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#1 Mr. GoFast

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Posted 07 August 2016 - 07:49 PM

I really think it's time for the USRA to make some changes when you have 6 in Pro Box 12 and 3 in C12 and 7 in Pro C12. In my opinion the Nats is way too long 10 days (really). The Nats is loaded with a lot of classes that need to be dropped or redone.

Time for a leadership that has a clue about what's going on in the wing car world.


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Posted 07 August 2016 - 08:13 PM

Ya' think?...
 
As noted there should be a drastic reduction in classes.
 
OM-12
27 Light (OM?)
Pro-27
OMO
Pro-Open
 
And if something is deemed legal it is good for at least five years no matter what happens.


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Posted 07 August 2016 - 10:00 PM

I really think it's time for the USRA to make some changes when you have 6 in Pro Box 12 and 3 in C12 and 7 in Pro C12. In my opinion the Nats is way to long 10 days (really). The Nats is loaded with a lot of classes that need to be drop or redone.

Time for a leadership that has a clue about what's going on in the wing car world.

 

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Posted 07 August 2016 - 11:14 PM

Wing car racing is dying.

 

And the USRA is standing on its oxygen hose.

 

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Posted 08 August 2016 - 05:43 AM

I asked Tracy to post this here, after he posted it on Facebook.

It's worth a look at the absolute sh*tstorm at Facebook. Here's a LINK.

 

It would be funny if it wasn't so sad. Most of the guys posting on Facebook don't have a clue.

The Div 1 racers, almost without exception, just don't acknowledge how small their numbers are.


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Posted 08 August 2016 - 07:06 AM

The main problem is the rulebook (I am still waiting for mine to show up) makes the process to change so convouleted. It will take a major overhaul of the system to make any changes that don't take two years to implement. A strong leader needs to step up and "MAKE THE USRA GREAT AGAIN" ☺.


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Posted 08 August 2016 - 07:11 AM

Bill,

 

I think the main problem is the overall organizational structure, where one person can call the shots to suit his or her personal preferences. And having the inmates run the rules is a total disaster.

 

But again, there are probably less than 100 wing cars racers worldwide and that's a problem in itself.


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Posted 08 August 2016 - 08:16 AM

100?

I guess that would be if you counted only super-serious wing racers.

But as far as stuff like Group F, I've had 12-13 race those, in the last few months.

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Posted 08 August 2016 - 08:25 AM

And there's three of us out here in New Zealand :)

 

Just joking. There are more, but we don't have a King track.

 

We race G12 motors in Eurosport chassis on flat road tracks :)

 

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Posted 08 August 2016 - 08:45 AM

Too many cheap slow classes that are not supported by the raceways.
People that are involved with cheap classes don't travel.
 
Too many expensive slow classes that are also not supported at the raceway level.
People that are involved with high dollar stuff may travel, but there just aren't that many of them.
It could be a nice short weekend for them though if all the Womp Womp classes disappeared.
 
Besides, wing cars are all about speed; slow wing car classes have always been a silly contradiction... running slow cars at the Nats on a track that's designed for incredibly fast cars is like lowering the basket on the court or getting rid of the gutters and using a bigger bowling ball.


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Posted 08 August 2016 - 09:05 AM

100?

I guess that would be if you counted only super-serious wing racers.

But as far as stuff like Group F, I've had 12-13 race those, in the last few months.


What I meant was wing car racers who are paid-up USRA members, since this thread is about the USRA.


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Posted 08 August 2016 - 09:52 AM

In my humble opinion, along with others, there are too many classes. There should be a top class with unlimited speed and cost, this is for the SCMs and world record setters.
 
There should be an intro class for those who want to get a taste of the SCM experience.
 
And two classes in between, stepping up in speed and cost to the top class.
 
The two classes in between is where the  problem lies. Anyone running Am/Pro 12, Am/Pro I-15, Am/Pro C-12, Am/Pro 27/ 27L/ OMO, 2MO, all want to preserve their little piece of the pie. Something has got to give and somebody will feel all butt hurt over it.
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Posted 08 August 2016 - 10:12 AM

Start on Wed, end on Sunday sorry but run two classes a day until they're done. GRP 7 (open) last race on Sunday if you're racing till 2 AM oh well. Track needs to be open 24 hours or at least by 6 AM. First tech each day 8:30 close at 9 AM.

 

Time to get it rolling  but 10 days is a joke sorry and don't tell me come and going when you race. BULL the whole thing about the Nats is coming and playing and watching till the end. But most can't afford 12 days of slots with two days of travel added.

 

Just my 2 cents.

 

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Posted 08 August 2016 - 10:28 AM

To be brutally honest, I simply don't believe the USRA situation can be salvaged and here's why.

There's absolutely zero consensus at any level on what changes to make (damn near everyone with a stake and/or interest wants something different from everyone else). Even if the USRA adopted a BoD format, I question whether there would be sufficient co-operation among whatever members ended up on a USRA BoD to make it effective and able to agree on what directions to take to address the problems.

I also don't think there is anyone who is willing (read: crazy enough) to take on the thankless task of providing the leadership clearly required.

Would be happy to be wrong in these opinions but I don't believe I am.


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Posted 08 August 2016 - 10:57 AM

There is no incentive to change. There is no pressure from those in the industry that buy the product.
Raceways generally do not support the really expensive USRA wing car classes.
 
There is no longer any grassroots support for the style of wing cars that are being run nor for the tracks that they are made for.
It's no longer about racing, it's just about speed at any cost.
I can't sell stuff that costs a fortune, is unreliable, and if you get it set up right you don't have to drive it, just rebuild it every heat.


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Posted 08 August 2016 - 11:09 AM

The costs (motors, tires, chassis) for racing even the lower wing car classes are way too expensive for most people, including those who have an interest in slot car racing.

 

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Posted 08 August 2016 - 01:30 PM

Caught a real nice flounder yesterday, it was big and fat. But it was only 17 inches long. The rule on the Island is 18 inches or bigger (story of my life, coming up an inch short). Had to throw it back. Can't win them all.

 

So what's going on with all of you??


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Posted 08 August 2016 - 01:45 PM

Is that a weigh-in on the state of USRA racing, Doug?


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Posted 08 August 2016 - 02:08 PM

Doug-

 

So why aren't you at the Nats? I-15 runs today,

 

Cheers, Big Guy.


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Posted 08 August 2016 - 02:11 PM

I think he's "Gone Fishing" instead...


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Posted 08 August 2016 - 03:21 PM

The regulars not showing up does not help the situation though, regardless of frustration and boycott tendencies. It actually hurts the already fragile situation. The better move would have been to attend and THEN either come together as a group to preserve the investments you/they all have with the hobby and equipment. Decide at that time either whom is willing to step up or form a new group.

 

Just my .02


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Posted 08 August 2016 - 03:33 PM

Update:

 

4 racers in I-15 Am

 

6 racers in I-15 Pro

 

So no problem, right?  :D


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Posted 08 August 2016 - 03:38 PM

Gets to be less of a problem every year.  :laugh2:  


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Posted 08 August 2016 - 03:46 PM

Jim Huneycutt is right on the money with everything he has said.

 

I quit wing racing 20+ years ago. Back then you had four classes. Box15, I15, G27, G7.  No pros in the lower three classes. Period. Simple.

 

The USRA has created so many individual classes, with both Am and Pro classisfications, and with shrinking membership/racers in wing racing, it's no wonder they get such poor turnouts.

 

KISS... keep it simple stupid.


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Posted 08 August 2016 - 03:54 PM

Do we even know if the raceway has programs for the USRA classes, and if anyone shows up for them?


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