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#1 MSwiss

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Posted 06 May 2016 - 08:31 AM

Samiam is trying to get info on this car he just won.

I wasn't racing in this era, but I'm guessing roughly 1976.

I'm sure Tony P will know.
 
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Posted 06 May 2016 - 08:58 AM

That's from after I quit. Tony should know though.


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Posted 06 May 2016 - 08:59 AM

What was the last year you raced?

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Posted 06 May 2016 - 09:02 AM

Definitely after 1973, which is when I last raced (they still had solid front axles and 1/4" wide front tires at that point).


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Posted 06 May 2016 - 09:04 AM

What was the last year you raced?

 

1971.


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Posted 06 May 2016 - 09:07 AM

"Pooch" is what the Camen guys use to call their motors, "Pooch Power." It may be a chassis run by a Camen team member, might want to get in touch with Joel Montague. He won a couple of National Chanpionships in the '70s and that looks like it could be a '70s car. 


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Posted 06 May 2016 - 09:24 AM

I came back to racing in 1973 to 1974 in the CT and NY city areas. At that point drop arm cars were no longer running (Iso and L fronts). Front tires were O-rings so I'd put this as no later than 1974.

 

Looks like nice construction on the chassis. Nice find, Sam.


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Posted 06 May 2016 - 09:50 AM

No question it's a Camen motor.

 

Sam didn't take a real clear pic, but the engraving on the drop arm says "SANO PROD."

 

The elephant ear heat sinks, and more so, the tiny front tires have me thinking it might be a tiny bit later than 1974.


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Posted 06 May 2016 - 10:05 AM

There''s plenty of pictures of Bob Crane's Bicentennial (1976-LOL) race winner out there.

 

It's definitely a more modern chassis, but has identical looking fronts, so '74-75 seems like a reasonable guess.


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Posted 06 May 2016 - 10:12 AM

Mid '70s I would guess.


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Posted 06 May 2016 - 02:52 PM

Camen motors of the early 70's were Champion C-cans, Mura endbells & hand formed round brass buss bars. Sam/s motor is a Mura can, Mura endbell, & Mura flat bussbars. I think this would date the motor as being mid-70s at the earliest. East coast motor builders such as Joel, Boyington, & LaBree generally used Champion C-cans for their motors until the supply ran out. An exception might have been motors custom built for a West coast racer.

 

Sam's chassis appears to have a motor mounting plate. East coast racers stopped using the plates months before the West coast  did. This leads me to the suspicion that this could be a West coast chassis, The way rearward droparm hinge location does to. Sam, can you tell us what part of the country you got this chassis & motor from?

 

Sam, is the motor's arm tagged Grp 20, 22, or something similar? Your pinion on it appear to be 10 or 11 tooth.


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Posted 06 May 2016 - 02:54 PM

Probably a Midwest or East coast version of a West coast chassis, lots of Lee Gilbert design hints that were in the media, but likely home-made by a racer, not production.

 

Hinged drop arm,wagon wheels front and rear,  Pooch Green can with short-o-matic heat sinks, Parma brass pans and droparm, what looks like a 1/8"  rear axle...I'd date it late 1971 pre-iso, pre-diamond front wheels.

If it had its body from the period the type and air control would date it precisely.

 

By early 1973 we were running 3/32 axles and shimmed Faas gears with 1/16" "L" front wheels  and PdL was selling RTR cars with his Diamond chassis 5/8" fronts and 13/16" rears.


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Posted 06 May 2016 - 03:31 PM

Those look like 1/2" fronts. (and with short bosses like Bob Crane's 76 Centennial car)

 

They ran those before 5/8"? LOL

 

Who marketed them?

 

That front end set-up looks pretty unique.

 

I wonder if on a long shot if it was added on to an older car.

 

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Posted 06 May 2016 - 03:34 PM

Probably the motor is younger than the chassis? My all Pooch setups are with Champion cans, ca '72 - '73.


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Posted 06 May 2016 - 05:20 PM

Thanks guys.

 

The car came from Watertown WI.  But that doesn't mean anything since I have seen cars from Buzz-A-Rama being sold out of California.

 

The rear axle is 3/32nd.The motor may be of a different vintage since it is mounted horribly. Probably by the same hammer hand mechanic who hacked the hole in the drop arm. It's last owner was not nearly the caliber of the builder. He had 1/8th in. spacers on the 1/32nd. axle.  

 

I'll remove the motor and open it up to check the arm. ,I'm also sending Mike some more pics.


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Posted 06 May 2016 - 05:38 PM

The body.

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Posted 06 May 2016 - 07:32 PM

I had a couple of those bodies once. I'm thinking it is an O/S Lola of some sort. but I won't put money on it.

 

Since this chassis came from WI, I'd show it to Paul Pfeiffer & ask him if he ever saw anything like it racing in the state.


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Posted 06 May 2016 - 09:45 PM

Body is a shadow. Maybe mac or champion


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