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Posted 29 October 2015 - 12:14 AM

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Starting to plan and line up the 2016 racing season. Looking at a nine-race schedule, with a few new venues.

 

Some rules changes. The stock class will remain with a change to the tire rule. The mod class will be dropped in favor of a limited magnet class.

 

On Any Sunday racing rules

 

General rules

1.      Any hard body plastic chassis 1/32 slot car, body must be painted.

2.      No modifications unless specified.

3.      Tires may not protrude outside the body viewed from the top.

4.      Max width at rear tires 2.500”.

5.      Min clearance 0.032” at rear axle.

6.      Any guide, lead wire/braid, guide shims okay.

7.      Tires maybe glued to wheels and trued.

8.      It is expressly forbidden to use any liquid on the tires that may leave a film on the track.

 

Slot.it Group C class

1.      Any Slot.it Group C car, wing must be attached at the start of each heat.

2.      Weight maybe added.

3.      Slot.it SIMF06 Motor, any inline motor mount, Slot.it gears 9/28.

4.      Urethane tires only. Slot.it stock wheels.

5.      No traction magnets.

 

GT class

1.      Any GT inline chassis car, wing must be attached at the start of each heat.

2.      Chassis and body maybe lighten, min wt 70 grams.

3.      Any short can 21.5k motor, 9/28  gears.

4.      Any urethane or rubber tires, wheels.

5.      One Ninco N80303 traction magnet located in front of motor, glued okay.


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Posted 30 October 2015 - 08:38 AM

I'm assuming that the McLaren F1 GTR is a legal body/car for the GT class.

 

Oh, and why do we need to use a round magnet?  Seems like it would make more sense to utilize the stock magnet that comes with the particular car each individual decides to run.  I'm going to run Slot.it and round won't fit in the stock motor pod without modification.  Just an inquiry... 


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Posted 30 October 2015 - 02:08 PM

Mclaren F1 gtr is okay.


Quick comparison using Go Fast gauss meter

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I would use the Ninco 😁
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Posted 30 October 2015 - 03:04 PM

Mclaren F1 gtr is okay.


Quick comparison using Go Fast gauss meter

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I would use the Ninco

 

 

Okay, I can see why you decided to go with the Ninco. 

 

However, that brings up another question. 

 

Can we drill a hole to make it flush with the bottom of the motor pod?


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Posted 30 October 2015 - 03:46 PM

 

 

Okay, I can see why you decided to go with the Ninco. 

 

However, that brings up another question. 

 

Can we drill a hole to make it flush with the bottom of the motor pod?

 

 

it would be consider as lighten the chassis, so it will be okay  :D


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Posted 31 October 2015 - 09:36 PM

will be working on plans for the racing at each event.

there are going to be three races at each event:

1. Slot.it gpC, no magnets

2. GT inline, limited magnet class

3. IROC 458, Carrrea Ferrari 458s identically prepped by race management (me :laugh2: )

 

first race will be in April 2016

 

I will be working on the GT inline cars and trying different setup,

we will see what everyone comes up with!

 


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Posted 04 November 2015 - 01:24 AM

ninco magnet glued in a slot.it pod

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Posted 05 November 2015 - 12:23 AM

round magnets do not allow the car to drift as longer bar magnets allow. :dash2:


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Posted 06 November 2015 - 09:51 PM

very true, but easier to put a hole than a rectangle in a chassis.

the magnet is located in front of inline motor, so the effect is less pronounce, will be like a NSR car.


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Posted 06 November 2015 - 10:09 PM

proposed schedule for 2016:

 

 

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the iroc cars: I will prep, the Carrera Ferrari 458 will be prep similar to the DTM class run at Big Lou's, the Tyco 440x2hb will be similar to the hardbody class run in Schor.

 

yes, at the BPR rounds we will race on the flat track, maybe the King and the HO track.

on the King, maybe allow foam tires.

 

I think for the championship all race results will count from all classes.

and will have the prerequisite bbq at the final race  :yes:


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Posted 14 January 2016 - 11:43 PM

   lining up the schedule:

   First two races at Eddie's

 

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at the BPR rounds, sponge tires may be used.

 

GT class - for guys that want to use drop-in magnet and the Slot.it and Racer anglewinder and sidewindwer pods, you can use a Slot.it race magnet, must be placed in front of motor.


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Posted 15 January 2016 - 09:28 AM

Wait a darn minute, I thought both classes were inline??


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Posted 15 January 2016 - 12:47 PM

I'm opening up the GT class.
You can run a inline with strong magnet or an side/angle winder with a weaker magnet.
Racers that don't want to cut into a chassis, they can use a drop-in magnet.
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Posted 15 January 2016 - 02:33 PM

Rats, ordered parts for inline on Tuesday...

 

Now I have to build another car for sidewinder so I have a second choice.

 

Hey Mike, can you provide a list of GT cars you are going to allow?


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Posted 15 January 2016 - 04:30 PM

  updated rules:

 

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Posted 02 April 2016 - 02:57 PM

Alright, looming ahead is the first race of the series, April 10th at 11amish.

Eddie is back from his adventure in the Pacific Northwest and will have the track ready.

 

There will be the “Far Out” race on Saturday and the “On Any Sunday” race Sunday. A double headed. The track will be well broken in after the “Far Out” event so I expect the traction to be very good on Sunday.

 

So for Sunday we will be running the Group C and the iroc (Carrera 458 Ferraris)


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Posted 02 April 2016 - 05:59 PM

Are you doing away with the rear spoiler?

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Posted 02 April 2016 - 06:05 PM

yes, no added spoiler. didn't think it did much of anything, except for the intimidation factor


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Posted 02 April 2016 - 06:17 PM

Good, might try to make one of your races.

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Posted 05 April 2016 - 02:08 PM

I'll be hosting Mike Low’s “On Any Sunday” race this coming Sunday, April 10th. Track opens at 11AM, racing at Noon.

 

Race 1: Slot it Group C, stock motor, any urethane tires. no magnet, but weight added OK.

Race 2: Mike is providing Lane-designated Carrera cars WITH magnets. They’re fun to drive.

You may use your own controller if you prefer. 

Let me know if you’ll be attending, and feel free to ask questions, directions, etc. here: eshorer@gmail.com

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Posted 06 April 2016 - 11:16 AM

Nah Eddie--"questions" are NOT encouraged!! :shok:  It got me BANNED!!  :dash2:  :laugh2:


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Posted 06 April 2016 - 01:28 PM

Ha, ha Tim.
I ban you for your own sake.
You question and criticize every rule.
Try to lobby to change the rules to your tastes, and then don't even show up to race.

There are two organize groups of racers, the Farrout and Big Lous. Both have loyal followings. Both been around a long time.
Both have good racers.
I am attempting to organize some racing for 1/32 more in the tradition of the commercial track style of running the show. Non magnet and magnet, I have raced both, and to your surprise, they are the same.
So, if you like that idea, come and race.
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Posted 06 April 2016 - 05:31 PM

I've raced with the Farrout group and their a great bunch. I love to run their rules. They haven't changed in years.

 

I've raced magnet cars too--and their great! Never said they weren't. I haven't been up to Big Lou's yet, maybe one day! 

 

 Enjoy your race Mike, I applaud you for organizing it.   I hope everyone has a great time. :)


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Posted 06 April 2016 - 07:06 PM

Tim... re: Farrout rules (and any group's rules, I think): Not exactly. They change when it's felt there's a need for change. In Farrout we've dealt with annual rules changes related to acceptable motors, tires, excluded cars within a class, allowing non-manufactured bodies as long as they meet weight requirements, etc. In Retro racing we've seen changes related to F1 tire size, switching motors from TSR to RetroHawk, banned bodies, etc. And, at times, people get irritated when it seems like these changes happen for no good reason. I think Mike tried to assess which racers were likely to show up at races, and tried to find a "happy" medium that all could adapt to. So what happens? With few exceptions, the Big Lou's guys show up at Big Lou's, the Farrout guys show up at my track, and Rafael's, and a few Buena Park guys show up at Buena Park. It's a tricky balance to please three sets of racers who run different rules. Some could argue it would have made better sense to stick with EITHER Big Lou's or Farrout's, since they already existed. Who knows. My guess is it wouldn't make much difference when it comes to actual attendance. I think it's two things that affect the participation: 1. Racers want to race what they already have. and 2. Racers tend to get locked into their geographic comfort zone. If you've got to make many changes to your stuff, or drive very far, you probably ain't coming.

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Posted 07 April 2016 - 03:50 PM

It is supposed to rain Sunday, is that going to stop us from racing?  Since this track is on your patio Eddie I wanna make sure.


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Posted 07 April 2016 - 05:21 PM

I let Craig know that I'll phone him on Sunday morning with a weather update. If anyone else wants a wake-up call, lemme know. **Note: This is ONLY for those planning on racing! This is King Mini Boola Raceway, not a Motel 5!

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Posted 07 April 2016 - 06:32 PM

  the forecast is:

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Posted 07 April 2016 - 10:13 PM

I think it's two things that affect the participation: 1. Racers want to race what they already have. and 2. Racers tend to get locked into their geographic comfort zone. If you've got to make many changes to your stuff, or drive very far, you probably ain't coming.

 

Some interesting thoughts.

 

I don't know if I would have gotten into retro racing if my friend Oscar (rip) did not handed me a car and said just race it.

Or into 1/32 scene if some friends didn't encouraged me to come to Big Lou's.

 

Slot racing demands some massive investment in time and equipment. And each particular scale has its own set of particular type of equipment.

 

Having run all the different scales and their variations, they seem to be different, but they all have some wheels, a motor, and you pull a trigger to make them go.


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Posted 08 April 2016 - 01:13 AM

Even different venues require different equipment. In 1/32 I got my home cars, my club cars and my SCR cars. Then in 1/24 I have my scale cars, my flexi cars and now my retro cars.

Each one of the group's is broken in to classes. I'm sure this is fairly typical but the costs do add up. An important lesson is keep the cars separate. Oh and I have been running HO cars that I am trying not to spend any money on.

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Posted 09 April 2016 - 09:24 AM

  looking good for Sunday, we are going to have a race!

 

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Posted 10 April 2016 - 11:42 PM

Hey Mike, can you please post the pictures of the results and podium shots. Thank you
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Posted 11 April 2016 - 12:38 AM

Yeah, Mike, post those pics so Craig can rub our faces in it!  I haven't seen anyone take to driving my track like Craig did!

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Posted 11 April 2016 - 06:14 AM

IROC Podium 1st Gasper, 2nd Craig, 3rd Eddie
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Posted 11 April 2016 - 06:20 AM

Group C Slot.it Podium 1st Craig, 2nd Eddie, 3rd George
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Posted 11 April 2016 - 08:48 AM

Thanks Mike, I had a great time in both classes.  In practice I didn't think my car was very good but seems that two things happened as the day progressed.  The track came to us and I believe the tires on my Group C broke in.  By the end of the race the initial loose condition went away and the car was pretty hooked up. 

 

It was a pleasure meeting George and Caspar, always great to see and visit with Craig Williamson and Eddie is a great host.  Nice to see Chris again as well.  And last but not least.  A huge thank you to Mike Low for putting on this series.  I'm looking forward to the next one... 


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Posted 11 April 2016 - 11:32 AM

Attaboy Craig,  Good racing!! :)


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Posted 11 April 2016 - 05:17 PM

     Points after Race 1:

 

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 Have to reorganize the schedule, as Eddie will not be able to host Race 2, and Rafael's track has sustained water damage from our recent rain season.

 

 Other tracks may come into the series, as a few track owners expressed interest.

 

 Most likely Race 2 will be at Big Lou's, but I need to confirm that. If that is the case, we will be running the Gr C slot.it and the GT class cars.

 

 

 

 


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Posted 12 April 2016 - 08:54 PM

So, I have been contemplating… for every race you race you will get a raffle ticket for a raffle at the end of series luncheon (will do the Lucille’s BBQ lunch again, will worth it to come and just eat   :D ). I think I will have some Slot.it Gr C cars and other items to raffle off.


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Posted 21 April 2016 - 11:39 PM

Race 2

 

Race 2 will be at Big Lou's in Culver City, May 22nd. Track opens at 11am.

 

Will be running the slot.it Group C and the GT class cars.

 

 


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Posted 02 May 2016 - 01:25 PM

Hey Mike, if my NSR car is the better choice for any of the GT races what magnet can I use?  I really don't want to chop up the chassis to fit a bar magnet.  The NSR's come with a round mag.


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Posted 02 May 2016 - 04:35 PM

Craig,

I presuming you are wanting to run a NSR classic, which is a sidewinder.

 

So as long as the motor fits the 21.5k short can rule,

you may run the car with the 2000 gauss round magnet located in the front most magnet location

 

the specified spec is a inline with 2000 gauss magnet in front of motor.

deviations from this like a sidewinder, needs an adjustment in the magnet strength or location

to make it somewhat equal again


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Posted 03 May 2016 - 03:36 PM

Mike , when will you guys be racing at Buena Park ?



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Posted 03 May 2016 - 08:39 PM

Maybe in June. Depends on how many racers are interested in running at BPR.

The issues is suitable tires for the sprayed glued track and if racers are willing to use those tires.

 

I would prefer to adapt cut down 1/24 type foam tires, i have, and those that race 1/24 would have, many used sets that are too small but can be narrowed and cut down. But how willing the rest of the racers is another question.

 

We raced at BPR last year with urethane tires on a semi cleaned track, but it took all day for the track to rubber up before the traction got good.

Getting the track cleaned is hard to do. I rather not have the staff at BPR do this just for one race.With foam tires and a sprayed glue track, the traction will be good right away.

 

We will see.

 

I will ask the racers at the next race if they would be interested in having a race at BPR. Also those interested can chime in and let me know too.


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Posted 03 May 2016 - 10:55 PM

Try Scaleauto ProComp 3, lead and suspension

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Posted 03 May 2016 - 11:11 PM

My slot,it GT1

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Posted 03 May 2016 - 11:14 PM

Stiff chassis and suspension helps on a high grip track. Picture doesn't show brass rod added for stiffness.

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Posted 03 May 2016 - 11:53 PM

NSR rims ready for Wonder Rubber.

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Posted 04 May 2016 - 12:01 AM

nice stuff Dennis
 
I added some spring suspension to a Slot.it Alfa T33 and the car was more forgiving. The T33 is for a non mag class at Big Lou's and I look forward to trying it there.
 
Also, the Policar F1 Lotus 72, I have run, is pretty quick with the 25K slim can. Policar will be making other versions of the 72 and also the March 701 and 711. A 70's F1 class sounds like fun
 
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Posted 04 May 2016 - 12:20 AM

It would be, just turn down the voltage. Suspension will take out the chatter and allow you to use wider tires on a high grip track.

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Posted 05 May 2016 - 09:22 PM

it is highly recommended that guide flag be the color black for the track at Big Lou's. the lap counting system is in the slot on a long straight.

it is trigger off the guide flag, a light color flag may not trigger.

 

also low glass filled guides are also recommended. the tight turns causes a lot of stress on the guide and will break high glass filled guides.


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