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Posted 15 July 2015 - 09:10 AM

I got a few items from him a few years ago. The bodies are gorgeous but hard to find... anyone know whats going on there? I want to build a few scratchbuild Le Mans style cars...


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Posted 15 July 2015 - 09:14 AM

From the TrueScale website:
 

6-20-2015
I have begun to consider taking a break from accepting body orders.
Most of you know that long delays in order processing is normal for TrueScale. Something I’m not happy about.
I have little time any more to produce bodies and fill orders and I need to devote my time elsewhere.
I am still completing and shipping orders I have.
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Posted 15 July 2015 - 09:35 AM

Dang... that stinks.

 

Is there another company that prodces something like that in 1/24?


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Posted 15 July 2015 - 09:37 AM

Parma, Betta (England), Outisight.


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Posted 15 July 2015 - 09:43 AM

Parma and Outisight i know of for flexi cars. Betta looks like some nice stuff though.


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Posted 15 July 2015 - 10:03 AM

Not sure of the maker, but Patto's has some variation as well.


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Posted 15 July 2015 - 11:13 AM

Which bodies are you looking for?

 

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Posted 15 July 2015 - 12:34 PM

Nothing in particular honestly. I like the Daytona Prototype style and i can easily get them through model kits and what not but TrueScale had them as Lexan or what ever at .030" and they were rather detailed.


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Posted 15 July 2015 - 01:00 PM

TrueScale is probably the supplier of the most accurate molds and detailed bodies in 1/24 scale. His real "scale" bodies are superb. However, availability is difficult at the best of times since demand far outstrips Victor's ability to produce them. Victor has a "real" job and producing bodies is a labor of love for him. If he ever comes back to producing bodies get an order in and be prepared for a long wait.

 

Meanwhile, Betta does have some very good stuff in the "scale" arena as well. Also not super easy to get because they are in the UK. Still, it is at least doable given some patience. Failing the availability of TrueScale, Betta is really an excellent choice.


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Posted 15 July 2015 - 06:36 PM

Not sure of the maker, but Patto's has some variation as well.

 

Bruce Patterson (Patto) is the maker.


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Posted 15 July 2015 - 06:48 PM

I'm glad I ordered a bunch of Ti22s awhile back when Victor was not that busy.


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Posted 16 July 2015 - 02:09 PM

Try Electric Dreams for TrueScale bodies.


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Posted 16 July 2015 - 02:13 PM

Electric Dreams does not carry TrueScale bodies. They have MAC bodies and their own. The MACs are pulled by Parma and Parma has the same ones.


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Posted 17 July 2015 - 08:23 AM

Sorry, I meant Prof Motor... my mistake for not checking their websites first... was going by memory... what were we talking about???   :)


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Posted 17 July 2015 - 08:30 AM

Well, they might have but if you look just about every listing shows "Out of Stock".


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Posted 07 October 2015 - 04:33 AM

Any news on True Scale? 

 

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Posted 07 October 2015 - 07:50 AM

They're still on break. When they go back into doing bodies they will most likely post here to let us know.  


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Posted 07 October 2015 - 06:26 PM

They're still on break. When they go back into doing bodies they will most likely post here to let us know.  

Don't hold your breath....


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Posted 07 October 2015 - 08:23 PM

Scott is correct, of course.

Also, here is a link directly to his website news:

http://www.truescale...ts.com/news.htm


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Posted 07 October 2015 - 09:22 PM

I was in conversation with Victor and had made him an offer to purchase the entire retro body molds and start producing bodies under a new name "RetroScale" under his banner. Things were progressing well untill he "changed his mind"....

It is my understanding that this has happened before. He has a M/F job and has to travel to and from work across Southern California, so he's burnt out most of the time, and I'm guessing that his priority's are on his full time gig.

I've e-mailed him that the offer still stands, but he has yet to respond. In the meantime, I'm ready to backpour his bodies and start my own supply.... 


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Posted 07 October 2015 - 10:00 PM

I was in conversation with Victor and had made him an offer to purchase the entire retro body molds and start producing bodies under a new name "RetroScale" under his banner. Things were progressing well untill he "changed his mind"....
It is my understanding that this has happened before. He has a M/F job and has to travel to and from work across Southern California, so he's burnt out most of the time, and I'm guessing that his priority's are on his full time gig.
I've e-mailed him that the offer still stands, but he has yet to respond. In the meantime, I'm ready to backpour his bodies and start my own supply.... 


Do you have a web site where I can keep up with your progress on this?
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Posted 08 October 2015 - 07:16 AM

Wouldn't back pouring his bodies while there is still a chance Victor may go back to his business if his job situation changes be a little harsh? Are there not other scale bodies from manufacturers no longer in business that are available?

Just asking ...

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Posted 08 October 2015 - 07:32 AM

Making back-poured bodies for your own use is your own business. Making back-poured bodies for sale to others has been done before with questionable ethics. 


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Posted 08 October 2015 - 07:52 AM

Victor's bodies have been back-poured before and sold by another body manufacturer and still are.  I can name several bodies.


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Posted 08 October 2015 - 08:47 AM

I know Victor cares a lot about his work but I guess making them for your own use is ok but not selling them IMHO. Smokie I know you were saying for your own supply and I didn't mean anything negative on your account.

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Posted 08 October 2015 - 10:15 AM

Just so there isn't any confusion, a personally pulled body isn't legal for IRRA® competition.

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Posted 08 October 2015 - 06:01 PM

Do you have a web site where I can keep up with your progress on this?

all coversations have been through personal e-mail.

 

As for the legality, if Victor DOES sell me the molds, I would re-submit to both IRRA and SCRRA for approval, If I make my own mold off of one of his bodys, then it would ONLY be for club racing.

Personally, I've found that since arriving here in Nooseland (IRRA), I've had better luck with both of Parma's offerings. Parma's Ti22's out-perform both the long nose and short nose TrueScale Ti22s.Another SoCal transplant runs Parma bodies, and it is the body of choice at the track.


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Posted 15 October 2015 - 07:03 AM

Just a sidebar observation obliquely related.

The realistic appearance and detail if our cars is absolutely essential to the younger, as in teen and below racer. For us older guys it's a speed thing. But these younger racers are used to picking a favorite car based in looks when playing X-Box. Not ALL.

There's always exceptions and yes they want to win and that requires speed. But they will lose interest quicker if they perceive they're racing plastic sleds rather than a realistic car. It's all about the fantasy race experience for them.

So my point is, lets keep an active concern for the realistic appearance of our cars.
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Posted 15 October 2015 - 08:35 AM

Some of us older guys like realistic slot cars as well. ;-)
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Posted 15 October 2015 - 09:04 AM

Michael,

I agree on the need to uphold a realistic appearance (and yes, I'm an older guy...), but I'm not sure that that's the real criteria for younger racers. Looks are very important to them, but not necessarily in the sense of realism - it could also be just a cool-looking car (like Thingies in the '60s). I think the number of kids who really appreciate realism is more of a minority, it's something that develops a bit later - within a wide range of aesthetic tastes, of course, like adults. 
 
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Posted 15 October 2015 - 09:26 AM

Realism to kids only applies if they even follow auto racing and then decide what type of car they like.  Now they might relate to the cool cars that show up in their racing video games but most are playing combat games and we don't race tanks. LOL.
 
I for one am a believer that a fast car can still look good and be representative of a real car or a car from the period (as in Retro).
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Posted 15 October 2015 - 11:02 AM

Maybe I'm different, but even though I wasn't around when Can-Am actually raced, but I still think they're cool-looking cars. 
 
And I think the bodies with modern type paint jobs are really cool. Steve Koepp, Noose, Hip, and Bob Hughes really make them cool looking.
 
Victor did sell extremely nice stuff, but he didn't make anything that was as fast as the Parma/OS stuff for IRRA® racing.


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Posted 15 October 2015 - 11:59 AM

I agree on the need to uphold a realistic appearance (and yes, I'm an older guy...), but I'm not sure that that's the real criteria for younger racers. Looks are very important to them, but not necessarily in the sense of realism - it could also be just a cool-looking car (like Thingies in the '60s). I think the number of kids who really appreciate realism is more of a minority, it's something that develops a bit later - within a wide range of aesthetic tastes, of course, like adults. 

 

Maybe there are regional differences. When I have younger kids come in it's all about the "cool car", the prepainted car and they don't want to work in sprockets or motors. They want to go fast but are not inclined to build.


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Posted 15 October 2015 - 12:22 PM

It's all the work and bodies Victor carried for all the vintage and Thingie crowds that were so cool!!!

 

Was going to see if he'd finished that Cukras Ferrari shell as really wanted to make a copy :D



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Posted 15 October 2015 - 12:30 PM

Regarding Michael's last two posts, consider the big picture worldwide.

 

The largest segment of the slot car industry for some time has been what I call 1/32 Europlastic cars. The numbers of these cars being manufactured dwarfs all other production slot cars and parts combined.

 

Now consider that this genre of slot racing combines very realistic appearance with a culture that largely frowns on performance modifications.

 

Based primarily on these facts, I'd suggest that realistic appearance is a much more important factor than most posting here seem to feel.


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Posted 15 October 2015 - 12:43 PM

I agree, Greg. The BRM brand of slot cars are gorgeous and VERY realistic. The price was way too high IMO for a Dad walking in to get his kid a slot car. That's why the JK RTRs, with their realistic look from the decaling do so well.

 

As for Victor's work, it is the best I have every seen. It is always a pleasure to paint one of them as I can actually see the detailing that needs to be done.


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Posted 15 October 2015 - 12:56 PM

Victor's vac-forms are as good as they get, no question.


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Posted 15 October 2015 - 01:04 PM

Way more people seriously race 1/32 Europlastic cars in their basement/garage, than commercial race, in the Chicago area.

Lower, or no fees, allow them to own both the #65 and #66 Chaparals. LOL.

As far as Michael's statement about kid's wanting good/realistic-looking cars, not around here, anyway.

Occasionally, you'll see a kid with a favorite NASCAR racer.

But, mostly if the main color is something they like, they are happy.


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Posted 15 October 2015 - 01:49 PM

I always figured that if my cars went fast enough, you weren't going to see the details anyway. With the hardbody club I now run at occasionally, my thinking is a bit different.


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Posted 16 October 2015 - 06:35 AM

Mike, I have some kids here that love the speed and winning at any cost too. But their peers are of the same generation that gets a fresh iPhone every two years at worst and refuses to ride in dads old beater because it's ugly.
I guess I'm not talking so much about the kids we have as the kids we don't. The 10-15 year old dreaming of his license and believing he can live off $500 a month.
Maybe it's because my place is still fairly new but I get a tremendous amount of fresh young faces. I've kept just a handful over the long term.
When they come in they're impressed with the tracks and the idea that they control the cars. They always gravitate towards my RTR cars that look a lot better than the table built barely painted local car that can scream around the track barely measuring any weight on the scales.
They do like speed. But Americans have always sacrificed performance for looks on the streets.
I'm not suggesting we change it all over. I'm suggesting we make sure to stock some great looking and realistic looking cars if we want to grab that impressionable young guy that isn't currently racing at our track.
It's a purely business sort of commitment. It does nothing to progress most of our priorities for performance on the track.
But a renter or young man racing helps keep the lights on and the hobby growing. Eventually they'll want to go faster. Looks, like when you date, is just the hook.
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Posted 16 October 2015 - 12:40 PM

Speaking for the your guys here I'm probably half your guys age if not younger. People my age love instant gratification they don't like to work on hard things or think for too long. Eye catching is generally what will draw them in. I see racers come and go monthly and it's sad some have potential but are too use to the instant result world we live in.

I can't imagine anyone that races weekly (Friday night families) doing a retro car. Too much time would need to be taken. I consider myself a rare breed. I like building I have 2 retro chassis on the bench for the fall brawl. I have hard body cars which is a time consumer in itself. 0282e2de0b31d0ffe975a808eb0aab00.jpgf1f5df6e7bf3cff63c4ac26273ad5083.jpg

But these cars took 10+ hours of time each to get to this point. I like to paint bodies and everyone says I'm nuts but to me it's a HOBBY. This is what I like to occupy my time with.

Seems like kids today have too many of the wrong types of hobbies. Video games aren't always a bad thing just a very different culture. Mostly a waste of time having ripped myself from it not to long ago made many friends but have literally nothing gained otherwise. With Slotcars in learning a lot. Physics, art, basic mechanical function, electric motor theory, and I actually research the cars depicted by the bodies I use.

I was raised by my parents not by the technology my parents gave me to shut me up. I was taught to speak to adults with respect and meaning. To speak loud enough to be heard and to shake a hand the right way. I don't see these qualities in many people my age and that I find sad.

Maybe I'm off topic maybe I covered it but I still want victors bodies!
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Posted 19 October 2015 - 07:26 AM

Joexmm, thanks for the input and I agree.
Our entire culture is built on throw away items rather than repair. TV repairman used to squat behind my parents console. Go to the trash dump and you'll see plasma screens with a wiring problem. Tossed and by another one.
My mother has her $60 Texas Instruments calculator with little red led numbers I can't see with the lights on. It does four functions.
Kids lose calculators today that would haves awed NASA 40 years ago.

I sell one RTR after another to the same people who simply have no interest in solder repairs. They will change a tire and MAYBE a body if it's preprinted.

Before we say we don't need that sort of racer.....remember it's all we've got.

Most know I'm a military guy. We've had to adjust to the change in young men. They join still needing 5 years of parenting. Almost to a person. E
We've had to adjust or just send them all home and have no Army at all.
Track owners, please get set to accommodate a group that has no desire to hardly even glue the tires. They just want to put it on the track and race. Experience here at Upstate is that they eventually grow into it and will work on the cars. But only if someone walks them through it. They are to insecure to just try it themselves.
We.....as in all of us older then them......raised them to just be happy with what's provided. We hand them everything. Even a trophy for losing.
So we.....have to teach them otherwise or "we" will be one racer away from closing our doors.
Adapt.....the 60s were awesome. And they were 50 years ago. Half a century. Slot car racing is different. But.....it is still here. So count blessings rather than yearn for the past. Teach these young guys to race and build cars. In that order. They want to race first and build later. Sorry.....that's how we raised them.
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Posted 19 October 2015 - 08:48 AM

Great analysis above. Personally, I'm one of the older guys who enjoys building and repairing. It's become a social function for my friends and me as we compare our construction. But I think you're right with the "instant gratification" point.

 

Which now begs the question: Which would be more profitable for track owners -- more expensive, durable slot cars or faster ones that are cheap enough to be tossed when they break?

 

Maybe there's a third option I'm not considering?


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Posted 19 October 2015 - 09:38 AM

I'll tell the crazy idea I'm playing with. I want to find a smaller commercial track free to a good home. Tape off the braids and paint with a texture paint then run the store bought home track 1:32 cars like carrera. Hopefully they will transition over to the traditional big track from there.
But first I need that free track to do the experiment.
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Posted 19 October 2015 - 11:24 AM

Interesting idea. I support any ideas that could bring new people into the full-blown world of slot cars.

I'll keep my ears open for you.


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Posted 19 October 2015 - 10:15 PM

Carrera are "full blown" slot cars at some clubs in Germany while Slot.it and NSR are raced at huge events in Spain and Italy.

That being said you might have more luck if you involve those guys in some hard body program but I like your idea. I think it's more about the lexan body and high speed that may turn some off. Do you have a flat track?

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Posted 20 October 2015 - 08:00 AM

Carrera are "full blown" slot cars at some clubs in Germany while Slot.it and NSR are raced at huge events in Spain and Italy.

That being said you might have more luck if you involve those guys in some hard body program but I like your idea. I think it's more about the lexan body and high speed that may turn some off. Do you have a flat track?


No I don't have a flat track. This is a new horizon for me but I'm eager to find an very affordable way to begin.
My capital was blown in a recent necessary rebuilding program. I'm still paying for that. And I'm launching a Retro and H.O. Program as well.
Just looking for when something comes available. I always hate finding out a great opportunity expired "yesterday"
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Michael Cannon Jr. wrote:

 

 

"Track owners, please get set to accommodate a group that has no desire to hardly even glue the tires. They just want to put it on the track and race. Experience here at Upstate is that they eventually grow into it and will work on the cars. But only if someone walks them through it. They are to insecure to just try it themselves.  
We.....as in all of us older then them......raised them to just be happy with what's provided. We hand them everything. Even a trophy for losing. 
So we.....have to teach them otherwise or "we" will be one racer away from closing our doors. 
Adapt.....the 60s were awesome. And they were 50 years ago. Half a century. Slot car racing is different. But.....it is still here. So count blessings rather than yearn for the past. Teach these young guys to race and build cars. In that order. They want to race first and build later. Sorry.....that's how we raised them."

 

Well, yes and no. Some love to build, even more than race, once they get started. Yes, that probably makes slot racing better. And I'm not saying you're wrong about the throw away, instant gratification generation. However, many racers just don't want to build cars. This preference was true in the 60s as well as now, just collect and race, and raceway owners need to find a way to accommodate these racers. Today, many of these collect and race people are the club racers of mostly plastic cars that Dennis is talking about above.

 

A lot of these Carrera, NSR, Selectrix, TRSF, and Slot-It (and more) racers only race in clubs. Without getting into the ever increasing lack of slot car raceways, why isn't there a greater presence of the biggest segment of all slot car racing at commercial tracks? Some raceway owners have said these racers don't want to come into commercial raceways for different reasons. I can think of a few.

 

One common reason said is that a commercial raceway is not a club atmosphere. But I have heard racers kid and joke the way they would in any club. Many clubs are in racers' houses, so they usual don't want it to get too crazy either. Cursing? I've heard plenty of that in raceways, too much, in fact. I wouldn't want people swearing like some do in my house. Drinking? Personally, I don't like to race while drinking. I fall off enough as it is. So what's it like when all the racers are? I would have a hard time saying that the people drinking and racing are really racing. And I don't want to race with people that are drinking. Not surprisingly, a good number of clubs have a no drinking while racing policy. Have a couple after the race. On the other hand, I find that some raceways are too much like a closed club and not all feel welcome. Owners need to do their most to make the raceway a fun place for everyone.

 

Some ask why should they go to a raceway when they can race at home. Well, people have home theater but still go to the movies. And that has mostly to do with the scale of participation: bigger, louder, surrounded by many people excited and enjoying the same experience. A raceway can give the same advantages of a movie theater. This special experience can only happen, however, if what is expected of the participants is clear. And clarity results from excellent communicaton. Most people know how to act in a movie theater, and when they don't the movie is not enjoyable for others. So rules (especially race rules) at a slot car track must be explicitly posted, conveyed, and fairly enforced in a timely manner. Also, while playful fun is encouraged, regulars should never act like they own the place (Again, it's not a club). Respectful reminders should be given as needed.

 

Some club racers believe that racing at a commercial raceway is more expensive than home. But people are willing to pay for something they can't get at home. Racing at a commercial track is larger experience than racing at home and similar or lower in cost to other entertainment experiences. And track time is not expensive when compared to the price of a movie that often includes pop, popcorn, and candy (and other entertainment).  

 

Other plastic car racers may think they are not wanted because they haven't bought anything at the raceway. But owners need to show how happy they are having the racers there. People in the store creates a buzz, increasing other sales and track time purchases. Also shop owners should realize that having a loss leader or two are a good way to stimulate other business in the store. It is best to think of plastic car customers as long term investments (Just remember that you have to give just enough attention to them, and not ignore the person that's buying. A friendly smile and getting to know a name goes a long way.). Mostly you won't sell much at first to these racers because they shop the internet. But sales are made mostly because people like and trust the person selling. When trust is earned people are more willing to spend a few extra dollars. 

 

Mostly, the plastic car racers are into how the cars look. Some make modifications to make them faster and some don't. Another difficulty is that some of these folks race with magnets, some don't, some do both. And many of them own lots of cars. If you can make them feel welcome enough to have their big races on your track that will add more members to your racing community. And the more people at the track the better (feel the buzz). Many of these cars are faster than what we raced in the 60s, so why wouldn't they want to get out of the basements with their 40'-65' tracks and race on a 145' hillclimb? It doesn't necessarily have to be a flat track although that is what many of them are used to. The problem would be that they may be used to running different types of tires with no glue and you would have figure out how to deal with that. That can be worked out with the club leaders.

 

So, it isn't completely true that today's culture is the reason that people don't want to repair and build and that is something we must teach them to do. There have always been those that just aren't interested. There are thousands of cars from the heyday of the 60s that show little or no modification or repair.  Sure, a good number will get into it if shown how. But go slowly. Minds are changed by an evolution of thought not a revolution. Also, please do not forget, or look down on those who only want to race toy cars. These folks have always been a large segment of slot car racers. The builders, even though they spend more money and are often thought more highly of, should not be privileged over those that do not build. Moreover, don't expect many of them to evolve into builders because that is a different type of racer. Try too hard to change them and one may drive them away.  It might be wise for track owners to find room for them at their raceways. There always seemed time for them in the 60s.

 

Michael, a nice flat track will eventually come available close to you. You can run ISRA and Retro cars as well as the plastic ones. But you might want to ring up Jim Honeycutt or look at some of his old threads because he believes magnetic braid is the way to go. It certainly helps new racers, young and old, to stay on the track. It also gives more racing class options. A more cost effective and perhaps easier way than rebraiding may be to paint the track surface with, metal infused, magnetic paint. That is what some of the club guys do with their home built tracks.

 

Michael, this is not directed particularly at you (except the flat track paragraph), in fact, I think you are very concerned about having a raceway that is welcoming and fun for all. It is more directed at those who feel that the builder's way is the way to slot car revival. But the builders, while pushing boundaries forward and making some great looking stuff, have always been just one of the many levels of slot car racing. I just think that owners need to get as many racers as possible to the track. There is no easy fix to what ails slot car racing.

 

What does this have to do with TrueScale products? Only that many are concerned with the way slot cars look--a lot! Victor come back! (When you have time.)



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Posted 20 October 2015 - 08:19 PM

I race plastic chassis cars like Slot.it and NSR and they run great on a flat commercial track with weight, sponge tires and suspension. No need for magnetic braid. I don't like to race them on banked tracks because with the increased speed there is more chance of damage.

I race in a club as well but the cars actually run better on the commercial track.

I also run 1/24 Scaleauto plastic body/metal chassis and they handle wonderfully on the track.

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Posted 20 October 2015 - 08:23 PM

Phil, I don't disagree except maybe the proportion of builders in the 60s was much larger than now but we can't go back and measure that so its just conjecture.
Tell me more about this flat track.
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