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#26 Eddie Fleming

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Posted 06 August 2015 - 05:53 PM

 

Hey Eddie .... did you happen to see where my wheel went.... :dash2:  :laugh2:  

 

Yea Bob I put it in my pocket so you could not get restarted.  :laugh2:

 

We have a local wheelchair racer and everyone helps him out with lane changes controller moves and whatever. We are all getting older so a little extra time between lanes is not a bad thing.  We are not as swift as we once were when corner working ether, so while I do not like unnecessary track calls I can sometimes appreciate a break when I have most of the cars off in my corner.

 

I am sure many of you have raced RC. When the clock starts it stops for nothing!


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Posted 06 August 2015 - 05:55 PM

If I could I would "like" Raisins comment more than just once. Track calls need to be kept to a minimum so as not to penalize the drivers still in the slot. I have been one of the cars in a huge furball of cars that seemed to take forever to be put back in the slot. It is painful. But that's no reason to punish those still running.
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Posted 06 August 2015 - 06:42 PM

Raisin, I hope that your car then is the one on the floor that then gets stepped on , rather than stopping the action to let the marshal cope with the problem...  I have seen it happen that if the Race Director had not shouted and stopped the action, someone's car might have gotten completely destroyed because of being stepped on or run over by a chair on wheels.  

 

And, also take into account, I have seen it many times that a car that has stopped for the wreck waiting for it to clear, and then the marshal inadvertently picks the car up to shuffle him to the end of the put on line.   Or, when you are clear and the marshal puts his hand down on the track to reach an inside lane and hits your completely in the slot car, only to total it or knock it out of the slot.   Never saw a marshal repair anyone's car that he has now destroyed......

 

I would rather race with a race director and marshals that look out for the equipment over a brief blip in the race.   If you can not spend the time at the track, maybe consider a different hobby.....Just my opinion 


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Posted 06 August 2015 - 07:47 PM

Can this topic turn into an argument ?

Already has.


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Posted 06 August 2015 - 07:58 PM

What we need to do is just give everyone a trophy for showing up and not even keep track of the laps. That way we are all winners. 


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Posted 06 August 2015 - 08:33 PM

Ok Butch remember handicaped is club anybody can join at any time. It isn't like I asked for an unfair advantage. Your response is called a straw man argument where you change from what is being discussed to something else.


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Posted 06 August 2015 - 08:36 PM

What happens when there is liberal track calls, racers just drive 11/10's, because there isn't enough downside (to driving recklessly).

The floor, in a reasonably accessible spot is not a track call.

But I do believe, marshals shouldn't have to dive under pit tables, etc.

IOW, risk injury.

As far as lengthening heats, I think one is better leaving it alone and letting the race director pause the intermission if it's a case of someone can only move so fast, and doesn't have someone to pit his car.

It seems silly to lengthen the intermission if there is 8 able body racers in the race.
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Posted 06 August 2015 - 09:06 PM

Ok Butch remember handicaped is club anybody can join at any time. It isn't like I asked for an unfair advantage. Your response is called a straw man argument where you change from what is being discussed to something else.

Mike, I don't know that I did change the subject to something else. I stated that I think two minutes is plenty of time and why I think it is plenty of time.

 

My facetious comment about giving everyone a trophy for just showing up was not directed at you, that's what parents do now-a-days so little Johnny's feelings don't get hurt. But that's not the real world and that's not racing.


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Posted 07 August 2015 - 12:51 AM

Crash and burn'em - that'll learn'em  :o

 

I thought this was headed for a 'heated debate' on how much time and effort can be saved by not oiling 'too much' ... especially the darn endbell side. :dash2:

 

Hey .... does oil on the brushes cause the dreaded FK surge?  :shok:  :bomb:

 

The more time you get between heats, the more oil you use, bad for the environment. ^_^   :laugh2:  


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Posted 07 August 2015 - 01:17 AM

Given our general increase in age and girth 2.5 minutes between lane changes seems reasonable.

 

I don't see a need to return to your box to pit a retro car but then I have learned to carry a well equipped small pit box to take care of most problems I might encounter with the car. Other than that it is just move the control, change the sticker and clean the braid.

 

In friendly weekly racing, where we are trying to encourage racers to join and keep racing, one of the worst things that can happen is for a car to be destroyed by an excited, relatively inexperienced marshal stepping on a car. I think the primary reason for a track call in such racing is to protect the cars. I know a car on the floor can usually be marshaled but why take a chance? Save the strict marshaling guidelines for the major races. We do not have racers lined up outside the doors and down the street waiting to race. A few negative experiences and they don't come back. 

 

Stopping the timer to fix a car or during the race or lane change, I think we need a little common sense guidelines and these things end up being hard to be consistent with because of the subjectiveness. My feeling is that if you need a soldering iron to fix it we don't wait. If you break a lead wire or clip we race. A lose crown or spur you get to tighten it. If you tear a body pin mount just tape the body to the pan and race until the lane change.

 

Some places give the racers one 3 minute mechanical timeout. Of course we all know the difficulty is remaining consistent and you will always get the "You waited for him" whine but such is slot car racing.

 

Some of the most fun racing for me has been what we call marshal your own and the timer never stops. The race is always completed on time but the younger guys have quite an advantage as they can scoot around the track faster. Keep it in the slot and you never  have to marshal your own car.


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Posted 07 August 2015 - 05:03 AM

I am sorry that this topic turned into a mess. I was merely pointing out that some of us don't get around like we used to.  Sometimes two minutes to walk to the other side of a large track to retrieve my car, change a lane sticker, add some braid juice, then get it back on the track and get my but back to the driver station is a chore. That's all I do between lane changes.  I don't run back to my box or anything else.

 

I am happy that some of you guys are able to get around more quickly as you got older, but to some of us life as not been as kind, but we still like to race and build, and I don't mind putting my builds into the hands of younger drivers to see what they actually will do.

 

Race on and have fun, and again, I apologize for being in anybody's way.


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Posted 07 August 2015 - 10:39 AM

If reducing the hour and half lunch break by half, and also adding 30 seconds to the lane change makes the race go a bit smoother for folks that maybe have bad knees or are "slower than they used to be" getting around the human traffic jam that appears at one or more pinch points, then why not?

 

Some folks won't tell you they have pain issues, or they get tired sooner in the day then they did five or ten years ago.

 

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Posted 07 August 2015 - 11:02 AM

Marshaling cars on the floor is not so easy for people with bad backs or knees.

 

I find the macho men who shout the floor or a multiple car pile up is not a track call, are the biggest whiners when their car falls off or crashes. Get over yourselves.

 

 

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Posted 07 August 2015 - 11:08 AM

Bill,
No need for name calling at racers who disagree with your opinion.


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Posted 07 August 2015 - 11:56 AM

Mike-

 

It wasn't meant as name calling to anyone here, I was merely recounting personal experience.

 

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Posted 07 August 2015 - 12:07 PM

Why is this thread in 'retro'? Doesn't getting old apply in other classes too?

 

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Posted 07 August 2015 - 12:18 PM

In reference to post #7: Tony, you are very welcome. It is my pleasure to help you out. (However, could you please keep the car in the slot!) just funning with you.


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Posted 07 August 2015 - 12:29 PM

Track calls: I think its fine for weekly races that you stop the race if someone is having a problem with their car. And have more track calls. However, for the bigger monthly races (here in Florida that would be the MySeries events and GRRR) I think that we need to have less track calls. At the present time I think we have too many track calls. makes for a much longer day. If there is a track call, the turn marshal should not spend time to fix the car, other than straighten out the braid. If there are other issues with the car, the driver needs to get the car and fix it while the heat continues. Its just part of racing. Its happened to me plenty of times.

 

I like the way things are done at Holly Hill. The special nature of the track requires Phil to hold up the start of the next heat sometimes because its difficult to get your car out of the infield or from the far side of the track.


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Posted 07 August 2015 - 12:48 PM

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Posted 07 August 2015 - 01:03 PM

Why is this thread in 'retro'? Doesn't getting old apply in other classes too?

 

Raise your hand if you ..... use your Hoffman box as a Soap Box. :victory:

Sounds like some of these guys may need specially reinforced Hoffmans. :D

And a step stool to get up on it. :laugh2:

I know I always look for a corner to marshal that I can do standing up. Knees just don't work like they used to.

 

Why is it in a Retro thread?....I'm guessing that is what Michael races.


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Posted 18 August 2015 - 10:47 PM

A wide butt and a big belly are an advantage. We can move all you skinny butt's and flat bellies out of our way.  :D  :laugh2:

 

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Posted 18 August 2015 - 10:48 PM

Crash and burn'em - that'll learn'em  :o

 

I thought this was headed for a 'heated debate' on how much time and effort can be saved by not oiling 'too much' ... especially the darn endbell side. :dash2:

 

Hey .... does oil on the brushes cause the dreaded FK surge?  :shok:  :bomb:

 

The more time you get between heats, the more oil you use, bad for the environment. ^_^   :laugh2:  

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Posted 17 September 2015 - 09:44 AM

Yes, if all 8 cars are off in the same corner it is not a track call. Track calls are unmarshalable cars or riders. A car on the floor is not an unmarshallable car unless it is out of reach. The biggest difference in racing I have noticed since returning from a 25 year hiatus is that now everything seems to be a track call. It is so frustrating when there is no penalty for deslotting and not fair at all to the racer who drives within his limits and stays in the slot.

if my car gets damaged because a 6 car wreck wasn't cleared or a track call wasn't made I probably will not be a happy camper.  I'll just put my controller across all the lanes while I go fix my car I guess.  We track call when there are more cars than arms, car on the floor, rider, car out of reach.  We have minimum track calls but we make them to save the equipment.  


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Posted 17 September 2015 - 10:30 AM

Why would you drive into a six car wreck?? Defensive diving will not only save your car but won't penalize everyone who didn't de-slot with an unneeded track call. Track calls are sometimes a necessary evil but not every time there is a crash. Most love track calls when their slammed against the wall but complain when their opponent gets one when he is out of the slot.

BTW....putting your controller across all the lanes is a very classy move. Very sportsman like.
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Posted 17 September 2015 - 12:11 PM

if my car gets damaged because a 6 car wreck wasn't cleared or a track call wasn't made I probably will not be a happy camper.  I'll just put my controller across all the lanes while I go fix my car I guess.  We track call when there are more cars than arms, car on the floor, rider, car out of reach.  We have minimum track calls but we make them to save the equipment.  

I agree with Vince, aren't we in the end supposed to be about sportsmanship and friendship, that is the reason Retro Racing became popular again.   If you have a few extra track calls, who cares?  If you want or need to win that badly, take up drag racing...No track calls there, and you can beat someone.   Many have lost sight of the reasons for racing, not simply for the competition, but to have a good time with friends and enjoying the friendly competition.  Screaming at turn marshals, who many times are older guys not in the best shape physically, cursing the race director, in the end, what does that get you, Satisfaction ???   Take a step back and look at why you are racing....Just my opinion, but I have seen too many people that when the green flag drops , they become complete A Holes


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