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Posted 04 October 2015 - 11:09 AM

Twenty-nine entries for IRRA®'s Premier class. Qualifying is underway, using the same 12 timed laps format that has been used at this event.

Second qualifier Ralph Thorne breaks the track record, setting the bar high for subsequent racers.

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Never forget that first place goes to the racer with the MOST laps, not the racer with the FASTEST lap





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Posted 04 October 2015 - 12:25 PM

Qualifying results:
 
1) Ralph Thorne - 4.289 sec - new Can-Am track record!
2) Greg Fox - 4.368
3) Howie Ursaner - 4.458
4) Mike "Raisin" Garrett - 4.466
5) Mike Swiss - 4.469
6) Ross Scharf - 4.473
7) Jeremy Wyant - 4.486
8) Tracy Chin - 4.514
9) Rick Distefano - 4.521
10) Kevin VanPelt - 4.584
11) John Miller - 4.593
12) Joe "Noose" Neumeister - 4.621
13) Dennis Clark - 4.624
14) Matt Sheldon - 4.634
15) Rick Stagen - 4.639
16) Dave Geehring - 4.642
17) Chuck Gambo - 4.670
18) Jerry "Boogieman" Wyant - 4.678
19) Guillermo Suar - 4.689
20) Eric Balicki - 4.711
21) Greg VanPeenen - 4.722
22) Dustin Senft - 4.731
23) Bill Fulmer - 4.781
24) Bernie Schatz - 4.782
25) Rowdy Walling - 4.788
26) Larry Kelley - 4.878
27) Rick Hill - 4.926
28) Forest Hoover - 4.940
29) Diana Dyckman - n/t


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Posted 04 October 2015 - 01:27 PM

Race format is as follows:

Top six qualifiers seed into the A Main, next six in the B Main, next six in the C Main. The bottom 11 qualifiers will race in a round-robin D Main, with two move-ups from each sub-main.

The D Main is starting up, with the sit-outs getting some warm-up laps before the starting eight racers get their warm-up.

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Posted 04 October 2015 - 03:01 PM

D Main results:

1) Eric Balicki - 285 laps, best time of 4.831 in green
2) Guillermo Suar - 283, 4.761 in blue
3) Bernie Schatz - 280, 4.740 in blue
4) Dustin Senft - 279, 4.852 in blue
5) Greg VanPeenen - 278, 4.702 in orange
6) Bill Fulmer - 272, 4.854 in orange
7) Rowdy Walling - 264, 4.857 in yellow
8) Rick Hill - 263, 4.935 in blue
9) Forest Hoover - 257, 4.962 in orange
10) Diana Dyckman - 249, 4.962 in blue
11) Larry Kelley - 240, 5.199 in yellow

Eric and Guillermo will move-up to the C Main.

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Posted 04 October 2015 - 04:00 PM

C Main results:

1) Dennis Clark - 291 laps, best time of 4.621 secs in blue
2) Chuck Gambo - 286, 4.692 in yellow
3) Jerry "Boogieman" Wyant - 284, 4.754 in yellow
4) Dave Geehring - 283, 4.627 in blue
5) Matt Sheldon - 281, 4.712 in orange
6) Guillermo Suar - 279, 4.702 in blue
7) Eric Balicki - 255, 4.761 green
8) Rick Stagen - 133, 4.743 in orange

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Posted 04 October 2015 - 04:49 PM

B Main results:

1) Joe "Noose" Neumeister - 288 laps, best time of 4.643 secs in yellow
2) Kevin VanPelt - 288, 4.695 in green
3) Chuck Gambo - 286, 4.738 in blue
4) John Miller - 284, 4.725 in blue
5) Dennis Clark - 281, 4.703 in blue
6) Rick Distefano - 279, 4.701 blue
7) Tracy Chin - 257, 4.605 in purple
8) Jeremy Wyant - 197, 4.576 in orange

Noose and Kevin will advance to the A Main.

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Posted 04 October 2015 - 06:02 PM

A Main results:

1) Greg Fox - 309 laps, best time of 4.450 in green
2) Ralph Thorne - 307, 4.452 in purple
3) Mike Swiss - 300, 4.551 in blue
4) Mike "Raisin" Garrett - 298, 4.558 in blue
5) Ross Scharf - 297, 4.564 in blue
6) Kevin VanPelt - 296, 4.582 in blue
7) Howie Ursaner - 296, 4.607 in blue
8) Joe "Noose" Neumeister - 292, 4.625 in blue

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This was as good a slot car race as you'll ever see. A terrific end to the best Sano I've attended, though one tinged with a lot of sadness as we remembered everyone's always-smiling friend, Sano Dave Fiedler.

Put this event on your calendar for next year now!
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Posted 04 October 2015 - 07:35 PM

Joy mixed with sadness ... pretty much describes life.

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Posted 04 October 2015 - 09:39 PM

Congratulations to all on the podium!


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Posted 05 October 2015 - 04:55 AM

Great job, Ralph. Great TQ effort and your second podium on the King.

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Posted 05 October 2015 - 03:11 PM

You can add car retriever to the list of Noose responsibilities. This became a necessity during the Can-Am D Main.

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Posted 05 October 2015 - 11:45 PM

Congratulatons to Greg and Ralph who  set the standard for performance in Can-Am and F1.

The qualifying run for TQ that Ralph made was incredible, shattering the lap record by over 1/10 with his GVP machine. He suffered a slowing motor in the race. The Retro Hawk motors were very fast. Greg took the win with a massive record-breaking performance driving his Bartos chassis.  The double is an amazing feat and Greg was just flying. A lot of effort went into achieving this level.
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Posted 06 October 2015 - 12:55 PM

Mike Swiss,
 
Another great Sano is in the books. Thank you and your wife for putting on this great race and your support of Retro racing. The food was great again this year. Hope to see everyone again next year.
 
Ralph was a rocket, But his Retro Hawk let him down, slowing badly. If the motor would have kept running the lap total would have been just as amazing as his TQ run.
 
I would like to thank everyone who was running GVP chassis. Ralph with second place finishes in Coupe Pro, Can-Am Plus, and Can-Am and fast race lap in Can-Am Plus, Howie with a win in Coupe Pro, second fast time time and fourth place in F1 on the King. Ralph, Howie, Raisin, Jeremy, and Tracy Chin for taking five of the the top eight fast times in Can-Am. John Miller and Jerry "Boogieman" Wyant who also ran GVP chassis.
 
Congrats to Greg Fox who had a great race and all the podium finishers.
 
Regards,

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Posted 06 October 2015 - 01:24 PM

Greg,

Thanks for the kind words.

I think you are being a little over dramatic about the Retro Hawk letting him down.

He broke the track record by seven laps.

Regardless, I got the impression his motor slowed after hitting something, or getting ridered into the wall.

PS: I know I'm only a part time Retro racer, but if I had a motor that strong personally, I wouldn't have hot lapped it so many laps.

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Posted 06 October 2015 - 01:34 PM

The hit took the edge off the motor for sure and it lost a little brakes after that, but it was still a good motor, just not an exceptional one after the hit.

 

My best lap was in heat 1 on purple and Greg's best lap was in heat 8 on green. I slowed a touch and he picked up a touch.

 

Greg ran a great race, and won it fair and square in my book. No excuses here...


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Posted 06 October 2015 - 01:38 PM

Yup, it happens to them after a hard hit.

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Posted 06 October 2015 - 02:22 PM

Without checking past results, I think this is the first time all qualifiers were under 5 seconds in Can-Am. In my mind the most competitive Sano I have been involved in going back to #3!

Great event, Mike and Jackie. :good:
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Posted 06 October 2015 - 02:24 PM

As a first time Retro racer and therefore a first time Sano participant I can say it greatly exceeded my expectations.

Mike and Jackie are first class people.

I have to thank all those who helped me on the technical side. All of them not only gave me the info on the set-ups but the why as well. In no particular order of preference - Mike, GVP, Noose, Bernie, KVP, Raisin, Larry Kelly, and Bill Fulmer. Hope I didn't miss anyone.

Everyone else were also very congenial. Great time
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Posted 06 October 2015 - 04:35 PM

The hit took the edge off the motor for sure and it lost a little brakes after that, but it was still a good motor, just not an exceptional one after the hit.
 
My best lap was in heat 1 on purple and Greg's best lap was in heat 8 on green. I slowed a touch and he picked up a touch


Yes, slowed a touch, as the sheets show.

From a speedy 4.452, on purple, the first heat, to a snail's pace 4.463, on blue, the last heat. LOL.

Granted, blue is a bit faster lane, but the motor didn't "slow badly", as GVP posted.

We didn't have any blown motors in the race that I saw, and the Retro Hawk produced probably the closest finish ever in Retro racing, on Friday.

Three laps, first to seventh, in GTC Pro.

Like most say, the Retro Hawk is the best thing that ever happened to Retro racing.
 
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Posted 06 October 2015 - 04:49 PM

Joe,

Could you please explain why after a hard hit the motor then goes away? I do not remember this happening with other Retro type motors... The TSR D3 and the Falcon 2 motors do not seem to mind taking a hard hit, so are the magnets much different on these Retro Hawks??? I know the brush material is different.
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Posted 06 October 2015 - 05:30 PM

Some times the bushings move and the play gets tight or loose depending on the hit and motor when they develop a lot of play the brushes will ride in a different part of the comm

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Posted 06 October 2015 - 06:36 PM

I see, but why would it affect the brakes ?


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Posted 06 October 2015 - 06:42 PM

I never had one lose brakes after a wreck just had them slow up. So I can't comment on that. I know the ones that tighten up if you tap the shaft and get the play back the motors run good again. I guess if the brushes are riding 1/2 on the broken in comm track and half on virgin com there could be less brush tension and less brakes. On the motors I have run, the magnet gauss doesn't seem to change after a wreck when I retest the motors before the next use.

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Posted 06 October 2015 - 06:57 PM

Thanks Tony for the help


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Posted 06 October 2015 - 07:21 PM

If they get real hot the brush tabs lose tension for sure. The heat also effects the brakes.

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