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#26 John Streisguth

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Posted 08 August 2016 - 03:56 PM

It's a shame. Back in '90-92, Zeppelin Hobbies was my home track and for the "500" races they held had 50-60 entries in many of the classes. But back then they had four wing classes: Box Stock 15, I-15, G-27 and G-27 (with pro and semi-pro drivers catagories).  

 

IMO, there's too many classes, and too many changes. Cut the number of classes and freeze the rules for five years, with the only changes entertained is if something becomes unavailable. And make the lower classes truly affordable and DIFFERENT...  I don't see the point of every class running nearly identical chassis but with a different motor. Lastly, you can run one class and the one above it, IIRC that's what the rule was back then.


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Posted 08 August 2016 - 03:57 PM

Jeff Morris, I was typing my post when you posted yours. Seems we think alike.


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Posted 08 August 2016 - 04:00 PM

Bent Rim - I thought in the L.I. Sound they were called flukes? What is a USRA?  :huh:


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Posted 08 August 2016 - 04:06 PM

A flat fish that is floundering....


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Posted 08 August 2016 - 04:50 PM

I lost a lot of my interest in USRA when I-15 went away from scratchbuilt frames and basic C-can magnets. Was a true builders class. Maybe one reason Retro is doing well, it is a builders class.

 

We also at least for regional races only allowed two consecutive classes to be run. We also ran Box 15, I15, 27 and open. we eventually changed it to three classes, but one couldn't be Box 15.

 

I guess I wonder as much as anything why is it remotely attractive for a track to host the Nats. Doesn't look like a revenue producer.

 

Speed is fun – but for my 2 cents – racing against two others and calling it "the Nats" rings hollow. But for those that spent the time and money to travel, you deserve to have the races run as scheduled.

 

Congrats to winners so far and those yet to come this week.


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Posted 08 August 2016 - 08:44 PM

I asked Tracy to post this here, after he posted it on Facebook.

It's worth a look at the absolute sh*tstorm at Facebook. Here's a LINK.

 

I've been trying to follow that thread, but with so many posts, and Facebook's goofy format, it makes it pretty tough.

 

But I shouldn't complain.

 

Without Facebook, guys wouldn't have a place to swear and call each other names, to help facilitate solutions.

 

Speaking of which, before the internet, how did all the issues in threads like that get resolved?

 

I guess, in all our unresolved misery, we just raced more.


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Posted 09 August 2016 - 05:57 AM

Before the Internet the idiots and troublemakers had no way to make fools of themselves and just had to show up and race under the current set of rules.


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Posted 09 August 2016 - 09:02 AM

Economics, look at the prices for any Cobalt class in WIngs.   Can buy 20 plus motors to race Retro for the cost of one Cobalt 12 motor. Anyone that has raced wings knows that you will never walk into a major race these days with only a couple motors in your box. The plain and simple fact is most racers these days are not going to spend 500 dollars on one car. Or over 3,000 dollars on a minimal race motor program for just one class. 

 

I will never go back to Wing racing at that level again.As much as I loved racing Group 27 back in the day. The expense has become just too much. Next time you are at any Retro race ask the guys that raced Wings why they don't any more. I am sure you will get the same response.  

 

(Side note: When I did race wings, the constant rule changes to motors would obsolete any motor program that I did have built up. 15a: the change to strap type motors in the early '90s. G27: the change to multi-mag set-ups. I just couldn't justify dumping money into that type of racing any more.)


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Posted 09 August 2016 - 09:57 AM

Just a quick post regarding the multitude of classes in the USRA:
 
They were started because there was a group of "racers" who demanded having an "amatuer" class because they "couldn't" compete with the fast guys. Of course, the USRA went completely overboard and made everything but G7 Pro/Am classes.
 
Where are those people now? The Nats are an OPEN event. Come and race against whoever shows up. The people who demanded the Pro/Am classes are no longer involved but the structure is still here. It's time to get back to basics, if it's possible... G7/G27. That's it. Simple.
 
The whole idea is the same as "Trophies for everyone! No one loses!"
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Posted 09 August 2016 - 11:32 AM

I have been saying for years there are a number of classes that performance wise overlap and could be eliminated, C12 and I15 come to mind. But the people who race those classes seem to not care if there are only four people in the race and a whole day is devoted to running Pro/Am divisions. 

They should run G7, OMO G27L, and some sort Box Stock class.


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Posted 09 August 2016 - 12:30 PM

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Posted 09 August 2016 - 12:32 PM

What do you mean, "Just for a moment"?

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Posted 09 August 2016 - 12:38 PM

I hate to keep piling on but:
 
Only 6 Geezers left their walkers behind to race today. :)
 
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Posted 09 August 2016 - 02:33 PM

I would imagine they were glad that a half/whole day was scheduled to cram all that racing in by the overflow Geezer class.
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Posted 09 August 2016 - 08:59 PM

Ya know... I consider Sonic Products to be a fairly "involved" manufacturer in this industry and I just discovered the Nats are happening NOW... Uhm... Is it my job to seek out when major races are being held? No race donation request. No real publicity. No online excitement.

 

And, PLEEEEEEAAAAAASEE, don't tell me about Facebook, OK? There's plenty of outlets for info.


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Posted 09 August 2016 - 09:46 PM

The USRA has never really been concerned about promotion and publicity... nor with commnication, for that matter. Business as usual...


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Posted 09 August 2016 - 10:06 PM

I disagree. At one time there was very good communication but that is ancient history. It seems when the internet became mainstream people got lazy.
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Posted 10 August 2016 - 02:50 AM

You might be right, Phil. I saw a note the other day that the first website went live on the web 25 years ago and do feel like the USRA hasn't made promotion and publicity (not exactly the same as communication) a priority in well over a decade, maybe longer.


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Posted 10 August 2016 - 03:40 AM

Great to see such magnanimous support for the USRA being displayed here.


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Posted 10 August 2016 - 05:00 AM

Kettle black.


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Posted 10 August 2016 - 05:34 AM

One thing that turned me off to wing car racing is the glue. I don’t like the idea of having to prep each lane during lane change time.
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Posted 10 August 2016 - 06:02 AM

You sure would hate the full glue days of the '70s when you glued everywhere. LOL.
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Posted 10 August 2016 - 06:58 AM

Great to see such magnanimous support for the USRA being displayed here.


Probably shouldn't have pushed this button, Ron. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt, and consider this critical post (as so often is the nature of your posts here, as numerous members constantly remind me) is due simply to your ignorance of the facts.

Won't speak for anyone else who has posted in this thread, but if your intention was to suggest I personally haven't supported the USRA, you don't know what you're talking about.

Let's see...

I spent four plus days in the race director's stand at the 1990 Nats helping to run that event, to the tune of 20-plus hours a day. Don't believe me? Check with Ray Gardner.

I expended over five hundred hours (over a hundred hours the first year) producing the PDF used to print the USRA rulebook for 10 of 11 years. Don't believe me? Check with Roy Hood, Chris Radisich, Milton Gamble, Greg Gilbert, and maybe a couple of others I can't recall.

I was asked to be on the USRA Ethics committee for at least one year (and maybe two) by one of your fellow New Zealanders only to have the deliberations of that body ultimately ignored because it was "unelected."

I've attended at least three Div 2 Nats as a racer and at one of them was the very last person to leave the facility (other the owners), having stayed to sweep the massive floor to clean up the incredible mess left by the slovenly racers. Don't believe me? Check with Ed or Mary Beard in SC.

When no one else was willing to do so, I personally tabulated the USRA online votes for two years. Don't believe me? Ask Paul Kassens.

Slotblog has worked to help promote the USRA over the years only to have a recent agenda-driven president decide to utilize other less-viewed venues to communicate less effectively with the membership.

I was a dues-paying USRA member, even when I didn't race at a Nats, for (I think) 18 years. How many years have you paid dues to be a member of the USRA, Ron?

Darn near every year a couple of usually unwilling people get shanghaied into standing for the position of USRA president and in almost every case the person elected either does nothing (one year when I was producing the rulebook, I received absolutely zero communications from the sitting pres the entire year, in spite of numerous emails to him) or pursues their personal agenda regardless of the feelings of the overall membership.

What have you personally done to support the USRA, Ron?

So put a cork in it, Ron, especially when you largely don't have a clue what you're talking about, OK? People in glass houses, you know...
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Posted 10 August 2016 - 07:23 AM


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Posted 10 August 2016 - 08:59 AM

One thing that turned me off to wing car racing is the glue. I don’t like the idea of having to prep each lane during lane change time.


I remember a Keystone State USRA race, where I came out of the bathroom (down the hall... LOL) and when I came back to the room where the track was, there was a "fog" of petroleum products hanging over the entire room. And I was wondering why my glasses would get coated while standing at the driver's panel!  

That's a big part of why I switched to racing HO cars.
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