Jump to content




Photo

Howie's amazing 1967 Arco coupe/sports car


  • Please log in to reply
247 replies to this topic

#51 SlotStox#53

SlotStox#53

    Posting Leader

  • Subscriber
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 4,014 posts
  • Joined: 13-March 13
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:TX

Posted 21 July 2015 - 11:05 AM

Now that's a good supply of bodies!!

Notice some Lancer and Russkit boxes, too.   :D One day I will have a stash like that.   :good:






#52 Bill from NH

Bill from NH

    Age scrubs away speed!

  • Full Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 9,083 posts
  • Joined: 02-August 07
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:New Boston, NH

Posted 21 July 2015 - 12:51 PM

Paul, if you want a stash like that, you'd better buy a vac machine and start pulling. :)


Bill Fernald
 

How old should a highway be before you tell it, that it has been adopted?


#53 Pablo

Pablo

    Builder

  • Subscriber
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 13,410 posts
  • Joined: 20-February 06
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Johnson Bayou, Mississippi Gulf Coast

Posted 21 July 2015 - 01:17 PM

Capt. Rick, I see a speck of tire dust on a rim in post #47, highly unsat.  :laugh2:

 

Ultra sano wheels and donuts - it just can't get any more perfect than that.    :heart:


Paul Wolcott

#54 dc-65x

dc-65x

    Grand Champion Poster

  • Subscriber
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 5,141 posts
  • Joined: 14-February 06
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Captain Rick: The only vintage slot car nut in SW Oregon?

Posted 21 July 2015 - 01:26 PM

Busted!   :shok:    It's amazing the things you can see in these enlarged pictures. I took them as soon as I finished grinding the tires.

 

No worries, Pablo, I "put the buff " to those wheels. :crazy:


Rick Thigpen
Check out Steve Okeefe's great web site at its new home here at Slotblog:
The Independent Scratchbuilder
There's much more to come...


#55 Pablo

Pablo

    Builder

  • Subscriber
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 13,410 posts
  • Joined: 20-February 06
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Johnson Bayou, Mississippi Gulf Coast

Posted 21 July 2015 - 01:30 PM

You can't see the dust on my wheels because I'm too lazy to use a tripod.  :laugh2:

 

IMG_6273.JPG


  • James Fetherolf likes this
Paul Wolcott

#56 Howie Ursaner

Howie Ursaner

    Checkered Flag in Hand

  • Full Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,306 posts
  • Joined: 01-March 07
  • Gender:Male

Posted 21 July 2015 - 03:58 PM

Hi Rick,

 

Tom Hansen saw the pic of the bracket and bushings and said the bushings go in the other way LOL?? I did not look at it...


  • James Fetherolf likes this
Howie Ursaner

#57 dc-65x

dc-65x

    Grand Champion Poster

  • Subscriber
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 5,141 posts
  • Joined: 14-February 06
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Captain Rick: The only vintage slot car nut in SW Oregon?

Posted 21 July 2015 - 04:15 PM

Well... step 1 in the Morrissey build article says, "... take a Russkit 495 bracket and insert oilte bushings with tubing on the outside for the desired spacing".

 

Isn't that what I'm showing? :unknw:


  • S.O. Watt likes this

Rick Thigpen
Check out Steve Okeefe's great web site at its new home here at Slotblog:
The Independent Scratchbuilder
There's much more to come...


#58 S.O. Watt

S.O. Watt

    Graduate Bench Racer

  • Full Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,092 posts
  • Joined: 24-June 06
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Seattle, WA

Posted 21 July 2015 - 04:57 PM

Well, even Mike wasn't the perfect English writer.

 

"take a Russkit 495 bracket and insert oilte bushings into tubing on the outside for the desired spacing" is a little better at expressing the intent.

 

 

If you look at many the pix off the MCJ DVDs you'll see the flanges outboard next to the rims. Logic would almost dictate that as a piece of tubing doesn't work that well as a thrust bearing, at least not like bushing or bearing. We hogged out the holes and placed a piece of tubing across the bracket, soldered it, then cut out the middle to allow a gear to be installed. Earlier chassis were built that way sometimes, but it became prevalent for outboard position when we switched over to ball bearings from bushings.

 

 

It helped that I built these things back then, usually after attending the all night poker game after the LA races  :)

 

its all good and I'm sure this car will be over the top.

 

Well........step 1 in the Morrissey build article says, "........take a Russkit 495 bracket and insert oilte bushings with tubing on the outside for the desired spacing". Isn't that what I'm showing? :unknw:


Tom Hansen
Our Gang Racing Team
Cukras Enterprises

Team Camen

Chassis By Hansen

I race and shop at Pacific Slot Car Raceway


#59 dc-65x

dc-65x

    Grand Champion Poster

  • Subscriber
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 5,141 posts
  • Joined: 14-February 06
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Captain Rick: The only vintage slot car nut in SW Oregon?

Posted 21 July 2015 - 05:25 PM

Hi Tom,
 

We hogged out the holes and placed a piece of tubing across the bracket, soldered it, then cut out the middle to allow a gear to be installed.

 
That's the way I build them, too. That's not what Mike is showing. I don't have Howie's chassis to hold in my hand and copy. You know, this is why I stopped trying to copy existing cars. :dash2: I'm having second thoughts...  :wacko2:
 
Look at picture 2 in the build article.
 
MCJ%20V1N3%20p4%20-%20Copy.jpg
 
You can see a big hole in the outside tube and a bearing on the opposite side. I think Mike may have used a flange-less Champion oilite bearing. I thought what looks like a bearing flange on the outside of the tube on Howie's chassis was a flat washer soldered to the tube.
 
I'm hoping Howie would take a look and chime in on what he did...


Rick Thigpen
Check out Steve Okeefe's great web site at its new home here at Slotblog:
The Independent Scratchbuilder
There's much more to come...


#60 S.O. Watt

S.O. Watt

    Graduate Bench Racer

  • Full Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,092 posts
  • Joined: 24-June 06
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Seattle, WA

Posted 21 July 2015 - 07:59 PM

Yes, while both methods were used, the way Mike showed I would consider a shortcut or just using the older style. As soon as I knew about adding tubing and bushings (beyond just tubing originally), they went outboard. I must have been influenced by my dad.

 

Howie is the only person that may know how it was built, but with his memory about as good as mine...  :o .

 

That may mean next time he's out here visiting for two weeks we either use the Way Back Machine, or maybe hypnosis?  :good:

 

Ohh, and adding those pieces really did help prevent chatter. When I do my '68 chassis, I'll be bringing forth something Bryan Warmack and I believed in.  ^_^


Tom Hansen
Our Gang Racing Team
Cukras Enterprises

Team Camen

Chassis By Hansen

I race and shop at Pacific Slot Car Raceway


#61 dc-65x

dc-65x

    Grand Champion Poster

  • Subscriber
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 5,141 posts
  • Joined: 14-February 06
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Captain Rick: The only vintage slot car nut in SW Oregon?

Posted 21 July 2015 - 08:06 PM

Maybe the information I need to make a "clone" type tribute car just isn't available. It was a long time ago. I honestly don't remember most of the cars I built back then much less the details of them.


Rick Thigpen
Check out Steve Okeefe's great web site at its new home here at Slotblog:
The Independent Scratchbuilder
There's much more to come...


#62 tonyp

tonyp

    Grand Champion Poster

  • Subscriber
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 13,952 posts
  • Joined: 12-February 07
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Sanford, FL, land of lizards and big roaches

Posted 22 July 2015 - 06:24 AM

I remember maybe it was Dynamic that made a bushing that was cut down on the end to plug right into the Russkit bracket so no tube was needed.


"And if my thought-dreams could be seen they'd probably put my head in a guillotine. But it's alright, Ma, it's life, and life only." - Dylan

1965 "Evil Bucks Racer" Team
Revtech Team Trinity
Retro East co-founder
American King track single lap world record holder & 40 minute total lap record
First IM Nationals Champion
Arco Champion
Car Model Magazine Series Amateur Champion
2016 ORS Anglewinder Constructors Championsh
ip


#63 TSR

TSR

    The Dokktor is IN

  • Full Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 41,618 posts
  • Joined: 02-February 06
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Mexifornia

Posted 22 July 2015 - 10:00 AM

Tony, you are correct, it was Dynamic, and also Classic made some that were machined from brass, while the Dynamic were sintered bronze powder.

 

Rick, if you need some, get hold of me and I will send you a set.



#64 Dennis David

Dennis David

    Posting Leader

  • Subscriber
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 3,377 posts
  • Joined: 05-April 06
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:SF Bay Area

Posted 22 July 2015 - 10:44 AM

I would suggest a combination of Ginger Baker, lava lamps, and some self-medication to jog the memory cells.


  • Cheater likes this

Dennis David
    
curb-line2.jpg
 
gph_sm.jpg
   


#65 dc-65x

dc-65x

    Grand Champion Poster

  • Subscriber
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 5,141 posts
  • Joined: 14-February 06
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Captain Rick: The only vintage slot car nut in SW Oregon?

Posted 22 July 2015 - 11:29 AM

Howie PM'd me that he's, "working on the needed details." So I'm on hold...

 

If I had Howie's chassis in my hands I could make a virtually exact clone. Since I don't, what's important to me is that I make a chassis, make the entire car that Howie likes. If he doesn't remember some detail I'd like to do it the way he'd like it done today.

 

Onward!  :)


  • MSwiss and Samiam like this

Rick Thigpen
Check out Steve Okeefe's great web site at its new home here at Slotblog:
The Independent Scratchbuilder
There's much more to come...


#66 Samiam

Samiam

    Posting Leader

  • Full Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 4,660 posts
  • Joined: 18-January 12
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Long Island, NY

Posted 22 July 2015 - 01:08 PM

It was the '60s so memories may be a little clouded. :smoking:
  • Howie Ursaner and Half Fast like this
Sam Levitch
 
"If you have integrity, nothing else matters, and if you do not have integrity, nothing else matters."
     Robert Mueller, special counsel (2013)

#67 Dennis David

Dennis David

    Posting Leader

  • Subscriber
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 3,377 posts
  • Joined: 05-April 06
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:SF Bay Area

Posted 22 July 2015 - 06:52 PM

Rick

 

I agree that what's important is that it's done in the "spirit" of the car. We'll all cheer for that.


Dennis David
    
curb-line2.jpg
 
gph_sm.jpg
   


#68 dc-65x

dc-65x

    Grand Champion Poster

  • Subscriber
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 5,141 posts
  • Joined: 14-February 06
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Captain Rick: The only vintage slot car nut in SW Oregon?

Posted 22 July 2015 - 09:03 PM

Guys,

We have pictures from Howie and Sandy. I'll post them soon. I haven't done this lately but after seeing them this seems appropriate.
 
WEEE!!!
 
:laugh2:
  • endbelldrive and SlotStox#53 like this

Rick Thigpen
Check out Steve Okeefe's great web site at its new home here at Slotblog:
The Independent Scratchbuilder
There's much more to come...


#69 endbelldrive

endbelldrive

    Checkered Flag in Hand

  • Subscriber
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,740 posts
  • Joined: 16-February 06
  • Location:Witless Protection Program

Posted 22 July 2015 - 09:08 PM

Ron Hershman posted this photo from the Can-Am race HERE.

post-4-044873800 1285600860.jpg
  • James Fetherolf likes this
Bob Suzuki

#70 SlotStox#53

SlotStox#53

    Posting Leader

  • Subscriber
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 4,014 posts
  • Joined: 13-March 13
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:TX

Posted 22 July 2015 - 10:02 PM

Sounds like the pictures have given you the info you need, Rick. :D

Is it safe to say "Onward"?

#71 dc-65x

dc-65x

    Grand Champion Poster

  • Subscriber
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 5,141 posts
  • Joined: 14-February 06
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Captain Rick: The only vintage slot car nut in SW Oregon?

Posted 23 July 2015 - 09:50 AM

Howie send me some pictures Sandy took of the chassis he still has:
 
sandy1.jpg
 
sandy2.jpg
 
Here is what Howie said about the rear bracket-bearing setup:
 

RIck, I got some pics from Sandy. The bushings are on the inside and the holes are opened up with the tubes over the bushing barrel. The wheel end had washers soldered on one of his chassis and the others have open tubes and we both think he used washers unsoldered. I like the soldered on washers... I never expected to see this but here it is.

 
In other words, the bearings are setup just the way Mike Morrissey described in his build article and the way I originally showed:
 

... With the rear wheels finalized I could set up the rear bracket for a 3" track width. The Russkit bracket was reamed to 3/16" for the Dynamic bearings, 7/32" brass tubes will be slipped over them...
 
Ursaner%20Sports%20Car%207.jpg

 
Here's another look at Howie's chassis showing the bearing flanges on the inside and a washer soldered over the tube on the outside. That's what I'll be doing, too:
 
MCJ%20V1N2%20p7-chassis%20top.jpg
 
OK, there we are. Now I hope this project can get back on track.
 
Time for an "onward", Paul!  :dance3:
  • endbelldrive likes this

Rick Thigpen
Check out Steve Okeefe's great web site at its new home here at Slotblog:
The Independent Scratchbuilder
There's much more to come...


#72 endbelldrive

endbelldrive

    Checkered Flag in Hand

  • Subscriber
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,740 posts
  • Joined: 16-February 06
  • Location:Witless Protection Program

Posted 23 July 2015 - 11:36 AM

Here is one more shot of Sandy's frame.

1967 10 Gross.jpg
Bob Suzuki

#73 Half Fast

Half Fast

    Keeper Of Odd Knowledge

  • Subscriber
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,946 posts
  • Joined: 02-May 07
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:NYC, Long Island

Posted 23 July 2015 - 12:24 PM

Further to Howie's story in post #1. The prize giver seems less than thrilled to give him his moola! :)
 
post-4-057352500%201285600881.jpg
 
Cheers,
 
PS: Love those pinball lap counters.

Bill Botjer

Faster then, wiser now.

The most dangerous form of ignorance is not knowing that you don't know anything!

 

 

 
 

#74 dc-65x

dc-65x

    Grand Champion Poster

  • Subscriber
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 5,141 posts
  • Joined: 14-February 06
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Captain Rick: The only vintage slot car nut in SW Oregon?

Posted 27 July 2015 - 06:58 PM

I've made some progress on the rear end.
 

... Can you tell from pics of my car if the rear loop brace is brass or steel. I see Sandy has all steel and I am questioning mine. It does have a brass look but you might get a better view.


I told Howie it looks like brass to me also. But we'll never know for sure. So this is a case where "Howie gets whatever Howie wants." :D
 

I think the secret to the car is probably the brass rear brace. It was so much more flexi but not a very good brace LOL.


Brass it is then:
 
1%20005_1.jpg
 
Steel thrust washers are soldered onto the bearing tubes also per Howie's preference:
 
1%20006.jpg
 
And finally, here's Howie's original bracing on the motor mounting area of the motor bracket:
 
MCJ%20V1N2%20p7-3.jpg
 
And my attempt at recreating it:
 
1%20003_1.jpg

Howie, any decision on the body? :)
 

scan0234.jpg
 
Here is a vintage butyrate plastic Dynamic Mirage:
 
Ursaner%20Sports%20Car%201.jpg
 
Vintage butyrate plastic Dynamic McLaren Mk 3:
 
Ursaner%20Sports%20Car%202.jpg
 
TrueScale Lexan reproduction Dynamic McLaren Mk 6:
 
Ursaner%20Sports%20Car%203.jpg
 
TrueScale Lexan reproduction Dynamic Lola T70:
 
Ursaner%20Sports%20Car%204.jpg
 
This is the later version of the Lola T70 that Dynamic introduced a month or so after the Arco Nats. The main difference from the rare first generation version is a slightly longer nose.


  • endbelldrive likes this

Rick Thigpen
Check out Steve Okeefe's great web site at its new home here at Slotblog:
The Independent Scratchbuilder
There's much more to come...


#75 Tim Wilkins

Tim Wilkins

  • Subscriber
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,054 posts
  • Joined: 22-February 13
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Northridge, CA

Posted 27 July 2015 - 07:40 PM

Almost impossible to find a NOS Mirage Dynamic handling body these days.  


"If everything seems under control, you're not going fast enough" - Mario Andretti






Electric Dreams Online Shop