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#26 Tim Wilkins

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Posted 19 January 2016 - 05:35 PM

As Bryan said, "we're just trying to get some different bodies involved in the races ".  Simple as that.  No conspiracy theory.  As been mentioned, it will not be allowed in the four big races.


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Posted 19 January 2016 - 07:46 PM

I am afraid 2017 CPC may see a full grid of air-controlled T160s.


Possibly a subliminal gesture of good will, by the SCRRA, aimed at the ex-wing/current Retro racers of Team Tokyo. :)

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Posted 19 January 2016 - 07:51 PM

Possibly a subliminal gesture of good will, by the SCRRA, aimed at the ex-wing/current Retro racers, of Team Tokyo. :)

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You have much more chance to win there because you were the King of Wing Cars when we had USRA, Japan in Tokyo.
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Posted 19 January 2016 - 09:15 PM

Wow! Well Bryan, you're right. They're talkin"! It's just fun and games for the King track racers out here and nothing more. Our "Big 4"  races, seem to be "safe". This thing was called from the outset. Nice!


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Posted 19 January 2016 - 10:14 PM

You have much more chance to win there because you were the King of Wing Cars when we had USRA, Japan in Tokyo.

 

I thought of myself as more of a benevolent dictator. LOL.


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Posted 20 January 2016 - 12:07 AM

It seems Brian is just trying to make a Retro part work better, just like a hood alignment tool ;)


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Posted 20 January 2016 - 01:03 AM

The tool I'm selling is correcting misaligned hoods, not taking 5 turns of wire off the armature.

Trying to compare that to adding side dams to a Retro body, that never had them, is absurd.

But then again, you're the same guy who insisted PDL had no right to dictate the moderation polices on his own website, when he owned Slotblog.
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Posted 20 January 2016 - 09:56 AM

It would be nice to see more than TI-22 bodies on the track, but then that is the way it has always been. 

 

One body emerges in slot racing as the dominate aerodynamic form and everyone gravitates toward. That's racing.  Nothing new here. 

Happens in 1:1 racing also.

 

Going back many years now the predecessor to the TI-22 and the body of choice was the McLaren 8B from several manufacturers-Lancer, Dynamic, Waters, Champion. Prior to that the Lancer T-70 was the body of choice.  Even further  back to the days of Mike Morrisay I think a Lotus 40 was used to some extent and "the choice".  You see nothing is more constant than change when it comes to slot racing.

 

The most anticipated body form back into the early '70's was going to be the AVS Shadow "doorstop" which I think was offered by both Dynamic and Lancer.  It was an absolute bust.  Come and gone in about 2 1/2 weeks.  The body that surged to the forefront as the body of choice after that?  TI-22.  For CanAm class racing it still is "the choice."

 

The only negative I see with the TI-22 in racing today is there are so many variations, and I do mean many, of it and as unbelievable as it seems they are all "approved". One version has reinforcing ribs in the front fender (the original car did have front "fins or "side dams" in one of its on track iterations).  If you scale these ribs out they would be 3" thick! On the real car they were less than 1/8" thick. I realize we are not racing "scale" bodies, but geez.....   If I could wish a resolution to this is that if someone did an accurate CAD drawing of the car and then 3-D printed a mold for it to be vacuum formed from, but I digress.....

 

As far as running other bodies I like running them.  Ran a Parma Lola T-163 with a molded in "wing" at a weekly race on Saturday at Tom Thumb. The car ran good and I had it almost as fast has it has ever gone once the tires came in and I got into traffic.  Considering it is Bartos CanAm Chassis #4 and is now 5 years old I think it went well.  Had fun and it looked good out on the track.

 

Since I will never be operating in the upper 1/3 of racers for a variety of reasons being in the bottom third gives a racer lots of freedom.  You can run whatever approved body you want.  Be a little different.  Remembering a time when you ran this or that type of body.  The bottom line is run the type of body you want.  After all it is just a hobby not life or death.


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Posted 20 January 2016 - 11:13 AM

  After all it is just a hobby not life or death.

You haven't been to BPR and raced there.....

EVERY RACE IS LIFE AND DEATH...

(especially if you have the pastrami burrito from Imperial Burger)


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Posted 20 January 2016 - 11:32 AM

The tool I'm selling is correcting misaligned hoods, not taking 5 turns of wire off the armature.

Trying to compare that to adding side dams to a Retro body, that never had them, is absurd.

But then again, you're the same guy who insisted PDL had no right to dictate the moderation polices on his own website, when he owned Slotblog.

 

I don't remember that but I don't doubt it. I'm flattered that my postings have such a lasting impression on you. :)

 

PDL is an acquired taste. I grew really fond of him. I wish he would post more.


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Posted 20 January 2016 - 11:41 AM

Back on topic:

 

Brian is talking about experimenting with the bodies for local races. Sounds like fun. Why not do something different every once in a while. Add a little variety. Keep our old brains active.


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Posted 20 January 2016 - 12:50 PM

I don't remember that but I don't doubt it. I'm flattered that my postings have such a lasting impression on you. :)

Only the ones with the staggering amount of chutzpah that one had.

You went on to offer the analogy the guests at a party should decide what music is playing on the stereo, not the host.
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Posted 20 January 2016 - 01:20 PM

I don't remember that either. I do remember having a small party many years ago. I think I had some early techno playing. A couple of guests complained about it so I changed it to some stuff they wanted to hear.

 

Seemed like the right thing to do to me. It doesn't to you?


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Posted 20 January 2016 - 01:49 PM

Yes, you ultimately decided, as the host, and I'm betting, you put on something you didn't hate.

If they changed it on their own, told you that's how it's going to be the rest of night, regardless of what you thought, because it's their right, as the guest, I'm guessing you would be less than pleased.
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Posted 20 January 2016 - 01:51 PM

Let's get this back on track please and I don't mean an 8 track.

 

There is a rush on now for 5 thou lexan and Lola T-160 bodies since the Ti22 Kirby has been used predominately for the last 3 years.


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#41 Tim Neja

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Posted 20 January 2016 - 02:03 PM

Hohoho!! Don't say I didn't warn you Bryan!!  :) :)  "Flame On"!! :)


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Posted 20 January 2016 - 04:00 PM

There are times (at certain tracks) where the Lola works better with certain chassis than the Ti-22 - I'll bet some racers can attest to this.

 

I think the best feature of the Ti-22 may be the "softness" it has in lateral loading ("parallelogram" deflection); you can get that with a lot of different bodies if they are only .005 thick, painted with a translucent "mist" coating and devoid of any high-reaching body reinforcement at the sides. We have seen such bodies at our local race track and, boy, are those marshmallows a bitch to marshal and not very robust so they sort-of carry their own penalty racing them - but they are fast!

 

I applaud the SCRRA for wanting more diversity in bodies that appear at the races. I also applaud checking the thickness of the bodies at the bigger IRRA races.

 

I challenge someone (anyone) to qualify for a sit-out in the A-Main at a "big" IRRA race with something other than a Ti-22 just to say, "I did it my way!"


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Posted 20 January 2016 - 04:14 PM

Matt Bruce did at RetroPalooza 5 in 2014 at Port Jeff with a Parma Lola T163 and set a new track record that still stands in Can-Am. 

 

But that body is not legal in SCRRA either.


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Posted 20 January 2016 - 04:58 PM

Why are you IRRA guys so critical of the SCRRA? Rudely critical. Why do you even care? I wouldn't think it would matter to you one way or another.


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Posted 20 January 2016 - 05:05 PM

Phil,

Go reread the title of the thread.

 

It's not "SCRRA Rules Change-please only post positive comments".

 

If he wasn't looking for honest feedback, he could of also posted the announcement and locked the thread.

 

PS-and if you think no SCRRA members haven't been rudely critical of the IRRA, you are highly confused.

 

We just had a few over our recent  gear ruling, both on FB, and here on Slotblog.(post #15)

 

http://slotblog.net/...r-announcement/


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Posted 20 January 2016 - 06:19 PM

how about a min weight for ti22 bodied cars.that min weight to be determined with R&D on the track.all other bodies have no min weight


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Posted 20 January 2016 - 06:26 PM

Run them without the bodies, call it the "Naked" CanAm class. No worries about supply, thickness, accuracy, body mounting, weight, painting, interiors, etc. 

 

I have an opinion, but will keep it to myself as it is their track, series and their rules. If people show up to race and want to race under them, then who am I to say boo.


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Posted 20 January 2016 - 06:47 PM

(I know this isn't my fight but I cringe sometimes at the "crises" within the Retro world)

 

My suggestion is that at some random races there is a "No Ti-22" rule. If the idea is to promote diversity, which I believe is the idea, then this makes it **easy** to tech, **easy** for the racer to comply with and understand and makes the builders look for different bodies that will work with their chassis set-up.

 

It's simple: so I know it won't be considered.


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Posted 20 January 2016 - 07:34 PM

Ad find the side dams might even make one body faster the the Ti22 and it will be a one body class. Slot cars will always be a one body deal.
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Posted 20 January 2016 - 08:04 PM

I usually stay away from these posts but here it goes. The Lola T-70 has been dominate in Coupes so how long before aero mods are allowed on the Sunoco lola, chevron, or other bodies just to make them competitive/dominate on the west coast? My point is, as others have said, there will always be one dominate body. Personally bodies to me are like tires, you use them to tune the car.

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