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Posted 22 January 2016 - 01:35 PM

In August, 1969, I was twelve years old.  This article changed my (slot car) life as it singlehandedly transitioned me from the whole Classic / Cox / Dynamic thing into scratchbuilt anglewinders.  I built one back then, based on the article, and I've been waiting to build another ever since.

 

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Posted 22 January 2016 - 01:44 PM

Philippe wrote some very wise words here, essentially saying that you can never fully recreate the past due to the subsequent accumulation of knowledge.  As such, I worked very hard to build this car 100% according to the article.  Since Dale used a Champion motor, I used one as well.  This was the only place where I veered from 1969 - I updated the endbell a bit with some modern hardware.

 

Otherwise, it's a Champion can, DZ magnets and some big-wire Champion arm, nicely refurbished by Alpha.

 

The motor components before assembly:

 

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Posted 22 January 2016 - 01:47 PM

Chassis photos.  I still haven't figured out my lead wire strategy yet, but you get the idea.  Be sure to click through for a nice big pic.

 

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Posted 22 January 2016 - 01:51 PM

The icing on the cake is my fantastic body by Joe. It's mocked up on the chassis now:
 
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Posted 22 January 2016 - 01:51 PM

Totally 1969. Let me know and I will post the entire article.
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Posted 22 January 2016 - 01:58 PM

Beautiful job! I wondered what you were going to use that body for.

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Posted 22 January 2016 - 02:03 PM

:good: :heart: Great build, Mike !!!  I'd love to see the rest of the article :)


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Posted 22 January 2016 - 02:52 PM

Here's the rest of the article.  Pages 2 - 4.  I think mine came out better than Dale's.

 

Thanks Don Siegel for the scans.

 

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Posted 22 January 2016 - 02:53 PM

Pages 5 -7.  I'm surprised nobody has built this here before.  Maybe not "pro" enough!

 

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Posted 22 January 2016 - 03:34 PM

Nice work Mike.

 

I remember Dale in the 70's, he came to some of our HO races, he carried all his racing stuff in a briefcase.


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Posted 22 January 2016 - 05:09 PM

:hi: :good:


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Posted 22 January 2016 - 06:03 PM

Mike, I recall that car & have the magazine. You did a nice job constructing your car. I bought a Phaze III chassis kit in the '70s with a very similar chassis drawing as this one. I've always thought that Ferret made Phase III's brass chassis parts & maybe Cobra's. If anyone should need one, there's a Ferret brass anglewinder bracket that's been on eBay for awhile. The problem is, the seller wants $27 for it.


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Posted 22 January 2016 - 06:55 PM

First, thanks for all the comments.

 

Bill, in the article, the motor bracket is stamped "Ferret"; mine isn't but is identical.  However, my drop arm is stamped  - you can see it.  My wire I know is Phaze III because it came in the package.  I think there was some relationship among the three companies but I certainly don't know what it was.

 

Yeah, funny - some people think their stuff is really worth something when it's not.  A lot of them just don't know because I can see from their other listings the stuff they really sell day-to-day.  Who knows though, if I didn't have a couple lying around and I really wanted one, I might have bit!


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Posted 23 January 2016 - 04:51 AM

I'm so sorry I demolished my Phaze III years ago - it was the car I started with a nice Sunoco Lola and Pink Cukras (S24!) motor at '70. And we ran on a plastic three-lane 1/24 Scalextric 100 ft track...
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Posted 23 January 2016 - 08:06 AM

Phaze III chassis were my weekly race cars from 1970-75, usually with a Mura pink B-can. I still own 2 of my chassis, both unmarked by any maker names. Each has a different width droparm.

Pekka, if you wanted to recreate your Phaze III car, these chassis often show up on eBay. They must have been made in large quantities.

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Posted 23 January 2016 - 08:51 AM

Mike,
 
Great build! Captures the era to a T.

Thanks for sharing the pics and the article!!!
 
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Posted 23 January 2016 - 11:26 AM

Neat car Mike and beautifully built... :good: :)

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Posted 29 January 2016 - 02:18 PM

Just wrapping this one up.  Body is completely mounted.

 

I appreciate all of the "nice job" comments, but do you know what makes me happiest?  All of the dudes who say "wow, I used to have one of those" - having the car bring back the memories for you guys the same way it did for me.

 

BTW, if anyone can ID my bitchin yet unknown front wheels, I would appreciate it.

 

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Posted 29 January 2016 - 02:55 PM

Looks like Associated to me, but dc-65x is the wheel guy.


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Posted 29 January 2016 - 04:08 PM

Not Associated - Associated's had several incremental steps (maybe three).  These just have one larger step in the middle of the wheel.


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Posted 30 January 2016 - 12:32 PM

Much better build than the original. Very nice.

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Posted 30 January 2016 - 04:02 PM

There are some that have also used that chassis build guide for chassis designs. Most of mine found their way under Thingie bodies and few paid attention.

But I have one of those brackets issued by Dynamic. Will probably do a build up one of these days.

Your project car looks fantastic! Any chance you would like to see it in print?

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Posted 27 February 2016 - 12:42 AM

Stunning car, makes me want to build one...

 

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Posted 28 March 2016 - 09:54 PM

Mike, it's beautiful!! :good:  :)  :wub:

Is that Noose's paint work? 


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Posted 29 March 2016 - 07:36 PM

Love the Elfin body, one of my all-time favorites!


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Posted 29 March 2016 - 08:41 PM

An all-around beautiful build. :good:

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Posted 28 December 2016 - 10:44 AM

George Hauk was a toolmaker who made the stamped parts and tools and ran the Phaze III factory for Roy Crawley. Roy actually worked with/in the Cobra Slot Car Company and bought out the company when it went under. I think George may have also created the parts and tools for Cobra but I'm not sure.

The earliest Phaze III frames were a redesign of the Cobra chassis. It used different parts and a much sturdier design. (Cars were getting heavier by then after all. Roy also wanted a rugged chassis since he was selling a lot to kids.) I met George a couple of times and I think it was fair to say he fought with everybody at one time or another. He started selling his Ferret parts under that name because ferrets are known to kill cobras... or so the story goes. He eventually fought with Roy too and spun off his business dealings.  
 
The article is dated August '69 which makes sense. The chassis design looks like a cross between the Cobra and Phaze III designs (Cobra had spaces between longitudinal rails, Phaze III didn't). The chassis is executed using-off-the-shelf Ferret parts. It is stated to be an introduction to basic frame making and the basic GP12 hinged bat-pan chassis was pretty common by then. 

Very nice article! Thanks!

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Posted 28 December 2016 - 01:05 PM

I think the front wheels are by Cobra.  


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Posted 28 December 2016 - 01:30 PM

I think you are right.

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Posted 28 December 2016 - 06:45 PM

That overpriced Ferret anglewinder bracket is still being listed on eBay for $27.99.. :laugh2:  :laugh2:


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Posted 29 December 2016 - 12:24 AM

As I recall the "A" front wheel (slick hard plastic with square cross-section) is the style Phaze III supplied on their RTRs. I think the Cobra GP12 came with a front wheel that had a rounded hard rubber tire.

My sense is that Roy kept the solid front axle going on his cars after other manufacturers had gone to 1/16" drop-axles. I think he may have wanted to stick with NCC or whatever track owner convention there had been that required a 1/8" axle and tall tire. He may also have just preferred the stronger components.
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Posted 29 December 2016 - 09:07 AM

Standard front axle was easier to assemble on RTR cars.

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Posted 30 December 2016 - 08:39 AM

Good manufacturer's insight! I would not have known that. I know Roy stayed with the same front axle and there could have been a number of reasons.

I wasn't around when Phaze III closed so I don't know if any of his designs changed. My guess is that they didn't although eventually, before I left in '75, he did allow us to run chassis from other manufacturers. We experimented with a number of them and modified them as needed.
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Posted 04 January 2017 - 12:05 PM

Thanks, Pete.  I really appreciate your first person history of the whole Phaze III / Cobra / Ferret relationship.

 

Here are (some of) my frames that represent the evolution of their chassis development:

 

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You can see that #3 in the bottom row is marked "Cobra" and #1 in the top row is marked "Phaze III".  Otherwise, there are no other markings.

 

And I think the silver one - top right - was manufactured by one of these companies as well.

 

Note that all of the drop arms are the old style flag mount.

 

 


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Posted 05 January 2017 - 06:14 PM

Superbird,You are very accurate with the Ferret Cobra  phaze 3 info. I spoke with George from Ferret about this back in the early 90's.His ferret labels have a picture of a Ferret holding  a Cobra in it's mouth. George was a low keyed hard working machinist ,and a very good one at that. They also claim to be the inventers of the "Push in braid" back in the 60's. George passed away back in the late 90's.Him and his wife Carol  produced slot car supplies right up till the day they passed.I"ve never seen George as being nasty.He felt a little screwed over about some things but would never talk about it unless you asked.I personally felt he was a great guy.P.S. chassis development kinda slowed big time in the mid to late 70's because slot racing was trying to hold on for dear life.I probably met you at the Phase 3 store in Farmingdale N Y back in the 70's .It wasn't like the place was packed with a lot of people.I originally was a Hobbytrack speedway in Levittown racer.......



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Posted 06 January 2017 - 07:07 PM

Hey Brian! Me Too!! I remember Hobbytrack very well as well as (vaguely) EMMRA and the later Cobra small tracks in East Meadow. There were lots of tracks back then. I have said before that Roy was a character but he was also the whole package (track owner, factory owner, salesman, promoter, race announcer, distributor and mentor). Without him we, and many others, would never have had the great slot car experience we did. I didn't know George Hauk very well but I think you were right. He was quiet and to the point. Not nasty but defensive. Yes, he did invent the push-in tab style braid that became the standard ever since. I have not seen the logo you describe but it sound precious!

 

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Posted 06 January 2017 - 07:17 PM

Hey Mike!

 

I am in LOVE with your Cobra Phaze III collection! I especially love the chrome steel COBRA plumber chassis! I have one (non chrome) I got directly (indirectly) from Al Pappas. We found a couple in the parking lot near the dumpster of the COBRA factory which was in probate at the time. There was no legal way for us to buy any and we had never seen them before but Al admitted it was theirs. They had been run over a few times... We refurbished them and I only learned a few years ago (from Philippe) that they had been in production at all! I love mine and drive it whenever I can.

 

You can tell your Phaze III chassis from the COBRAs very easily. The Phaze IIIs all have the wrap-around Ferret motor mount. COBRAs have the lighter soldered in style.

 

Great collection!

 

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