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[Bryan Warmack]

  Don't forget the regular SCRRA schedule has us back on the King track this Saturday. All the normal times with F1 tech at 10AM followed by lunch and then Can Am.

 

 However, the SCRRA will introduce a little change concerning the bodies. I have discussed this with most of the BPR racers over the last several months and we will begin to allow the addition of small side air dams on bodies other than TI22's and the addition of small nose diaplanes on the SHORT TI22's.

 

  A Lola with side dams

 

 

  A short TI22 with a nose diaplane

 

 So drag some of your Lolas, Ferraris, short TI's out of your closets and come join us!  If you can't get anything ready, see me at the track and I will provide the lexan pieces necessary to do a little experimenting!  No charge.  Can be taped on or stapled and the rules will be SIMPLE.........See you there!

 

 

[Foamy]

Wonderful, now I've gotta paint bodies tonite. . .

[Bryan Warmack]

Wonderful, now I've gotta paint bodies tonite. . .

   Dennis,

         You don't HAVE to paint new bodies. Just run the long TI's like you always have........

[DCR]

……..Foamy just got this body ready for me to run on the King sat……….It's not a Ti-22…so it should be good?……………..DC

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[Foamy]

Well, it is short...

[smokie]

DC....

rear spoiler is too long....

 

maybe you could try a RedFox Shadow and stretch it over a lola 160 mold...

[tonyp]

DC looks good to me. Better check will mill though.

[smokie]

let's see how long it takes for someone to start marketing a "retro" air control kit in .004 thru .007, or does it have to be .010 like the body?

[MSwiss]

Exactly, Jeff.

That was the point on my first post in that thread.

IMO, Bryan is opening up a can of worms.

Unlike a Ti22, with molded in side dams, add on side dams are too open to experimention.

Even if you mandate a thickness, how can you police how well they are attached?

[smokie]

exactly, Mike.

now someone has to make a specific template as to the specifications as to the size and shape of the air controls...

maybe because of all the recent rain SoCal has experienced, all the "worms" have come to the surface....

[gonzo]

again i think if you do a min weight for ti22 bodied cars. that min weight to be determined with R&D at the track.that way modifications to the body arent neccesary.

[Phil Hackett]

again i think if you do a min weight for ti22 bodied cars. that min weight to be determined with R&D at the track.that way modifications to the body arent neccesary.

 

Again, a simple idea, easily implemented and understood…. not gonna happen…..

[Bryan Warmack]

Exactly, Jeff.

That was the point on my first post in that thread.

IMO, Bryan is opening up a can of worms.

Unlike a Ti22, with molded in side dams, add on side dams are too open to experimention.

Even if you mandate a thickness, how can you police how well they are attached?

  Mike and Jeff,

        What exactly are you guys seeing here?  What am I missing??......... WHAT CAN OF WORMS??  Please tell me.... Did you read what I said in the original post??  I fail to see how this can escalate any further......

 

 

because I AM THE ONE POLICING IT AND RESTRICTING IT!!!  This pic shows the MAXIMUM allowable dams and NO rules necessary for thickness, NO specific templates necessary, NO rules needed on gluing or stapling as basically........ IT'S JUST A SPOILER!! for God sakes.  Dead easy to install and DEAD EASY to police. I just use my eyes. 

 

The only reason it turned into the can of worms that began in the 70's and we see the end result on wing cars today is that... NO ONE WANTED TO STOP IT!!!

 

At BPR we're just simply toying around to try to involve more bodies and like I said it's just something DIFFERENT to mix things up a bit in the very casual monthly races.  It's kind of my pet project and if in a couple months the racers don't like it or some problems arise we just simply SCRAP THE WHOLE THING.

 

AND, the title of my original post was NEVER intended to be directed at anyone or any group in particular but was just simply something I thought was funny as I knew the whole thing would be considered heresy and a joke. Sorry if I offended anyone. 

[MSwiss]

Mike and Jeff,
        What exactly are you guys seeing here?  What am I missing??......... WHAT CAN OF WORMS??  Please tell me.... Did you read what I said in the original post??  I fail to see how this can escalate any further......
 
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because I AM THE ONE POLICING IT AND RESTRICTING IT!!!  This pic shows the MAXIMUM allowable dams and NO rules necessary for thickness, NO specific templates necessary, NO rules needed on gluing or stapling as basically........ IT'S JUST A SPOILER!! for God sakes.  Dead easy to install and DEAD EASY to police. I just use my eyes. .......
 
AND, the title of my original post was NEVER intended to be directed at anyone or any group in particular but was just simply something I thought was funny as I knew the whole thing would be considered heresy and a joke. Sorry if I offended anyone. 

So you are fine if someone made ones from .004" material, while not running them above the fenders, did run them all the way down to the bottom of the body, only attaching them along the bottom 1/4", and they opened up under speed like a wing car?

I'm 99% sure you didn't offend the IRRA and 100% sure you didn't offend me.

I saw the title as you saying "Please, beat me", which I was happy to oblige.lol

[Bryan Warmack]

    In the BPR King track races today, a great F1 race started out the day as Ben Cervantes Jr and Bill Vanderziel duked it out the entire race with Ben Jr just nipping Bill at the end and Bryan Warmack a couple laps back in 3rd.

 

   In Can Am, Duran Trujillo cruised home to an easy victory but 2nd place was a hard fought battle between Ben Jr, Jerry Johnson and Mill Conroy. When the power went off Ben just edged Jerry by feet with Mill close behind in 4th.

 

   The beginning of the little air dam experiment was a complete non issue. Several racers ran them and several racers asked for them and Duran won with a Lola T160 without dams.

 

  Race report with pics up shortly.............

[smokie]

good to hear, Bryan....

someone could pull a body off a brick and Duran would still most likely win with it.....

 

was it a TrueScale?

[Bryan Warmack]

good to hear, Bryan....

someone could pull a body off a brick and Duran would still most likely win with it.....

 

was it a TrueScale?

  Jeff,

     You got that right!!  The body was an Outisight Lola T160 with the tall intakes.......and he ran a new Retro Tokyo KamoSpeed chassis to the victory.

 

[Tom Eatherly]

Well, let's put an end to this "non issue". If the racers are good with the side dams on the monthly races, or simply don't want to use them, that is their decision. It is, after all a monthly race at BPR's King that this means anything. SCRRA, and nothing more.

It's our place and we can move things around to see what the racers are ok with.

[Upfront slot cars]

How much stiffer are those cars that "Hi Tech" and kamo are building compared to a double rail per side .062 car ? I noticed that try don't tie the two outside rails in solid but was curious as to how stiff that solid fork main rails makes them ?

[Bryan Warmack]

How much stiffer are those cars that "Hi Tech" and kamo are building compared to a double rail per side .062 car ? I noticed that try don't tie the two outside rails in solid but was curious as to how stiff that solid fork main rails makes them ?

    Andrew,

          Most of the recent HiTech chassis and Duran's latest Kamo are VERY flexy and much more so than a double rail .062 car.

    What is interesting is that there seems to be no real direct relationship between VERY flexy cars and VERY stiff cars out here on our King track as far as success goes.  I have seen the stiffer chassis such as Duran's and DCR's run 350 laps and I have seen the super flexy cars run 350 laps.  Tuning and adjustment seem to be more important on our King......

[John Streisguth]

  Jeff,

     You got that right!!  The body was an Outisight Lola T160 with the tall intakes.......and he ran a new Retro Tokyo KamoSpeed chassis to the victory.

 

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Well, that's one way to end a controversy!  LOL

 

For his next trick, Duran will mount a body backwards and still win!  

[Half Fast]

   

          Most of the recent HiTech chassis and Duran's latest Kamo are VERY flexy and much more so than a double rail .062 car.

    What is interesting is that there seems to be no real direct relationship between VERY flexy cars and VERY stiff cars out here on our King track as far as success goes.  I have seen the stiffer chassis such as Duran's and DCR's run 350 laps and I have seen the super flexy cars run 350 laps.  Tuning and adjustment seem to be more important on our King......

 

I have seen the same thing at Port Jeff under IRRA rules. Both flexible and stiff cars can handle poorly or great depending on the set up. YMMV

 

Cheers