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#1 PCH Parts Express

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Posted 29 June 2015 - 11:13 AM

What track style and type are best for:

 

Fun

Profit from rentals

Profit from parties

Profit from weekly/monthly race entries

 

Smaller tracks cost less rent per square foot.

Grandstands and Hillclimbs work well for parties and rentals. They are also fun and normally are great for racing.

Drag strips can do well. But you have to promote drags. Just having a drag strip won't work. It will turn into a dust collecting shelf.

 

Commercial raceways can benefit from data and knowledge. What was true 25 years ago may still work. But maybe things change? If you knew that ovals made less money than figure eight tracks would that help? If you knew King Track raceways are more profitable than raceways with an Orange track, but the tracks that had Orange tracks stayed open twice as long. Would that help you with your business plan? 

 

Commercial raceways don't have much to go on when you try to compile industry knowledge that is timely and accurate. Yes, some folks will share knowledge that is helpful and correct. Then the trick can be to get the new business owner to use the knowledge. Does anyone here think a news letter or raceway assoc. can be set up to share knowledge and concepts worth testing? 


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Posted 29 June 2015 - 11:31 AM

I vote for the small bullring with 3.75 lane spacing and quirky turns that looks like a real dirt race track and cars that are so finely detailed they are the most realistic looking cars on the planet. :diablo:


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Posted 29 June 2015 - 11:32 AM

Sorry Scott, I couldn't help myself! :crazy:



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Posted 29 June 2015 - 11:43 AM

6 lane 90' Hillclimb

6 lane Figure Eight

1/8 mile drag strip

 

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90' Orange

1/4 mile drag strip

 

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155' King Track

110' Orange 

1/4 mile drag track

 

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110' LTD

110' Orange

1/8 drag strip

 

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135' Grandstand

 

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Just food for though. What combo makes more money per square foot while the shop is paying the rent without a problem. 


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Posted 29 June 2015 - 11:51 AM

ANY TRACK BUT A KING!!!  :)


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Posted 29 June 2015 - 12:09 PM

We have notices that many profitable retail shops (other than raceways) that tend to be located in strip centers are around 20' wide give or take 2'. King Tracks require more than a 20' wide shop in most cases. 


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Posted 29 June 2015 - 12:09 PM

ANY TRACK BUT A KING!!!   :)

 

Ditto that IMO.  Inefficient use of floor space.  Needs too many marshals, and newbies spend more time walking to retrieve their come-offs than driving.

 

A small to medium-sized shop would be well served with a drag strip (1/8, 1000-ft, or 1/4 depending on shop configuration), a small oval, and a Hillclimb/Grandstand road course.


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Posted 29 June 2015 - 12:22 PM

How about ANY track?  There are only 2 commercial slot car tracks in Florida counting The Raceway.biz, and The Race Place in Daytona...P-1 Slot Car Raceway in Winter Garden is run as a slotclub but has an Oglivie hillclimb and partners with the USRA MYSERIES folks.  One commercial drag strip in Orlando, Crosstown Drags, and a couple club drag strips (East Orlando and Miami) is all that I know of above the radar.

 

How can real data be derived from consumers chatting here on Slotblog?

I wonder if population density is a factor?   

What is a slot car?

 

My favorite track to date is the flat track at BPR...


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Posted 29 June 2015 - 12:25 PM

Clubs are great. Let's add clubs to the idea chat. 


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Posted 29 June 2015 - 01:04 PM

OK......Fat Headed Opinions to follow...........

 

I think too many raceway owners (or potentials) get caught up in things that don't matter much (like King tracks and FAST cars......stuff like that) Any potential raceway is going to develop a local clientele that will race on what you have and not know any different. The traveling racer that takes three trips to get all his s*** in the door is of little use to most tracks.

 

I think that two smallish tracks (under 130') and a strip is all one needs. I also think that small hillclimbs or especially a small kingleman and of course the classic orange, black and yellow designs are all good. Not a fan of ovals but that's just me. Two different shorter tracks that are both raceable, will give you all you need. Heck a 120-130 kingleman is a great venue for some really good racing of any sort and a shorter one (say....100-110) can be great as well. One of the keys for smaller tracks is don't plop fast cars on 'em. If'n it were me.....I'd do a small kingleman and maybe a black. If the black took up too much space, I'd consider a yellow with the esses.

 

Keep your eye on the local market that you develop yourself and don't worry about the traveling fatheads (like me). If the facility is organized and clean, well managed and the racing is good......we'll come anyway.


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Posted 29 June 2015 - 01:28 PM

Ovals are real revenue makers. Don't have to be 100 footer either.......works well for racing and/or fun and parties.......


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Posted 29 June 2015 - 01:30 PM

Ovals are real revenue makers. Don't have to be 100 footer either.......works well for racing and/or fun and parties.......

Most fun I have ever had slot car racing was on a 75' tri oval at Lucky Bob's


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Posted 29 June 2015 - 01:40 PM

Most fun I have ever had slot car racing was on a 75' tri oval at Lucky Bob's

 

I raced ovals a fair bit when lived in the East and I liked 'em too. The reason that I'm not a fan in a commercial sense is how fast the cars get around. The sub 2 sec laps are (IMO) just too quick for many of the more entry level racers. OTH, if one could take the sub 2.0 sec laps that are the norm on most ovals, and translate that into say 2.5-3.5 second laps, I think that's a good way to go.


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Posted 29 June 2015 - 02:02 PM

As far car speeds go, the Volteq adjustable power supplies have been a life saver for me.

While crazy valuable for birthday parties, I also plan to use it extensively on the drag strip.

While the 28.8V will be explored, running drag races at 6 volts, or lower, will also be experimented with, to make the races more realistic.
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Posted 29 June 2015 - 04:06 PM

I can imaging a tri-oval may be fun but since I have never run on one I don't really know. I've always been partial to road courses so for me I would like:

 

6 lane MTT (Without Squiggles)

6 lane Tri-Oval (Banked) 

1/8 Dragstrip (Run at a lower voltage)


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Posted 29 June 2015 - 07:01 PM

I remember way back we raced on an "oval". Someone had taken parts of a hill clime i think, and put them together to make a oval of sorts. It was great fun. I guess my point is the people and the environment matter more than the track.


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Posted 29 June 2015 - 07:49 PM

I have always believed you need two tracks. One for rentals that is not too technical (110-120 feet) like a orange or Windsor. This should allow for some "speed" but include some driving. Limit this track to your birthday parties/rental cars.


The second track should be for your racers or those with thier own cars. This should be something similar to a flat track but with some banking (like an older style king) only I would flatten the bank out to 5-7 degrees and change the round donut to a triangle shape one similar to that of an UK Black. Track would be 150-170 feet long so most cars would stay above 4 seconds a lap.

If you have the room a drag strip is a must!

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Posted 29 June 2015 - 08:25 PM

Dominic that would be nice as well. A "mostly" flat track like this?

 

 

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Posted 29 June 2015 - 09:13 PM

Absolute Dennis

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Posted 29 June 2015 - 10:01 PM

Dennis, that's a dead ringer for our track at Hornsby.

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Posted 29 June 2015 - 10:31 PM

Those are two very cool tracks pictured above. The one Dennis posted is (I think) called a UK Black, and is just slightly different than the one Steve pictured. Both are great as is the original Black which has a simple round donut. I think pairing one of those with say a Kingleman or an Orange would be awesome. There was a track somwhat similar to the UK shown above during the time I lived back east and raced in the NECC. I think it may have been at one of the locations of "Redline" raceway, but it didn't last very long. I loved that track but......alas.


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Posted 29 June 2015 - 10:31 PM

I think more than the types of  tracks, a business owner needs to be creative with pricing/deals for when summer comes and the winter crowd vanishes.

If you do a $25/month track time with your own car/controller there needs to be a limit. Otherwise you become cheap day care for parents that work or just want their kids out of their hair. Complimentary sideline sales are huge, like a fair inventory of R/C parts(tires, bodies, ability to repair, etc.) or skateboard stuff. If anyone besides the track owner is making money fixing /building cars or painting bodies, the track owner should demand a fair cut or sell them through the speedway.Most deliveries of finished product are at the track, anyway.


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Posted 30 June 2015 - 03:48 AM

At Mobile Raceways in Australia we have two flat tracks,a Blue King and a drag strip that runs down the centre of the building.The King track is the least popular of the three tracks.I believe that the ideal setup would be to have a dedicated party/kids track such as a figure 8 or something similar,a kingleman/engleman,a flat track such as the UK Black or similar versions such as at MR or Hornsby and a track with magnetic braid for 1/32 cars


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Posted 30 June 2015 - 04:39 AM

Is there a best?



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Posted 30 June 2015 - 12:30 PM

If a one track location is done to keep the rent reasonable an orange without eases sounds good. Has anyone seen or heard of a laundromat with a slot track? Or a slot shop with laundry machines?
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