 09:32 PM

Old and always Tired...



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Posted 20 June 2015 - 12:58 AM

Track mostly has lots of races in bad weather. Driving for 3 hours alone in the car, much of it on 2 lane roads crossing bridges with signs that say, "Bridge ices before road."

As you are doing this you realize that you just raced for no trophy, plaque, merchandise or cash and the owner didn't thank you for coming. 


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Posted 20 June 2015 - 12:03 PM

Some racers like myself take breaks from time to time.  I haven’t been to my local track for over a month.  It’s a temporary season or sabbatical.  My work bench has been dark for a while collecting some dust.  I’ll be back soon.  If I know me, I’ll jump back in building, mounting tires and the whole thing.  


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Posted 20 June 2015 - 12:40 PM

Taking a break.

No payout

No trophies.

Raceway owner/manager doesn't thank people for coming.

The drive is risky due to inclement weather.


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Posted 20 June 2015 - 05:01 PM

My cars don't work at that track.


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Posted 21 June 2015 - 10:13 AM

Scott, I think that everything that everybody has listed is a completely honest and real reason for not attending as many races as one would like.  A couple of things to remember is that as a group avid slot racers are getting on in years for the most part.  Many of these very dedicated members of the hobby have been hit the hardest by the recession and the stagnant wages for those who do work.  Looking at it from the racers point of view, I can say from my point of view is that we race on a 73 foot oval track and most of the classes we have can be hard on tires.  The result is that to attend a race and be prepared to win will cost the following at my home track.  $6.50 for a one hour track card, $12.00 for a set of tires, about $3.00 for two sets of braid and you must also figure in another $5.00 for potential damage to the car, motor or body.  Add that to the $10.00 to $12.00 entry fee and the $10.00 for gas to get there and you have a total of over $46.00 to attend that local race at a track less than 60 miles from your home.  After the fourth or fifth week of this type of expense many rethink if the $200.00 a month is worth it, along with potential grief from the other half.  If you factor in the price to attend a larger race away from home this total goes up to over $200 per event if you are racing three or four classes and figure on an overnight stay.

 

Another issue is that being in the hobby (on both sides of the counter) for over 50 years on and off.  I do not think that many of us feel we can trust the fact that after we purchase the big box, power supply, com lathe, tire truer, star wars controllers and large variety of cars that we can expect any new track to survive the third summer.  I love this hobby and have since I raced my first Vibs. in the back of a hobby shop in either 1962 or 1963,  however, I have as of late become more involved with club racing in 1/32 scale as I do not have to worry as much about the track having to close because they can not pay the overhead.


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Posted 21 June 2015 - 12:34 PM

If half of the raceways gained one more regular racer it would be huge.

 

If the average racer went to two more races in a years time, that would be great.

 

We had run racing yesterday. If only two racers that showed up had instead decided to not attend, we would have had no races at all. 

 

Your attendance matters. You* are fun to be with. We miss you when you don't show up.

 

 

 

 

 

*racers that are fun to be with.


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Posted 21 June 2015 - 02:00 PM

Scott, again I agree with much of what you say, however, you seem not to look at it from the point of view for the potential new racer or the racer who might be infrequent at the track.  One of the hardest thing to overcome in the second year of a slot car raceway is the ability to get and retain new people.  Slot racers who have been there since the raceway opened and possibly raced at other raceways that closed tend to be tight knit groups with little if any interest in the new people other than in a strictly superficial way.  Looking from the new person's perspective he proudly brings in his small plastic box that his starter kit came in and brings out his pride and joy that the owner told him was the type of car others were racing that night.  Well, next comes that bewitching hour of about 30 minutes before race time and the local hot shoes bring in their condo stackable boxes complete with power supplies, tools both hand and powered as well as the plethora of back up cars all vastly faster than Mr. Newby's RTR car that just an hour ago he was so very proud of.  Fast forward to the race and if Mr. Newby gets any encouragement it is to not stop on the bank, do not slow up so much in the curves and please stay out of my way as I am racing for the win.  I know that most of us would really like to help him but we are just too much involved into trueing that perfect set of race tires, replacing the braid or using our best trick to get through tech with a car as close to the envelope as possible.  Well, the last part of the night is after the last race when all of the "Regulars" take the pride walk to the counter to pick up the spoils of their labor and talk about what they are going to buy with their racebucks.  Mr. Newby who by now feels like he is a true outsider so far behind the curve closes his once prideful colorful plastic box and heads to the door to ponder the benefits of coming back.  I am not saying that all raceways are like this but many that I have seen do display one if not multiples of the above examples.

 

As far as my attending the one or two more races per year, I really do not see that matters as much as getting and retaining new blood who, if they felt they were treated right, would be that new full time customer who finds ways to purchase all of the items that allows them to come back and compete with the "Stackable Condo boys" who dominate.

 

By the way, I do plan on about 28 races this coming season, 16 at a track/tracks about 60 miles away and 12 at tracks from 150 to 200 miles away.


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