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#1 Mike Patterson

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Posted 24 March 2016 - 08:31 PM

My desire to compete in future IRRA™ events has suddenly disappeared. Way to go, BoD!


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Posted 24 March 2016 - 08:45 PM

Oh this should get good... LOL.


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Posted 24 March 2016 - 09:07 PM

It just had the opposite effect in me. My desire to participate has increased.


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Posted 24 March 2016 - 09:14 PM

Total BS.

This does nothing but hurt the racers. Why was this even necessary? Some guys can't drive the Hawk as well as the PD on driver tracks, such as Tom Thumb. A PD motor was never protested, so obviously no one was too convinced any motors were illegal.


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Posted 24 March 2016 - 09:15 PM

Well, I'm not happy about the PS-FKs going away in Can-Am Plus. The thing I like about that class is the brakes. Only race it once a year but it was fun while it lasted at the Brawl.

 

Jason

 

PS: I was going to try PDs In F1 this year guess that's out also.

 

And no choice. Does that mean those 5% don't matter? Saw some PDs in the Mains at R4/9.


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Posted 24 March 2016 - 09:50 PM

Where the hell did this come from? Very bad decision!...


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Posted 24 March 2016 - 10:51 PM

Thank you, Dan Debella (Pro Slot), for giving us a great motor.

 

Sorry for you and the hobby that your product was such a threat that competition is snuffed out with the Puppy Dog. Thank you, Cap, for your post.

 

Maybe we better take away all bodies but the various versions of the Ti22. They might be a threat also.


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Posted 25 March 2016 - 06:07 AM

How many PDs made Finals at R4/9?


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Posted 25 March 2016 - 08:16 AM

Note: the database glitch that took Slotblog offline for about 20 mins seemingly caused several posts from this thread to not return when the blog came back online, including at least one of mine. No posts were intentionally deleted. Stuff happens during server migrations, unfortunately.

 

Please just remake your post, if you had one disappear, like I am doing here.

 

Don't have info on how many PDs made the Finals but from memory here are the number of PDs entered at the R4/9:

 

1 in GTC-Pro

3 in Can-Am

5 in F1

 

Out of 123 non-hand-out entries.


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Posted 25 March 2016 - 08:19 AM

Awful decision.

You don't want to look like a dictatorship... yet today that's what we have.

The racers are the only losers... and you just gave a lot of ammunition to some.


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Posted 25 March 2016 - 08:31 AM

Well, I'm going to World Famous PJ Raceway tomorrow for GTC and Can-Am. Checking the seat cushions for motor program money. :laugh2:


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Posted 25 March 2016 - 08:41 AM

I guess you guys didn't notice the day these rules go into affect, "April Fools Day". 

In all seriousness though, I once asked, about two years or so ago, what would happen if the new FK motor would end up being faster than the Puppy Dog. The reply I got was, "Don't worry it won't be but if it is we won't approve it." That response came from a prominent BoD member. Guess he was wrong for the first time.
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Posted 25 March 2016 - 08:47 AM

You don't want to look like a dictatorship... yet today that's what we have.


It's not exactly accurate to term the IRRA® Board a "dictatorship" when it has five members. A dictator is singular and makes decisions solely as he sees fit. And that's not the case here.

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Posted 25 March 2016 - 08:49 AM

I guess you guys didn't notice the day these rules go into affect, "April Fools Day".


To be accurate, the Approved Motor List changes takes effect only for IRRA® Premier Events on April 1, 2016.

 

For the full IRRA® ruleset, the changes take effect on January 1, 2017, more than nine months down the road.


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Posted 25 March 2016 - 08:55 AM

There were two in the top 16, one in the main for Can-Am and four in the top 16 and two in the main for F1.

 

I only race a few times a year now so my opinion don't really matter but I liked having the option to run both. I had faster Hawks at the R4 but ran PDs because I drive better with more brakes on that track.


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Posted 25 March 2016 - 09:30 AM

:crazy: Sarcasm Alert :sarcastic_hand:

 

OK, Let's make it a democracy. I vote/nominate for built C-cans with Wasp/Contender arms. No seals. (Heck, I got a bunch of those) Gp-20 for Anglewinder.

 

All nominations/variations of motors will go to a primary vote. Voters need to have raced in at least one IRRA® event. Then the top two will go to a general election.

 

The final voting will be done at the next R4 by attending racers signed in for at least one non-hand out race.

 

If this sounds kinda' familiar it should. And how does THAT work? Go look at the attendance/entries for that answer.

 

I think going back to a one spec. motor will prove to be beneficial to the majority of racers. You will never make everyone happy. But if the majority is happy then you have an ipso facto democracy.

 

Now I have to go return some bottles and cans so I can afford to buy the one set of Thunder Mediums I'll use tomorrow. Then I'll true them down to .800" to use in F1.


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Posted 25 March 2016 - 09:31 AM

I for the most part go by tell me the rules and I will race by them. But this I cannot agree with. As Cap and others have brought up the PD works better on some tracks, especially in braking zones. The PD and RH are as close in performance as you can get, other than brakes.

 

I only have four PDs so the financial burden is not a problem for me, others maybe more.

 

How many Falcon 7 and TSR motors were at the R-4? Less than 5%? So why not eliminate them also?

 

Don't know if anybody else remembers the shortage of F7 motors a few years back, but the RH is subject to the same forces.

 

And how did the PSFK motor get bumped out of Can-Am Plus?

 

I would hope the BOD would reconsider this action, because having two motors of equal performance is much better than one choice.


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Posted 25 March 2016 - 09:32 AM

I think that this motor rule is very good. It consolidates my flexi racing with IRRA® Retro racing.

 

Just my point of view on the matter.


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Posted 25 March 2016 - 10:08 AM

Sorry not a dictatorship... an axis of evil LOL. But serioudly. To do this did nothing. It now has taken the focus away from a great R4 and shifted it to bickering.

What was the point? A motor that few use... why even bother with this? Seems like nothing more than a way to get at the evil one in any way possible. Egos may have played a bigger part in this than racing it seems.


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Posted 25 March 2016 - 10:08 AM

Not sure what is driving this, but the competitive environment in the racing was very much dictating motor selection away from the Puppy Dog and has been for quite some time to the JK Hawk.

I know there were some top tier drivers who were using the PD in their F1 cars at the R4/9 because of better brakes, but I wouldn't view it as a resurgent tsunami of acceptance of the Puppy Dog. It was just one of those things that in all probability was a passing concept like so many other things in slot racing are over the years.

With the shift to the JK Hawk over the last couple of years and movement away from the Puppy Dog this eventual banning of the motor seems to be a solution for a problem that didn't exist. Don't get me wrong, I think the approval of the JK Hawk as a big positive for Retro racing in general, but the elimination of the Puppy Dog is just confusing activity with productivity.


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Posted 25 March 2016 - 10:38 AM

I think the removal of the PS-FK from Can-Am Plus makes the class largely irrelevant as the class with the PS-FK isn't that much faster than regular Can-Am, this change will only bring them even closer together.
 
As to the removal of the PD option, I don't see why this was necessary since it is so little used, but it seems a worthwhile option for tracks and classes where brakes are at a premium. YMMV.
 
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Posted 25 March 2016 - 10:53 AM

Is money involved somewhere in this decision? Politics? Personal feelings. Why else take away options?
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Posted 25 March 2016 - 10:56 AM

So far I have agreed with IRRA® BOD decisions. However, on this one I have a disagreement.

 

Of course that may partially be because I saw the better brakes for F1 at the R4 and bought two, all of which adds up to zero. Oh well, that won't break me. But I won't be able to use them elsewhere. I recall Noose mentioning something about motors at the R4 but I must admit I wasn't listening that closely.


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Posted 25 March 2016 - 11:02 AM

Looking at Bill Fulmer's pictures I counted:
10 PDs in F1.
5 PDs in Can Am
1 PD in GTC

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Posted 25 March 2016 - 11:15 AM

Why else take away options?


Because simplification in any endeavor almost always brings benefits.

Can you point to any time in slot racing history where adding complexity, i.e. more options, has increased participation or generated closer racing?

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