Jump to content




Photo

Cool-looking but failures nonetheless


  • Please log in to reply
7 replies to this topic

#1 tonyp

tonyp

    Grand Champion Poster

  • Subscriber
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 13,481 posts
  • Joined: 12-February 07
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Sanford, FL, land of lizards and big roaches

Posted 25 July 2015 - 01:14 PM

These are in the other thread but were failures. This was the era of totally unlimited glue and they were all designed with the idea of getting through the glue better. Fred Strauss and I were alway willing to try anything in the quest for that "magic" chassis in our battles with the Camen crew.

Steel Puzzle Pan the motor pod rattles around like the original one built years before by Sandy Gross. It ran OK but nothing special; I doubt we ever raced it.
 
1tp.jpg

2tp.jpg

The Starship. Again it was OK. I know Fred raced it a few times, but it was no better than a straight rail centersection. I think the biggest problem was it was just too stiff.
 
3tp.jpg

4tp.jpg

The Panzer. The idea was super stiff, keep the weight out wide and not effected by the body which was supported by those light pans. Since we were running with the front tires not touching, the front axle is in an over-sized tube and just rattles around. The concept of letting the body move without effecting the chassis is the basis of my Aero chassis I built for Retro. Not sure how it ran, but I know we never built another one in any form. lOL.
 
5tp.jpg

6tp.jpg

"And if my thought-dreams could be seen they'd probably put my head in a guillotine. But it's alright, Ma, it's life, and life only." - Dylan

1965 "Evil Bucks Racer" Team
Revtech Team Trinity
Noose Painted Bodies
Retro East co-founder
American King track single lap world record holder & 40 minute total lap record
First IM Nationals Champion
Arco Champion
Car Model Magazine Series Amateur Champion
2016 ORS Anglewinder Constructors Championsh
ip





#2 Half Fast

Half Fast

    Keeper Of Odd Knowledge

  • Subscriber
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,676 posts
  • Joined: 02-May 07
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:NYC, Long Island

Posted 25 July 2015 - 01:20 PM

Tony-
 
Very Interesting!
 
Cheers,

Bill Botjer

Faster then, wiser now


#3 tonyp

tonyp

    Grand Champion Poster

  • Subscriber
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 13,481 posts
  • Joined: 12-February 07
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Sanford, FL, land of lizards and big roaches

Posted 25 July 2015 - 04:09 PM

Here is an early F1 failure.

593acf9dcf4b51925abbc687ff023ec3.jpg

871acb07c3a8b500dc4b4bfed736e5f2.jpg

382971bc42e6f4899f684336c3fdc442.jpg

e8d60ecb84234754f515b6b42eb08b40.jpg

573069d957d6a7fae7b173f0e019cb2c.jpg

22e033dcb2b232555ee2f3ba91d13c37.jpg

Tried an Iso-fulcrum I think for a second F1 for myself. Ran it about 10 laps at Zepplin on the Hillclimb, put it in my box, and the next day desoldered it for parts.

"And if my thought-dreams could be seen they'd probably put my head in a guillotine. But it's alright, Ma, it's life, and life only." - Dylan

1965 "Evil Bucks Racer" Team
Revtech Team Trinity
Noose Painted Bodies
Retro East co-founder
American King track single lap world record holder & 40 minute total lap record
First IM Nationals Champion
Arco Champion
Car Model Magazine Series Amateur Champion
2016 ORS Anglewinder Constructors Championsh
ip


#4 tonyp

tonyp

    Grand Champion Poster

  • Subscriber
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 13,481 posts
  • Joined: 12-February 07
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Sanford, FL, land of lizards and big roaches

Posted 25 July 2015 - 04:12 PM

This F1 built at the same time was even worse.

0ecfc994bd44aa0c8d6b4a1190a8825c.jpg

79a126a09cb040ccb51b9406c2a912d6.jpg

"And if my thought-dreams could be seen they'd probably put my head in a guillotine. But it's alright, Ma, it's life, and life only." - Dylan

1965 "Evil Bucks Racer" Team
Revtech Team Trinity
Noose Painted Bodies
Retro East co-founder
American King track single lap world record holder & 40 minute total lap record
First IM Nationals Champion
Arco Champion
Car Model Magazine Series Amateur Champion
2016 ORS Anglewinder Constructors Championsh
ip


#5 tonyp

tonyp

    Grand Champion Poster

  • Subscriber
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 13,481 posts
  • Joined: 12-February 07
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Sanford, FL, land of lizards and big roaches

Posted 25 July 2015 - 04:18 PM

This Can-Am was not as much a failure as it was just too damn heavy. Front tires are mounted on pans and I still was not convinced yet the softer fronts worked better than the '60s vinyl.

1b23dcac8d503c2a75900747e63eca6a.jpg

fc3f6bf3911817e67a00bf71075a4b7a.jpg

70531272fcccf87ac0c44c3726d4560c.jpg

3517d3bbff1ab83e115329b01754b001.jpg

"And if my thought-dreams could be seen they'd probably put my head in a guillotine. But it's alright, Ma, it's life, and life only." - Dylan

1965 "Evil Bucks Racer" Team
Revtech Team Trinity
Noose Painted Bodies
Retro East co-founder
American King track single lap world record holder & 40 minute total lap record
First IM Nationals Champion
Arco Champion
Car Model Magazine Series Amateur Champion
2016 ORS Anglewinder Constructors Championsh
ip


#6 Eddie Fleming

Eddie Fleming

    Race Leader

  • Full Member
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 715 posts
  • Joined: 27-April 14
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Fayetteville, GA

Posted 25 July 2015 - 05:31 PM

Are you convinced about the softer fronts now or do we just run them because that is what is required?


Eddie Fleming

#7 tonyp

tonyp

    Grand Champion Poster

  • Subscriber
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 13,481 posts
  • Joined: 12-February 07
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Sanford, FL, land of lizards and big roaches

Posted 25 July 2015 - 06:20 PM

Cars run better with the foam fronts. The front of the chassis doesn't seem to hunt with them. John Gorski did an afternoon of blind tests back when Retro started and the foam fronts were always faster.

I wonder now if those cars back in the day would have been faster also.

"And if my thought-dreams could be seen they'd probably put my head in a guillotine. But it's alright, Ma, it's life, and life only." - Dylan

1965 "Evil Bucks Racer" Team
Revtech Team Trinity
Noose Painted Bodies
Retro East co-founder
American King track single lap world record holder & 40 minute total lap record
First IM Nationals Champion
Arco Champion
Car Model Magazine Series Amateur Champion
2016 ORS Anglewinder Constructors Championsh
ip


#8 tonyp

tonyp

    Grand Champion Poster

  • Subscriber
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 13,481 posts
  • Joined: 12-February 07
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Sanford, FL, land of lizards and big roaches

Posted 25 July 2015 - 06:22 PM

Maybe on a punched King track there would be no difference but every time I had gone back through the years to a rock-hard front on a standard King or Hillclimb the rock-hard front was slower. Wonder rubber seems to be a perfect combination.

"And if my thought-dreams could be seen they'd probably put my head in a guillotine. But it's alright, Ma, it's life, and life only." - Dylan

1965 "Evil Bucks Racer" Team
Revtech Team Trinity
Noose Painted Bodies
Retro East co-founder
American King track single lap world record holder & 40 minute total lap record
First IM Nationals Champion
Arco Champion
Car Model Magazine Series Amateur Champion
2016 ORS Anglewinder Constructors Championsh
ip






Electric Dreams Online Shop