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#26 Pablo

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Posted 24 March 2016 - 08:52 PM

Thanks, Bill, for the "spare" Faas spur you are sending me :dance3: :laugh2:

Back at The Ranch, it appears this is all going to work fine.....

I know the motor needs to come to the left a hair, and it will, when I remove a little more material from the tube.

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Posted 24 March 2016 - 09:46 PM

Is it my imagination, or is that drop arm not 1 1/4" wide?


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Posted 25 March 2016 - 06:41 AM

It is 1 1/4, is that a problem ? It leaves me .25" rail space, which is more than enough for twin .063 rails plus an .055 plumber rail.....


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Posted 25 March 2016 - 06:48 AM

1 1/4 drop arms became the standard. Build on Sir Pablo.

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Posted 25 March 2016 - 09:29 AM

It is 1 1/4, is that a problem ? 

 

Not a problem. I was wondering why you would need the Fass hub to be shortened. I ran Fass gears over ten ten years & never had a hub problem. And I was running 3" & 3 1/16" wheel to wheel widths too. It could be caused by the combination of the Okeefe wheel widths & the length of the rear axle tube.


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Posted 25 March 2016 - 10:07 AM

Overall width of the wheels is .810.

Tube length isn't an issue because I can cut them however I want.

There is no "hub problem", and I could have made it work by increasing the motor angle, but I chose not to.

I only removed about 7 thou.

 

My insistence in centering the balance point of the motor is what makes it tricky.


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Posted 25 March 2016 - 02:07 PM

Final checks with the "real" motor before going nuts with rails n whatnot.

The pinion needed to be cut, then polished

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Posted 25 March 2016 - 02:45 PM

I never had a problem mounting a C-can motor in an inch & a quarter wide motor box. Different strokes for different folks. :)


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Posted 25 March 2016 - 03:44 PM

Tube is finished

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Posted 26 March 2016 - 04:44 PM

Motor brace/tube strengthener is permanent - jig motor is just tacked in.

Sharpie dot on right side marks top of tube.

Time to get those precious gears out of there for a bath !!

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Wire tinning party complete - .063's and .055's

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Posted 27 March 2016 - 07:38 PM

Wasn't happy with the solid .050 drop arm, so I switched to this -

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An .032 and a .040, sandwiched together :D

Either one of them, alone, would need the tongue re-tweaked after each and every deslot at the speeds this heavy car will reach.

The rectangular void will make soldering the inner main rails much easier (than the solid .050 arm was).

If I want to fill that void, some Lucky Bob's lead and Slick 7 bulletproofing will do the trick, allowing it to sit at ground zero :wink2:


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Posted 27 March 2016 - 08:33 PM

Another job for Mr mini torch :D

Definitely one solid yet open drop arm!

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Posted 27 March 2016 - 08:57 PM

When the minitorch and copious amounts of Stay-Clean won't get the solder flowing fast enough, you know it's time for some re-thinking :dash2: :crazy:


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Posted 28 March 2016 - 12:43 PM

A rear end only a mother could love

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Drop arm sandwich that doesn't drop

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Posted 28 March 2016 - 04:00 PM

Nice :good: didn't see a fixed drop arm coming.

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Posted 28 March 2016 - 04:24 PM

:prankster2:  Hit you by surprise ? :laugh2:

Stand by, more to follow


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Posted 28 March 2016 - 05:10 PM

BAM! That fixed drop arm reminds me of PdL's Diamond chassis:

 

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Posted 28 March 2016 - 05:49 PM

I guess I've been figured out :)

This isn't a Philippe de Lespinay Diamond clone, but it will surely look very similar.

What's not to like ? No power is wasted via hinged drop arm, front wheels don't upset the car, etc.

Rick, I've been parked on your "Neat Things Pro Diamond Car" thread for a week.

Good thing there are no "meter maids" on Slotblog - I can't afford the tickets :laugh2:


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Posted 28 March 2016 - 06:36 PM

Sorry if I outed you Pablo.  :o  When  I saw you center section it just screamed out to me. :D  This car should really scoot.  :dance3: Onward!


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Posted 28 March 2016 - 06:57 PM

Spent many a time looking at that thread of Rick's :good: :D

With a view to one day attempting a car like the Diamond :heart:

Out of curiosity Rick, what wire did you use for the diamond front arms/axles?

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Posted 28 March 2016 - 07:23 PM

I used 1/16" K&S piano wire Paul. One could also make an "L" arm style front axle that evolved after PdL's innovative "Diamond" axles. We'll have to wait and see what Pablo has in store for us. :good:


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Posted 29 March 2016 - 04:18 PM

PdL's front wheel design is perfect, and dc-65x shows how to do it perfectly.

I cut 3/32 brass tube sleeves for the wheels, then dropped a little Loctite 271 down the set screw holes

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Posted 30 March 2016 - 09:47 AM

Philippe's reported toe-in and camber was 2 and 5 degrees respectively

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Posted 30 March 2016 - 03:37 PM

The way I wrapped my axle and the way I'll do my down stops is a little different than the "Diamond",

but the end result will be about the same. Maybe not as pretty, but it's intended to be a workhorse :D :aggressive:

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Posted 30 March 2016 - 04:26 PM

Bullet proof? More like nuke proof :D

That is some serious wire wrapping.





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