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#1 Mr. GoFast

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Posted 23 October 2015 - 02:22 PM

More pics of G21!!! Coming soon to SlotcarsRus The Track.

Gary was on the podcast last night if you haven't have a chance to listen yet you need to. Here's the LINK.

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Posted 23 October 2015 - 04:55 PM

That's a beautiful track. Your podcasts are a wonderful idea. Good luck as you develop these. Really top drawer stuff here.

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Posted 23 October 2015 - 06:20 PM

Looks crazy fast.

What's the footprint?

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Posted 23 October 2015 - 08:21 PM

What color will the surface be, Tracy Brown? Brown again? LOL.

 

Polka Dots will be fine with me. This is gonna be awesome. We are some very lucky racers. Thanks, Tracy.


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Posted 25 October 2015 - 08:59 PM

Talked to Gary Gerding. He measured G21 today, it's 155 feet 0 inches.


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Posted 26 October 2015 - 01:46 PM

How does one route the curves after they have been put in to place like this?



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Posted 26 October 2015 - 05:58 PM

Off of the edge of the track with a roller fixture... gives the eliptical radius effect.


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Posted 27 October 2015 - 01:39 PM

Got more pics in today. Gary is still adjusting so keep that in mind when you make any comments until you see the finish product. Thanks.

 

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Posted 27 October 2015 - 02:19 PM

Wicked!!

 

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Posted 27 October 2015 - 03:10 PM

Like the bump on the main straight! :crazy:


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Posted 27 October 2015 - 03:33 PM

I think the 90* needs a little more bank LOL. Track is looking seriously fast!


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Posted 27 October 2015 - 11:23 PM

Let the twisting and banking begin...  :D


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Posted 08 November 2015 - 11:36 PM

Off of the edge of the track with a roller fixture... gives the eliptical radius effect.

 

I can visualize that with a flat turn but what about banks?



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Posted 09 November 2015 - 08:52 AM

I think once the first slot is routered it is all downhill from there.
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Posted 09 November 2015 - 09:31 AM

Looks fast...

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Posted 09 November 2015 - 01:50 PM

Why are you replacing the old track?
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Posted 09 November 2015 - 02:00 PM

I heard it from a good source the goal is to create the fastest King Track in the world. I wish SlotcarsRus all the best in this bold endeavor.

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Posted 23 November 2015 - 09:02 PM

G21 The Black Widow!!!

 

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Posted 23 November 2015 - 09:51 PM

Wow.  :clapping: :victory:

 

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Posted 23 November 2015 - 09:54 PM

Now that is beautiful.

 

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Posted 23 November 2015 - 10:07 PM

It's a beauty... Looks bad fast!!!

 

I can't wait to race on 'er...

 

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Posted 23 November 2015 - 10:16 PM

You should offer $100 to the first person that falls off in the 90. LOL.


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Posted 23 November 2015 - 10:30 PM

LOL, Mike.


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Posted 24 November 2015 - 09:28 AM

Can't wait!!!


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Posted 24 November 2015 - 10:16 AM

Having had the pleasure and fun to run on G7 for a year, Gary's tracks are better than you can imagine. I only see one problem with G21 – its too far away for me to go down after work to play toys. :laugh2:

 

Good luck with what looks like the best one yet.     

 

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Posted 24 November 2015 - 03:48 PM

Wow, that sure looks fast.



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Posted 24 November 2015 - 05:55 PM

Cool, uses the two paint types, one for straights and the other for corners.

 

I assume the drivers panel is along the main straight, but is the space between the track and the wall as tight as the pictures seem to show?


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Posted 24 November 2015 - 06:04 PM

That's Gary's shop.


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Posted 24 November 2015 - 07:43 PM

Ah, I thought Gary didn't get the tracks to that level of finish at his shop.


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Posted 27 November 2015 - 10:22 AM

The target here is for the "Black Widow" to be the fastest King track in the world. Tracy has spent a busload of $$$ to insure that it will have the potential to do just that. The old track had the best power available, and that's still in the raceway, just waiting for the track to arrive.

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Posted 30 November 2015 - 12:34 PM

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Posted 30 November 2015 - 12:47 PM

Wow, what an impressive track. Looks like taping your throttle down might work. Voltage ,motor and tire choice is all that's gonna matter there.
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Posted 30 November 2015 - 03:50 PM

What will the braid depth be, Tracy?


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Posted 01 December 2015 - 12:01 AM

This may not be a smart question, but this type of racing is foreign to me. If the goal is to have the fastest track in the world, why not just bank the corners even more so you can just run wide open around the whole track? Eliminate flat corners that require a little more car control and just let it run wide open, then you could run the hottest motor in the world and gear it 2 to 1 and run 400-500 mph.
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Posted 01 December 2015 - 11:56 AM

That idea has already been tried with P.A. Watson's King track in Texas.  The deadman is so banked that from the drivers panel you can only see the underside of the track.  There's a mirror mounted on the ceiling so you can see the actual racing surface and for most cars you can just hold the controller wide open the whole way around.  Thing is that with the turns banked so much the cars actually slow down a bit in the turns (i.e. "mushing in") even though they are going through wide open.  It was later found out on the Gerding Kings that it was actually faster to have larger radius turns that aren't banked so much.  I think that is the theory behind Tracy's new track.  As for having to really "drive" the car, well most King track aren't really known for that.  Best to go find a much flatter track for that.


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Posted 01 December 2015 - 12:18 PM

I don't think P.A.'s track is as (truly) banked as it seems.

 

Elevating the turns and true dished banking are 2 different things.

 

To say you are going to bank each turn, say 35 degrees, isn't a matter of just wanting to do it.

 

Banking the "big bank", a 14 or 16 ft. diameter pc. of MDF, 35 degrees?

 

Not super difficult.

 

Banking a 10 ft. dia., infield turn, 35 degrees?

 

A real good chance you'll break it.

 

And if you don't, you run into the issue of transitioning from right hand turns, to left hand turns, in a relatively short distance.

 

As as the "then you could run the hottest motor in the world and gear it 2 to 1 and run 400-500 mph.", you're way off.

 

Maybe in a sci-fi movie.

 

Geared 2-1, the "hottest motor" would run about 20-40 ft., before the commutator would be hopelessly ruined.

 

And 400-500mph is absurd.

 

The fastest a slot car has ever gone, is probably about 140 mph.

 

Maybe on a longer than normal dragstrip, there is an outside chance of a car hitting 200 mph.

 

Very outside.


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Posted 01 December 2015 - 02:06 PM

Yeah, you're right about banking and lifting, Mike, but I think PA's track is both to a greater or lesser extent. At least that's what it looked like to me when I ran on it on more than one occasion. I was full punch on most of the lanes with a Group 10 NASCAR Turbo-Flex.


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Posted 01 December 2015 - 02:20 PM

Yeah, you're right about banking and lifting, Mike, but I think PA's track is both to a greater or lesser extent. At least that's what it looked like to me.

 

Agreed.


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Posted 01 December 2015 - 02:50 PM

I can see where extreme banking would actually be slower than a wider curve with less bank. I hadn't thought about how banking does slow you down some.

400-500 MPH, scale, not real speeds.


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Posted 01 December 2015 - 03:00 PM

Slot cars already run way over 500 scale MPH.

 

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Posted 01 December 2015 - 03:00 PM

G7 cars are already hitting 2,100-2,400 scale MPH (90-100 real MPH)


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Posted 01 December 2015 - 03:01 PM

The extra downforce caused by the banking must be quite big - should sometimes try to calculate it.

 

And the "real" scale speed factor is the square root of the scale, about 4.9x. So 500 MPH is about right.


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Posted 01 December 2015 - 03:13 PM

Awsome track, looks fast.

 

Just curious, it looks cramped out where the driver will stand, maybe a new image would clarify it.  :P


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Posted 01 December 2015 - 03:31 PM

See post #28.


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Posted 01 December 2015 - 04:49 PM

Why not make the whole track 2' higher so it would be easier to turn marshal for us old farts that don't bend so well anymore??


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Posted 01 December 2015 - 05:07 PM

If you raised the whole track 2', you would need to marshal the lead on from the inside, which would screw up visibility.

To do what you want, requires a less banked track, or a varying height floor around the track.

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Posted 01 December 2015 - 05:10 PM

I'm thinking the track needs to be low so sight lines can be maintained. A raised drivers platform would solve much of the issue. I need to step up on a stool on red to see the Deadman at SAL.  On black you need it to see entering the 90 and the donut. And that track is a standard King.

 

And what Mike said.


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Posted 01 December 2015 - 08:29 PM

I talked to Gary when he visited Modelville and he shared some why he does what he does.  The tracks are pitched the way they are to have maximum speed down the main straight.  This is why the main straight is pitched slightly down hill which leads the bank to be lower to the floor.  Coming out of the bank the next straight level's off/increases height slightly going into the dead man as this is where you will need to let off some but still keep momentum up that will allow you to carry speed into the next straight going into the finger turn which is usually just a quick blip less of a breaking turn.  As you exit the finger the next straight is pitched downward to gain speed going through the 90 and up the donut.   The elliptical routing Gary does on the turns also helps to carry speed through the turns. 


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Posted 01 December 2015 - 09:03 PM

From building and working on my track, IMO, any faster King, with a banked Deadman, has to have the bank close to the floor, to keep the said Deadman as low as possible, for visibility.

 

Otherwise, you'll have guys like Beuford standing on full size step ladders, to see.

 

I raised my Deadman up, to make raising the part of the track that needed raising the most, the Finger, easier.

 

But I added a clear lexan wall, to help regain lost visibility.


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Posted 01 December 2015 - 10:35 PM

No---I'm 6'2" and could marshal the lead on no problem. OR---simply stand on a short box at that corner--the drivers view would not be obstructed! 

 

Of course it's the "We've always done it this way" mentality!! :)


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