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Posted 31 March 2016 - 12:34 PM

The IRRA® Board of Directors is announcing a moratorium on submissions of new Ti22 bodies for use in IRRA® racing. The current Approved Body List contains a proliferation of this model, more than enough choices to satisfy racers' needs.

 
The procedure for submitting new bodies for consideration is also being amended and will now require a quantity of five (5) bodies, with one being sent to each BoD member.

 

(Posted for the IRRA® Board by Joe Neumeister)


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Posted 31 March 2016 - 12:58 PM

Have youse guyz been buried by new offerings?


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Posted 31 March 2016 - 01:01 PM

No. None submitted since October 2015 and as of now we saw no reason to have any more.


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Posted 31 March 2016 - 01:25 PM

Was hoping to see a Chicagoland Ti22.


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Posted 31 March 2016 - 02:58 PM

Good move by the board of directors.



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Posted 31 March 2016 - 06:08 PM

I'd like to see some more bodies from Chicagoland too, like a coupe or another F1, but between Parma and O/S the TI22 is pretty much covered. Plus I gather Mike is busy enough with running the raceway and parts sales as it is. His M7 F1 is still my favorite though.


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Posted 31 March 2016 - 06:10 PM

The IRRA® Board of Directors is announcing a moratorium on submissions of new Ti22 bodies for use in IRRA® racing. The current Approved Body List contains a proliferation of this model, more than enough choices to satisfy racers' needs.

 
Well... at least that should stop the submission of an even more ridiculous interpretation of the car. I consider that a step forward.
 
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Posted 31 March 2016 - 06:27 PM

I agree, maybe we can actually get rid of the Ti22 heresy. ;-)

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Posted 01 April 2016 - 06:21 AM

Good move.
 
I would like to see a Chicagoland Lotus 49 F1 body.
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Posted 01 April 2016 - 08:31 AM

Just to expand on what Cap Henry said. 

 

Maybe this moratorium could be revisited at some point in time if an increasing number of new bodies of all types (which is a rare occurrence to begin with anyway) if the body molds are made using 21st century 3-D printing technology. We could hit the reset button on all the bodies and take a fresh look. The 3D technology will allow a more accurate representation of the 1:1 car.

 

I think we all realize that for Retro we are not racing "scale" bodies and have to accept  the "silhouette" nature of the past and current mindset of the slot car body manufacturer, but some of the versions of this car are beyond the pale. Frankly, I think vast number of the "approved" versions of this body would have the late Peter Bryant, designer and builder of the Ti22, shaking his head in amazement.

 

Let's not cut off our nose to spite our face on this and keep in mind all considerations for some point in the future when the 3D technology becomes more accepted, less expensive, and more widespread. In the long run this will be very good for slot racing of all types.


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Posted 01 April 2016 - 09:20 AM

Last week I was told a story about ARCA czar, Marcum, getting very tired of Camaro bodies winning everything at his short tracks at Flat Rock, MI and Toledo, OH. He offered a bonus prize to anyone winning a Feature race in something other than a Camaro. It resulted in some of the top racers running other bodies, like a Buick Regal (Joy Fair, I think). I saw the pictures and couldn't believe it.

 

Perhaps a track owner (or more) could offer up some kind of extra prize incentive for a "non-Ti22 body" win at a Premier event?

 

No harm in suggesting...


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Posted 01 April 2016 - 09:35 AM

The last Premier Can-Am race won by a non-Ti22 car was Matt Bruce at RetroPalooza 5 with a Parma Lola T163 at Port Jefferson. Didn't make everyone go out and run them. 

 

In Coupe it's the same thing. The Parma Lola has been "the" body of choice and has won all the Premier races.

 

Formula 1 is the only one where we have seen different winners.

 

The point of this announcement is that there are plenty of Ti22s out there and there is not a need for any more.

 

Be thankful for the bodies we have and the manufacturers that make them readily available.


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Posted 01 April 2016 - 10:05 AM

Perhaps a track owner (or more) could offer up some kind of extra prize incentive for a "non- Ti-22 body" win of a Premier event?

 

I don't think most guys race Retro to see how much "booty" they can rake in.


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Posted 01 April 2016 - 10:07 AM

So the Ti22 coupe won't be approved?

Durn it!


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Posted 01 April 2016 - 10:16 AM

Not even if it's yellow, purple, and orange.

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Posted 01 April 2016 - 10:21 AM

I don't think most guys race Retro to see how much "booty" they can rake in.

 
You are absolutely correct, Mike. The prize would have to be something novel and different, something worth having, something worth racing for and in theme with "doing it my way", like an AWD Indy turbine slot car, a modern adjustable electronic controller that is thumb controlled, a very cool shirt or a special "non-conformist" trophy.

 

Let the host track owner decide - most of them are pretty creative with special awards.


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Posted 01 April 2016 - 11:04 AM

I'd like to see some more bodies from Chicagoland too, like a coupe or another F1, but between Parma and O/S the TI22 is pretty much covered. Plus I gather Mike is busy enough with running the raceway and parts sales as it is. His M7 F1 is still my favorite though.

 

The quality of Mike's pulls are outstanding, i would love to see more.


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Posted 01 April 2016 - 11:20 AM

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Posted 01 April 2016 - 11:25 AM

The last Premier Can-Am race won by a non-Ti22 car was Matt Bruce at RetroPalooza 5 with a Parma Lola T163 at Port Jefferson. Didn't make everyone go out and run them. 

 

In Coupe it's the same thing. The Parma Lola has been "the" body of choice and has won all the Premier races.

 

Formula 1 is the only one where we have seen different winners.

 

The point of this announcement is that there are plenty of Ti22s out there and there is not a need for any more.

 

Be thankful for the bodies we have and the manufacturers that make them readily available.

 

Everyone does try them, though. I experimented with the Lola Can-Am body at last week's RE race, it freed the car up slightly but at least on that day I did not see any distinct advantage.

 

IIRC, Matt also had his tires narrowed a bit. It comes down to how well the "package" works, and Matt is a master of that.


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Posted 01 April 2016 - 11:26 AM

We need a good P4 Ferrari.

 

Or Alfa T33.


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Posted 01 April 2016 - 11:41 AM

Thanks for the nice comments.

 

It's terrific to see positive ones in an IRRA®  thread.

 

I was expecting some "What I am going to do with the bodies I didn't buy yet" posts. LOL.


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Posted 01 April 2016 - 11:46 AM

I'd love to see some new bodies that work, I think new bodies, and products in general, help build interest just because you see variation again.


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Posted 01 April 2016 - 11:48 AM

"Some new bodies that work" is how we got the many, many Ti22s. LOL.


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Posted 01 April 2016 - 12:08 PM

I like the idea of a freeze on the Ti22 bodies. The only way another one makes sense is if it's just a little bit more... whatever. If you know what I mean. A slow but steady creep on aerodynamics is the last thing that's needed.  

 

Since it's probably impossible to make a variety of bodies that all race fairly equally (unless they are flying bricks like the stock cars) there will always be one body that dominates. Even in Jail Door cars... eventually everyone was running a Lotus 40.


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Posted 01 April 2016 - 12:24 PM

LOL understood Noose.


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