Counterfeit Pro Slot motor seals
#1
Posted 23 April 2016 - 01:29 PM
Those in tech might want to keep your eyes out for them.
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#2
Posted 23 April 2016 - 02:03 PM
Bill
The lack of any credible evidence is proof the conspiracy is working!
#3
Posted 23 April 2016 - 02:44 PM
Robert "Red" Valantine
#4
Posted 23 April 2016 - 03:18 PM
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#5
Posted 23 April 2016 - 03:51 PM
Dennis Dominey
Lifelong half-assed slot racer
#6
Posted 23 April 2016 - 04:10 PM
Innuendo kills our hobby.
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#7
Posted 23 April 2016 - 05:54 PM
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#8
Posted 23 April 2016 - 06:00 PM
On a similar, but slightly different subject, someone came in today with one of these.
It's a 4002FK (assuming by the heavy Neo cog and Chinese arm) with a Fast Ones seal.
Are there any slot racing orgs that allow these, or is it just a "fun" motor?
Mike Swiss
Inventor of the Low CG guide flag 4/20/18
IRRA® Components Committee Chairman
Five-time USRA National Champion (two G7, one G27, two G7 Senior)
Two-time G7 World Champion (1988, 1990), eight G7 main appearances
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#9
Posted 23 April 2016 - 07:19 PM
Jim,
The only motor builder with legitimate access to Pro Slot seals is Pro Slot.
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Robert Mueller, special counsel (2013)
"... because people have got to know whether or not their president is a crook."
Richard M .Nixon, Nov 17, 1973
"Fool me once, same on... shame on you. Fool me... you can't get fooled again."
George W. Bush
#10
Posted 23 April 2016 - 07:22 PM
Mike,
I noticed a bunch of these on the wall at a raceway in Ohio a while back. I thought it odd at the time, but I figured it must be legit if the raceway was selling them.
Dennis Dominey
Lifelong half-assed slot racer
#11
Posted 23 April 2016 - 07:38 PM
Does anyone know where I can get some of these? I need to, uh, know what they look like so I can correctly, uh, identify them. Or something like that. It's probably a good idea to always have a few of these in your kit.
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#12
Posted 23 April 2016 - 08:34 PM
Oh come on Jim. Don't ruin this perfectly good flame fest before it gets really hot.
"If you have integrity, nothing else matters, and if you do not have integrity, nothing else matters."
Robert Mueller, special counsel (2013)
"... because people have got to know whether or not their president is a crook."
Richard M .Nixon, Nov 17, 1973
"Fool me once, same on... shame on you. Fool me... you can't get fooled again."
George W. Bush
#13
Posted 23 April 2016 - 08:36 PM
Pappy,
You're confusing at least Sam and myself.
With the subject being Pro Slot seals, and how you are wording your posts, it sounds like you are claiming Fast Ones has legitmate Pro Slot seals.
Hence, why James commented.
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Mike Swiss
Inventor of the Low CG guide flag 4/20/18
IRRA® Components Committee Chairman
Five-time USRA National Champion (two G7, one G27, two G7 Senior)
Two-time G7 World Champion (1988, 1990), eight G7 main appearances
Eight-time G7 King track single lap world record holder
17B West Ogden Ave., Westmont, IL 60559, (708) 203-8003, mikeswiss86@hotmail.com (also my PayPal address)
Note: Send all USPS packages and mail to: 692 Citadel Drive, Westmont, Illinois 60559
#14
Posted 23 April 2016 - 08:59 PM
Thinking back, I believe this could be just an old seal on an old motor. Seems to me they came up with new seals for Retro racing because the old seals could be removed and put back on.
With the size of the pinion, the unground Hysol, it looks like a 4002FK (a two or three-year old motor)
The old seals did not stretch, AFAIR, and IIRC, they were a chrome silver.
Mike Swiss
Inventor of the Low CG guide flag 4/20/18
IRRA® Components Committee Chairman
Five-time USRA National Champion (two G7, one G27, two G7 Senior)
Two-time G7 World Champion (1988, 1990), eight G7 main appearances
Eight-time G7 King track single lap world record holder
17B West Ogden Ave., Westmont, IL 60559, (708) 203-8003, mikeswiss86@hotmail.com (also my PayPal address)
Note: Send all USPS packages and mail to: 692 Citadel Drive, Westmont, Illinois 60559
#15
Posted 23 April 2016 - 09:28 PM
Because it's a non-refurbable motor (by any rules I'm aware of).
Mike Swiss
Inventor of the Low CG guide flag 4/20/18
IRRA® Components Committee Chairman
Five-time USRA National Champion (two G7, one G27, two G7 Senior)
Two-time G7 World Champion (1988, 1990), eight G7 main appearances
Eight-time G7 King track single lap world record holder
17B West Ogden Ave., Westmont, IL 60559, (708) 203-8003, mikeswiss86@hotmail.com (also my PayPal address)
Note: Send all USPS packages and mail to: 692 Citadel Drive, Westmont, Illinois 60559
#16
Posted 23 April 2016 - 09:36 PM
Mike Swiss
Inventor of the Low CG guide flag 4/20/18
IRRA® Components Committee Chairman
Five-time USRA National Champion (two G7, one G27, two G7 Senior)
Two-time G7 World Champion (1988, 1990), eight G7 main appearances
Eight-time G7 King track single lap world record holder
17B West Ogden Ave., Westmont, IL 60559, (708) 203-8003, mikeswiss86@hotmail.com (also my PayPal address)
Note: Send all USPS packages and mail to: 692 Citadel Drive, Westmont, Illinois 60559
#19
Posted 23 April 2016 - 11:35 PM
So. This is a matter of determination. Just keep on slugging till those outliers are found.
#20
Posted 24 April 2016 - 01:32 AM
If one person or company can make them so can others.
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#21
Posted 24 April 2016 - 09:12 AM
Yes Mike, some racing organizations allow this. Two that come to mind is the Mid-America Hardbody org and the C.I.S.S. (Central Illinois Slot Series) BOTH in Illinois that allow PS-FK 4002 motors to be "refurbed" per their rules.
So while you may not be aware of some rules, you must not have got the "memo" on this being one of the two org's run events in your raceway.
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#22
Posted 24 April 2016 - 09:17 AM
It's my understanding that there at two racing orgs that allow refurbed FK motors. As Mason implied when starting this thread, no one had seals made to try and cheat the rules. These motors with these seals are not allowed run with that "other" retro org, only allowed in the two orgs that allow re-built FK motors. Of course unless you're allowed to race with refurbed FK motors at your local raceway, then you can, too.
Geeeezzzzz... will it ever end?
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#23
Posted 24 April 2016 - 09:48 AM
OK,
You guys in the know may be able to help me with this. I read that two orgs allow refurb of the PS 4002 FK. Surprising, but the rules are the rules. What I am not getting is how a new 4002FK is offered for sale in a PS package with a Fast Ones seal on it.
Can someone clear this up for me please?
Dennis Dominey
Lifelong half-assed slot racer
#24
Posted 24 April 2016 - 10:23 AM
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#25
Posted 24 April 2016 - 10:35 AM
Yes Mike, some racing organizations allow this. Two that come to mind is the Mid-America Hardbody org and the C.I.S.S. (Central Illinois Slot Series) BOTH in Illinois that allow PS-FK 4002 motors to be "refurbed" per their rules.
So while you may not be aware of some rules, you must not have got the "memo" on this being one of the two org's run events in your raceway.
You guys in the know may be able to help me with this. I read that two orgs allow refurb of the PS 4002 FK. Surprising, but the rules are the rules. What I am not getting is how a new 4002FK is offered for sale in a PS package with a Fast Ones seal on it.
Can someone clear this up for me please?
To quote Brian Meharry, head of the the Mid-American Hardbody Series, "Definitely not legal for series racing."
As far as motors allowed to be refurbed in the CISS, I'm not familiar with their rules, but the person whose car is pictured in post #8, with one, said he bought four motors direct from Fast Ones, ready to go, with the Fast Ones seals on them. The amount he recalled paying, was $115, for the four.
Mike Swiss
Inventor of the Low CG guide flag 4/20/18
IRRA® Components Committee Chairman
Five-time USRA National Champion (two G7, one G27, two G7 Senior)
Two-time G7 World Champion (1988, 1990), eight G7 main appearances
Eight-time G7 King track single lap world record holder
17B West Ogden Ave., Westmont, IL 60559, (708) 203-8003, mikeswiss86@hotmail.com (also my PayPal address)
Note: Send all USPS packages and mail to: 692 Citadel Drive, Westmont, Illinois 60559