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#1 MSwiss

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Posted 25 February 2016 - 09:29 PM

Seeing some of Phil Donaldson's recently-posted cars, and checking out fellow raceway owner, Mike McMasters, chassis building handiwork, inspired me to post a few of my chassis.
 
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Posted 25 February 2016 - 09:45 PM

Awesome cars, Mike!

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Posted 25 February 2016 - 11:02 PM

Thanks for posting this hand-cut true art.
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Posted 26 February 2016 - 12:00 PM

I love the Olympic Rings chassis!!! I would love to repop this frame on my waterjet... yes!!!

 

I bet you would not allow close-up pics like this back in the day... top secret designs!!!

 

Cool pic!!

 

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Posted 26 February 2016 - 12:47 PM

The offhand comment about that chassis was, "It looks like a baseplate for a Holley four-barrel."

It was pretty hard to keep chassis designs under wraps. 

 

The most famous attempt was Csaba S. at a Midwest USRA race. He teched his car in with the bottom covered with masking tape. He even kneeled down and removed it under the driver's panel, when he went to qualify.

It was all motivated by him building a perimeter car, a design by Stuart and myself, that he had spent the previous few months badmouthing.

He then proceeded to set a world record, being the first racer to break the 2.5 second barrier.


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Posted 26 February 2016 - 12:59 PM

Yeah... Csaba... the one who would palm a steel ruler cut off to about 4.75" and hang out around tech to take "secret" measurements on other chassis.

 

And don't even try to engrave his chassis for tech... holy crap!!


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Posted 26 February 2016 - 01:13 PM

I saw the engraving "situations" many a time.

With that first perimeter car, even with the tape on it, he would not permit the tech guy to turn it upside down.

62% of my three-beer old slot car stories involve Csaba.


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Posted 26 February 2016 - 01:19 PM

Mike, what cars won what events?



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Posted 26 February 2016 - 01:22 PM

I'll repost the pics separately, with a blurb, at future breakfast and lunch breaks.

Back to work.

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Posted 26 February 2016 - 01:42 PM

Mike-

 

How long did it take you to cut one of these chassis?

 

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Posted 26 February 2016 - 02:18 PM

Maybe four-eight hours.


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Posted 26 February 2016 - 02:25 PM

Two hours for me.


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Posted 26 February 2016 - 02:52 PM

Four-eight or two hours!

 

I can't cut my toenails in that amount of time.  :shok:

 

Love this work.

 

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Posted 26 February 2016 - 03:01 PM

Two hours for me.

 

You have to remember, I was doing this for my personal cars, not for evil $$$, like you.

 

Plus, I wasn't all gooped up on gop, like you.


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Posted 26 February 2016 - 03:41 PM

Mike,

 

It looks like those are posted oldest-to-newest, correct?


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Posted 26 February 2016 - 03:50 PM

Yes.

Early '83-91.


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Posted 26 February 2016 - 03:51 PM

Originally, I spent half the time changing those small 3/4" discs; one Dremel disc for each three inches of cutting.

 

Things went much faster when I started using the 1.5" ones. You guys were slow.   :laugh2:


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Posted 26 February 2016 - 04:37 PM

Mike,

 

You have been keeping these hidden from me. I love to see old slot cars, and you have some of the most interesting.



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Posted 26 February 2016 - 05:07 PM

Dave,

 

Didn't know you cared. LOL.
 
Next time you're in, make sure I show you this one. With some of the slot car stuff you fabricate, this one may impress you the most.
 
An aluminum minimal skeleton, laminated inside three and four layers of carbon fiber.
 
Not great, but better pics are now shown.

 

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Posted 26 February 2016 - 05:59 PM

The folks that race on the Purple Mile need to see the design you used to beat all those USRA National Champs in 1990.


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Posted 26 February 2016 - 09:28 PM

I was trying to avoid EDM-cut chassis.
 
I'm not sure if this is the exact Quadrail, but it looked like this. I designed it, inspired by the four-rail wire cars Jay Horn and Dan Green ran well with in that era.
 
Those chassis may or not of been inspired by chassis built by East Coast race, Gary Pearce.
 
IOW, not sure who copied who.
 
My Quadrail was more of a visual copy since it didn't have the outer rails flex like the JH, DG, GP wire cars.

 

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Posted 03 March 2016 - 01:56 PM

I got back into slot racing in late 81, essentially based on Jerry Kulich and his daughter walking into the wholesale company I worked for, and ordering Parma merchandise for his new raceway in Berwyn.

I picked up a Womp and a G15 RTR, and soon was racing seriously.

After building a few of my own chassis, using the Parma center section, and then cutting a few of my own, I thought it would be fun to build something different.

Proslot, or possibly Camen, sold 3" X 5" pieces of 1095 spring steel.

Having a Dremel drill press, I decided I could use those outer edges to cut real straight lines, and by flipping it over, have the right and left rails match almost exactly.

Getting at cutting out the middle rail presented a clearance problem with the drill press clamp, but I notched that, and I was in business.

While cutting out the center section turned out to be easy, hanging the pans was a nightmare.

As you can see from my below pic, it was adding one down and upstop after another.

I remember saying to myself, this chassis better run good, because it's way too much work.

At the first race I ran it, G27 on a fast Hasse King in Kankakee, I was pretty underwhelmed.

I qualified 5th and probably finished about the same.

The car was predictable, but loose.

The outer rails were about as wide as the middle rail, so I decided I had nothing to lose, and using the Dremel drill press, quickly trimmed them in half.

This totally transformed the car.

At the next race, on the much slower American Red at Mark Mattei's Cycle Smithy, I easily TQ'ed and won the race, beating the other, mostly Pro built cars in the race.

I still remember the reaction from two of the "big shots" at the race.

Before the race, in tech, I asked my future boss, Stuart Koford, what he thought of the chassis.

Rolling his eyes, he replied "Ooookayyyy".

After the race, Csaba, who had built the cars favored to win the race, quickly threw my friend Mark Rosenwinkel, under the bus, "Mark's an OK driver, but he doesn't compare to you".

The below chassis, without gaps between the pans, where the outer rails were radically narrowed, this must be the 2nd one built, made so I could run #1 in G27, and use this one to start racing Semi-Pro G7.

This chassis would of been used to win the the first G7 race, I entered, the Midwest Nat's, beating out Texas big bucks racers David McClain and Henry Pena, along with Fantom's Ray Birmele.

The car was good, but I didn't dazzle the field.

I just used the strategy that worked well for me in future years, run your own race, get as many laps as you can get with the equipment you have that particular day.

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Posted 03 March 2016 - 04:35 PM

Crazy.

 

What body did you run on this?


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Posted 03 March 2016 - 04:59 PM

O/S Ferrari's.

 

The car(s) didn't really behave much different than conventional cars of the day.

 

Where things really started to change, was in 1984, when I ditched the conventional plumber and pans.

 

Will get to that in future blurbs about the other chassis.


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Posted 04 March 2016 - 03:56 AM

This might be broken off into another thread. It may have been covered.

 

As long as we discussing cutting steel chassis with Dremel tools I am wondering if there is a supply of the THIN 409 Dremel disks that can be bought?


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Posted 04 March 2016 - 06:30 AM

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Posted 04 March 2016 - 09:14 AM

Thanks for posting these stories Mike. Keep them coming
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Posted 06 March 2016 - 04:06 PM

Cut-off wheels/separating disks, big, with really high edge speed but, just as fragile/thin as the Dremel 409.

I've used GFC 10.540-1,100 pc, 1-1/2 x .025, since the Seventies but they don't appear to be around any more, so, these alternatives:

 

http://www.ebay.com/...WgK7F7VxS4zawrQ

 

http://www.ebay.com/...WgK7F7VxS4zawrQ

 

 


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Posted 07 March 2016 - 04:00 AM

Moore's is practically in my backyard! :o


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Posted 25 May 2016 - 09:00 AM

Mike,thanks for sharing and please keep stuff coming.

This is the stuff from my era of when I got into slots,a lot like these guys and their cars from the 60's.I got my first womp around 92-93 and I was off to the races soon after.I was lucky because the guy that opened our track received a bunch of SARNback issues that I somehow ended up with and I read them 100 times over.They didnt have a ton of tech info in them but what they did have I used to my advantage and became the local hot shot.My buddy and I were the ones to beat and we did it with no budget.The thing we lacked was wing cars and racing but I used to send my dad to tracks in his travels and he'd bring me a chassis or something for helping around the house and thats how I ended up with a Box stock 15 and not long after a int 15 from Zap and Pro Slot.

 

Having the fastest car at the track and wining a few group 10 racesI really thought I was hot stuff. So I bused it to a big race at Zepplin on NJ Transit.I'm fairly certain you were racing Pro-7 that time.Although to be honest I was too busy getting severely spanked to care about much else at the time.I should have known to pack it in when I had to dip into my bus money home just to get my cars through tech,but I dont take no for a answer much ;) Needless to say I didnt do so well but I learned tons that day that made me a much better racer and while I never won a regional or big race I did extremely well for my limited budget and had a hell of a time.I'd show up to race with 2-3 15A motors against guys with 20 or more.So if I took a few heats it was a win for me.It was kind of weird though because as more money came along from being older the challenge faded some and as most do I drifted off into other things.Well lets face it for most around 18-or so chasing women trumps racing slots ;)

 

Anyways thanks for letting me take a quick trip down memory lane and I hope that you continue to share.This was a really inovative period for slot cars yet there is so very little information around for this time period.Like the first glory years I think these years also deserve not to be forgotten.

 

 

 


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