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#26 MSwiss

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Posted 05 February 2016 - 04:34 PM

  Some motors get really fast somehow.


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Posted 05 February 2016 - 05:04 PM

I'm just glad Tracy is willing to own/operate a track and host races.

He had a very successful Hillbilly Nats race. I believe a few of the rules where tweaked from the norm (USRA). Im confident the upcoming Outlaw race will have a great turnout.

Outlaw Series rules are a little different from the norm and have had a successful first year.

Tracy obviously feels his tweak of the rules and cash pay-out is the best bet for his race at his facility.

Don't like the rules, do not race. Race if you like the rules. Simple.

I wish I could make this race. Even though I don't necessarily agree with the motor rule it isn't a make or break reason for me not to race. Money race or not, I've prepared and competed to the best of my ability for both.


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Posted 05 February 2016 - 06:26 PM

I like the no entry fee, no pit pass, $10 hand-out RH Hawks... 13.4 volts.

A handshake after the race ("Good race, man").

There's an attendance-getter...


John,

I believe your comment is meant to be condescending not approval. If I'm incorrect I apologize.

But what you state above has worked for many a slot car track. It's easy to offer cash when you're well off. Most tracks don't have the cash Tracy has. What happens when Tracy gets tired of subsidizing the pay-out with personal cash. He made a beautiful venue, that is all what most of us want.
 
As for me and my posse what you said works for us. I flew from Jersey to the Checkpoint in California and got what you stated. I went home happy.
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Posted 05 February 2016 - 06:31 PM

It's pretty simple.. If you like what the guy is doing,Go race... If not then don't go race...

 

The race in question isn't gonna change anything overall.....


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Posted 05 February 2016 - 06:33 PM

It's a few hundred bucks for cryin' out loud!

 

If you think you're going to get your panties wadded up over chump change(by NASCAR standards) then stay home.

 

The prize money is a gesture by the promoter to show he is serious and appreciates the racers who show up for this special event.

 

Many people spend twice the top payout just to get to some premier races. I don't see any problem with it. If you do....stay home. It's that simple.


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Posted 05 February 2016 - 06:44 PM

why don't we let it play out before we rail for or against. it might just work.

 

or it could be a disaster. I am hoping for the former. if I was at all close to

 

the venue, I would be there.

 

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Posted 05 February 2016 - 06:47 PM

I guess this is the ony time not having A main capable youth is a good thing as it would void their school athletics capabilities if they chose to compete and placed within the top 8.


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Posted 05 February 2016 - 06:54 PM

But $650 could help LOL!


Maybe more, you never know... odds go up for ya if DZ, Ralph T, and Brian A don't show. I like this guy Tracy, he is an outlaw...
 
Some of us didn't race in the old days.
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Posted 05 February 2016 - 07:11 PM

I wonder how much print/media advertising he could have gotten for $2K?


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Posted 05 February 2016 - 07:38 PM

I especially like the hand-out motor idea. Even if they want to run the PS motors. 
 
Some motors get really fast somehow.

 

Some tend to get really fast when they leave the raceway and then come back.

 

If Dan at Pro Slot thinks he is the only one with his seals, I would think again.

 

GVP 


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Posted 05 February 2016 - 07:51 PM

James Merriman and I raced for money a few years ago in Elizebethton, TN. The promoter had sponsors to put up cash for two races. James won a race and I won a race. I didn't see anybody getting upset or arguing at all. 

 

James and I were both happy to leave with our pockets full of cash!! Remember that race, James?


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Posted 05 February 2016 - 08:14 PM

Yeah, that was good day. Nothing like having a trip paid for!
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Posted 05 February 2016 - 08:26 PM

I don't see a problem in small cash prizes as long as the race is not detracting from other traditional events. For myself I would prefer a trophy or at least a participation plaque for my efforts. Let's see what happens before we rush to judgement. I don't think this is a trend however. 


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Posted 05 February 2016 - 08:54 PM

The problem with the whole deal isn't just money. Running two different motors, what pinions rule ,who is going to tech this mess, 14.2 volts. Why the classes he picked, there aren't even that many people that have Can-Am Plus cars, why not F1 or Coupe and Can-Am?


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Posted 05 February 2016 - 09:15 PM

I also agree with Jersey John. Beautiful venue I've been dying to run on this new track but the whole thing just leaves a bad taste.


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Posted 05 February 2016 - 09:54 PM

Then don't go! The track owner has made up his mind on rules and pay-out.


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Posted 05 February 2016 - 10:40 PM

$2K advertising?
 
Traditional print/media just doesn't work for slots.   
Mag subscriptions across the board are off 10% per year, five years+.
Newspapers are surviving for now.
 
Sports nowadays are all about promoting the pros...

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Posted 06 February 2016 - 03:32 AM

All you naysayers need to live and let live. Tracy's race isn't going to change Retro racing as a whole. Let it go.
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Posted 06 February 2016 - 05:46 AM

I guess that some racers aren't happy unless they are complaining about something trivial. :(  :(
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Posted 06 February 2016 - 08:06 AM

OK.... money races. I'm not for creating an expectation of racing for money. However, if there are unique events or a series ending up with a cash prize I'm OK.

Here's why: if it is something a track does once a year for a big event and maybe also for holiday races, it does in fact stir interest in new racers. If there's money folks get interested in learning how to get it.

That being said, I've seen the impact of regular money racing in drag races and it can be tense, brings in a different racing group, and changes relationships.

So once in awhile to make folks take notice (it's certainly working for this race) but keep it away from any regularity.


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Posted 06 February 2016 - 08:21 AM

The drag racing I'm familiar with has a cash pay-out. The pot is split 50/50 1st/2nd. The only arguments are over race procedure. At the end of the day they are all friends. And it is the biggest class at the raceway.
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Posted 06 February 2016 - 08:58 AM

One big event drag race that I attended about 11 years ago had money added to the purses. There so many people showed up that we where using the road course track for pit space. There where several fights that broke out over people handling other people's cars. I had to call my son to the track to guard my box.

 

And several times the racing had to be stoped because after a racer had prepped his lane someone had put oil on the track in an attempt to slow him down.

 

We started racing at 9 AM and the last run was at 12:50 AM the next morning. Many racers got tired of all the crap that was goinig on and just withdrew.

 

Does that sound like fun?

 

Worst experience ever.


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Posted 06 February 2016 - 08:58 AM

Obviously Tracy is a smart and successful man.

Just because he is running the race his way instead of following IRRA® 100% is no reason to knock it.

 

Sounds like this is going to be a great race.


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Posted 06 February 2016 - 09:22 AM

I've been to many big pay-out races. Terry Kelly did these every year. I never saw people cheating they just go far with the rules and then some (I was the tech nazi).
We didn't have any more arguments or meltdowns than I've seen on any Sat night.

 

So, Les, I think you should make this race... it'll change your mind... it's gonna be a ball. Seeing and racing all the great guys in both Retro series... I'd like to see some of this continue. IMO I think it'll help both series (IRRA® and RETRO).


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Posted 06 February 2016 - 09:26 AM

One big event drag race that I attended about 11 years ago had money added to the purses. There so many people showed up that we where using the road course track for pit space. There where several fights that broke out over people handling other people's cars. I had to call my son to the track to guard my box.
 
And several times the racing had to be stoped because after a racer had prepped his lane someone had put oil on the track in an attempt to slow him down.
 
We started racing at 9 AM and the last run was at 12:50 AM the next morning. Many racers got tired of all the crap that was goinig on and just withdrew.
 
Does that sound like fun?
 
Worst experience ever.


I'm going to go out a limb and suggest the race wasn't managed well.

The track shouldn't be accessible for folks to apply oil between races. No crowding the track, in drag racing the track is like the putting green in golf. Folks stay back and stay quiet.

 

Pit space is always hard to manage.

 

If you are renting you want every sq ft to be profitable. You want to fill it with track, too. Regular weekly racing sees 10 or maybe 20 folks using pit space. Then you have a big event and everyone wonders why you don't have 50 tables for pit space. It's because you pay monthly rent for unused pit space between those big events.

 

So he used his road course as pit space. I wouldn't do that myself because I love my tracks and can't imagine damage from pit boxes but that was his solution.

Racers gotta behave and be patient.

 

Cheaters have to be called out and invited to repent or leave.

 

Owners need to plan ahead of time to maximize the floor space and track management as best they can.

We all have to do this together. 50 racers can't look to one overwhelmed owner on event day to police everyone. Racers need to govern behavior internally and diplomatically. Lots of fragile egos in slot racing. Correct with kindness. Remember a gentle answer turns away wrath.

And one last observation about this money stuff.

 

There are a handful of guys on disability or simply unemployed for whatever reason. Some it's unfortunate circumstances and for others it's low skill sets. They enjoy racing drag or slots so figure they might be able to pay the light bill if they win a race or two. They can't make a living doing drag racing. Heck, the owner of the track isn't making a living. These hurting souls need to be helped to see that they need to keep a right perspective on this hobby/sport. And they need to find a way to earn revenue through legitimate work. I'm afraid cash prizes might be an a temptation for the desperate folks out there. And that might drive them to cheat.

 

Enough philosophy. Don't know what got into me.


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