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#1 tonyp

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Posted 06 February 2016 - 09:42 AM

A while ago there was a good thread on Dremel replacements. I can't find it.

 

Any one using something different them Dremel they like?


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Posted 06 February 2016 - 10:37 AM

Hi Tony,

 

     I use the Proxxon.  They make two...one is a more "professional" model that has a diecast body, but uses collets.  They also have a lower-proiced on that uses a chuck.  I use the chuck one because I change bits and shaft sizes so often that changing collets is too much bother.  Either way, the tool is so much smoother running and quieter and better built than any of the Dremels that it's not even close.  I used to go through Dremels like crazy, but now not so much with the Proxxon.  Here's the one I use:

http://www.proxtools...3&idcategory=26

 

Here's the higher-priced one:

 

http://www.proxtools...0&idcategory=26

 

 

     I've heard that many use the very inexpensive rotary tools from Harbor Freight and similar and like them, but have no experience with them.

 

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Posted 06 February 2016 - 10:54 AM

Does anyone know if the Dremel Multi-Pro chuck will fit the Proxon?



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Posted 06 February 2016 - 11:22 AM

Totally Proxxon here. I use the 12v one for easily 90% of my chassis building, I really like its small light vibration free qualities. I also have the larger one that typically sets in the Proxxon drill press over in my "machining center". I do use my band saw for heavy brass cutting/rough out of pieces, saving discs and extending tool life. I have foot switches at the power tool stations that are used most for convenience. I found that the Proxxon products are very high quality.

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Posted 06 February 2016 - 11:22 AM

get a black+decker tool from target for $31.39, better than any dremel on the market.

http://www.target.co...erm=rotary tool


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Posted 06 February 2016 - 11:46 AM

Thanks guys. I'll check them out.

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Posted 06 February 2016 - 11:58 AM

Hi Tony,

 

If you want a Dremel replacement for your workbench, this is my pick:

 

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Posted 06 February 2016 - 01:29 PM

I currently use the Black and Decker and I think it is adequate but I am not hugely impressed. The first one ate up the bearings in well under a year. I got it replaced and got another as well so I now have two. The Dremel adjustable chuck fits the B&D but seems to go out of true pretty fast (6 months?). I use the collet for cutting because it runs more true and the chuck for less critical stuff like sanding tire edges or polishing wire etc.The price is right on the BD but IMO it's not a great tool.

 

The Harbor Freight item that looks vaguely similar to the Proxxon is actually better than the BD. It is smoother, quieter and with the collet, the cutting disc runs more true than the BD but the adjustable chuck does not fit. The HF tool ran it's course in a couple years due to shorting in the power switch. Also, it appears that they no longer have collets for that tool so I scrapped it.


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Posted 06 February 2016 - 06:16 PM

Dremel 12V Lithium-ion Rotary Tool 8220 (EN) r36938v15.jpg

I have been using this. It is heavy, but I like that it has no cord.  Has good power, decent run time.

For delicate jobs, I use a Proxon 12v skinny


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Posted 06 February 2016 - 06:34 PM

I have a Ryobi HT200VS that I like a lot, and a couple so-so ones that are generic brands, corded and cordless. 

The Dremel co. burned me badly a while back by refusing to supply critical (and poorly designed I might add) internal replacement parts like the couplings ("just buy a new tool" they said!). So I avoid theirs. 

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Posted 06 February 2016 - 09:52 PM

Are all the tools mentioned above variable speed? I know the Foredom is, how about the others? Does anyone still make a single high speed dremel-type tool?


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Posted 07 February 2016 - 03:52 AM

I have a Ryobi that I have had for about 10-12 years.  Corded type, I just use the small chuck rather than collets. It does have adjustable speed.  Between work and home,I have found Ryobi products are far better than B&D.


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Posted 07 February 2016 - 11:49 AM

Another vote for the Proxxon.  Great smooth running tool.  Have had one for 5+ years with zero problems.


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Posted 07 February 2016 - 12:05 PM

One thing to consider about the Foredom is the slim hand piece feels like you're holding a scalpel in your hand.........a typical "Dremel" style tool is like holding a club or chain saw.


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Posted 07 February 2016 - 02:05 PM

Too many choices. Lol

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Posted 07 February 2016 - 03:07 PM

Last I knew, the Foredom units were manufactured  in the US by Blackstone Industries in CT. Power carvers use them extensively.


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Posted 07 February 2016 - 03:24 PM

Sadly, Foredom is almost 3 times the price of a Dremel over here :(



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Posted 07 February 2016 - 04:14 PM

Everyone pays for US quality. :good:


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Posted 08 February 2016 - 01:05 AM

get a black+decker tool from target for $31.39, better than any dremel on the market.

http://www.target.co...erm=rotary tool

 

The B&D has some nice features but the one I have is not smooth through the rpm ranges. I will keep using it until it bites the dust but will probably go back to a Dremel.


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Posted 08 February 2016 - 09:36 AM

Count me in as a Proxxon fanboy.  Best multi-purpose power tool I've ever used for this hobby and I've been in and out of the hobby since the mid-60's.



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Posted 08 February 2016 - 09:59 AM

One thing to consider about the Foredom is the slim hand piece feels like you're holding a scalpel in your hand.........a typical "Dremel" style tool is like holding a club or chain saw.

We had a Foredom at Koford and I hated it because of the skinny metal handle.

Along with it frequently slipping in my hand, once it got hot, which seemed to be quickly, it stayed hot.

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Posted 08 February 2016 - 10:03 AM

Looks like I'll have to try proxxon. Anyone know if lowes handles this line. Also does Dremel junk fit?

Thank a again for helping a newcomer to chassis building. My current Dremel is one of the digital jobs. 8'years old and starting to really vibrate.
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Posted 08 February 2016 - 10:06 AM

It has a Jacobs style chuck so everything is interchangeable and variable spped.  All the accessories I use are Dremel.  Like John H. said you can change over to different things (cut off disc to a very thin drill bit) in no time. 

 

I think I bought mine on Amazon.



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Posted 08 February 2016 - 10:28 AM

Thanks.

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Posted 08 February 2016 - 12:12 PM

What is a "Jacobs style chuck"?



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Posted 08 February 2016 - 12:20 PM

Adjustable vs. using collets.

IOW, a smaller version of what you typically see on a drill press.

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Posted 08 February 2016 - 01:16 PM

Tony, please let us know how you like the Proxxon after you give it a try.


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Posted 08 February 2016 - 01:25 PM

I recently purchased the big daddy Lithium Dremel because I have too many cords at my workspace and I needed something immediately. I have looked at the Proxxons for a long time, just never needed anything of that quality until recently. I know Howie has always raved about them.

 

Hey and it comes in retro green and baby poop yellow, so you know it has to be good. I think we had appliances in these exact same colors at one point as well.


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Posted 08 February 2016 - 03:18 PM

One thing I forgot to mention when I was expounding on the virtues of the Proxxon tool is that they come with an extra long power cord which is very nice.



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Posted 08 February 2016 - 04:30 PM

John I will.

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Posted 13 February 2016 - 11:49 PM

The Black & Decker one mentioned above is really a nice tool. Mine is 5 years old or so and flawless.

The Dremel adjustable chuck works great with it.
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Posted 03 September 2016 - 11:07 AM

Short answer: +1 for proxxon.

 

long answer- While I am relatively new to slot cars, I have been building with rotary tools for > 30 years. model warships for combat, RC cars, gunsmithing, woodcarving, custom building grab-and-go kits for emergency communications. The Dremel has been a staple in my shop all those years. my original just gave up the ghost last year. you know, the one that was well built and all you had to do was replace brushes when they wore out!?! My most recent corded Dremel brand died last week after less than one year of relatively light use. circuit board blew. I did a complete tear down and went over the mechanicals and they are still fine. clunky but fine. vibrates too much. all the complaints you have heard. they are true. 

 

Black and Decker Wizzards  - corded and cordless have worked ( i have used 2 cordless and one corded. the cordless lasted 3 years. one cordless is still going after 16 years of use)  but still not as precise as I would like. to be honest, the little 3.6 volt interchangeable battery pack version has served well for travel and has decent power for such a low voltage unit. Remember ; torque equals voltage, rpm equals amperage for the most part given the same wind...physics...yada yada. 

 

The new Li battery Dremel has been very nice so far and fits in the go kit for races and boat battles. this is a big jump up in power over the B & D models at a bigger price - $90 range vs $25.

 

For an experiment, I got the harbor freight tiny unit that plugs into the wall with a wall wart type power supply. this is simply a 12 volt motor device with a low end power supply. pretty weak but will handle sanding drums and polishing chores. my advice: cut the cord and put connectors to go on your adjustable supply in your slot car box and use it for fine tuning bodies and the like at a race. it is small and fits in a lot of spaces without a lot of weight if used like this.

 

Always thought the Proxxon was expensive. Purchased one 2 weeks ago on Dieter's recommendation ( man gives excellent advice) 

WOW! no vibrations. quiet motor. beaucoup power. good heft. The FBS was $69.   I am very impressed. I will not buy another Dremel. Of course, I probably won't have to. German quality. nuff said.


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