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#51 Phil Hackett

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Posted 10 August 2016 - 10:33 AM

You sure would hate the full glue days of the '70s when you glued everywhere. LOL.

 
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Posted 10 August 2016 - 11:19 AM

Ya know... I consider Sonic Products to be a fairly "involved" manufacturer in this industry and I just discovered the Nats are happening NOW... Uhm... Is it my job to seek out when major races are being held? No race donation request. No real publicity. No online excitement.
 
And, PLEEEEEEAAAAAASEE, don't tell me about Facebook, OK? There's plenty of outlets for info.

  
IMO, there are too many outlets. Way too many. Not only has quite a bit of wing talk switched over from OWH to Facebook, it's spread out over too many different pages. Raceway pages, personal pages, org pages.

As I mentioned earlier, how did wing racing manage to get the word out before the 'net?

At the races.

Just about every region had a series, and was racing at least monthly.
 

I remember a Keystone State USRA race, where I came out of the bathroom (down the hall... LOL) and when I came back to the room where the track was, there was a "fog" of petroleum products hanging over the entire room. And I was wondering why my glasses would get coated while standing at the driver's panel!  That's a big part of why I switched to racing HO cars.


As involved as I was in wing racing, I must have bad eyes.

I never recall seeing the haze of glue that guys talk about pretty regularly. LOL.
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Posted 10 August 2016 - 11:38 AM

I never recall seeing the haze of glue that guys talk about pretty regularly. Lol

 

I didn't notice it either until I was crouched marshalling in the deadman (back in 1984) and looked up briefly toward the front window of the raceway. I was shocked to note that my glasses were covered with glue spots and every car that whipped 'round the donut was throwing up a roostertail of glue.

 

But it was the skin rash I get from glue that really annoyed me.


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Posted 10 August 2016 - 11:46 AM

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Posted 10 August 2016 - 12:01 PM

More glue!
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Posted 10 August 2016 - 12:09 PM

I never recall seeing the haze of glue that guys talk about pretty regularly. LOL.

 
Probably depends a lot on the ventilation in the raceway. Must have been lovely trying to service an HVAC where a lot of wing car racing took place.  :shok: 

Although the glue residue probably captured any pollen in the air, so it may have been better for allergy sufferers LOL.


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Posted 10 August 2016 - 12:12 PM

Glue is inherently unfair... fixing the track so your car works better usually screws up someone else's game plan.
The end result has been something that only appeals to a small group that likes the whole idea of a sticky mess just to go fast.
 
The real decline in participation occurred with the realization that the application of the right amount of glue on a track with the proper car allowed unbelievable speeds with no driving skills being necessary... just the ability to kind of keep track of where the car is and the money necessary to maintain the speed between heats.
 
The Bugatti Veyron is a great comparison, equipment-wise, but even there the drivers don't expect the freeway builders to upgrade the roads to Bugatti specs.


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Posted 10 August 2016 - 12:20 PM

Retro is not cheap; a car can cost $200 easy.


Not sure what your point is here, Nick.

You can't even build an open motor for $200.
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Posted 10 August 2016 - 12:21 PM

Many classes have gone to a spray glue format and have been successful in spite of or because of. Glue leads to hot motors and excess crashing due to popping on restarts.


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Posted 10 August 2016 - 12:22 PM

G7 is still full glue as far as I know. Am I wrong?

Probably depends a lot on the ventilation in the raceway. Must have been lovely trying to service an HVAC where a lot of wing car racing took place.


Then the next Div 1 Nats at Frank Sarkela's place ought to be interesting, as the facilty doesn't have air conditioning to the best of my knowledge.

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Posted 10 August 2016 - 12:25 PM

I asked Tracy to post this here, after he posted it on Facebook.
It's worth a look at the absolute sh*tstorm at Facebook. Here's a LINK.


My assertion that Facebook isn't very good as a substitute for blog sites like this and OWH for posting slot car results, and having (long) discussions, has been confirmed yet again.

I was just texting with a local wing racer, who has rabidly following this USRA discussion on Facebook, and he TOTALLY missed probably the most important piece of information in Tracy's thread.

IMO, without a quote function, like available here, too many subthreads develop in the main thread, and it's hard to spot everything.

I'm obviously a Slotblog cheerleader, but a fact is a fact.
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Posted 10 August 2016 - 12:32 PM

Totally agree. The way replies to individual posts are hidden behind a "view more replies" click makes it almost impossible to fully follow the flow of the discussion.

Then there's the issues of persistence and of returning to the thread a week or two down the road.

My view is that attraction of Facebook is solely connected to how easy it is to post there from a smartphone.

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Posted 10 August 2016 - 12:36 PM

Many classes have gone to a spray glue format and have been successful in spite of or because of. Glue leads to hot motors and excess crashing due to popping on restarts.

 
Also full glue class races take a long time to run as the racers keep asking for the cars to be pulled back at each stoppage since they can't start in glue.
 
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Posted 10 August 2016 - 04:02 PM

Totally agree. The way replies to individual posts are hidden behind a "view more replies" click makes it almost impossible to fully follow the flow of the discussion.

Then there's the issues of persistence and of returning to the thread a week or two down the road.

My view is that attraction of Facebook is solely connected to how easy it is to post there from a smartphone.

 

I have an older iPhone, and I can't access the sub-replies (for lack of a better term...). So until I get to computer, I don't know half of the conversation.


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Posted 10 August 2016 - 04:13 PM

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Posted 10 August 2016 - 04:22 PM

Just my wicked repartee... LOL...

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Posted 10 August 2016 - 10:05 PM

As involved as I was in wing racing, I must have bad eyes.

I never recall seeing the haze of glue that guys talk about pretty regularly. LOL.


Sorry I'm late chiming in on this, but I remember the "glue haze" very well. That, and copious amounts of cigarette smoke, made "a day at the races" a major PITA for anyone who wore glasses. I finally resorted to lighter fluid to keep mine clean.

Ah, the good ol' days. :D

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Posted 11 August 2016 - 05:34 AM

I used to work Sundays at Nutley Raceway and the day after the big races I had to clean the glue off the showcases and the front windows.


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Posted 11 August 2016 - 10:17 AM

Glue was fine at the time. I'd like to think we could evolve and do better and get rid of it entirely.

 

However, the inertia of the past keeps the big ball rolling in whatever direction it's headed. When it hits a wall, the direction will be changed.


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Posted 11 August 2016 - 11:28 AM

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Posted 11 August 2016 - 11:48 AM

It is apparent that the current USRA wing racers have hit the mother of all glue bogs.


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Posted 11 August 2016 - 11:54 AM

All slot car racing is on a downward spiral, unfortunately for wings its descent is being accelerated by a completely dysfunctional organization. The structure, bylaws, and regulations ensure that dysfunction. They also ensure that no meaningful change can ever be implemented. A new organization is needed and the current Nats experience is certainly proof enough.


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Posted 11 August 2016 - 12:01 PM

All slotcar racing is on a downward spiral,

 

I disagree with this because in our area Retro racing has grown significantly. We are seeing new, young racers as well as those from the scale and wing side of racing. We get 25-30 plus per class at each race. Raceways make money. Racers have fun. The competition is awesome.

 

Cannot comment on the rest of your statement as I am not involved.


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Posted 11 August 2016 - 12:25 PM

Sorry, Noose, but the demographics are against you, but I agree that Retro will probably be the last man standing at least as far as commercial tracks are concerned. But even tether car racing has survived in some form, so slots may not disappear altogether.

 

But we can agree to disagree on that; my real point was in relation to wings.



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Posted 11 August 2016 - 12:58 PM

Paul,
 
Glad to see you posting here in this thread. You're one of the few wing racers who seemingly doesn't have blinders on.
 
Unfortunately, I agree with you that even with all the positives that Retro has generated, it won't be able by itself to sustain the commercial raceway industry, such as it is. The state of wing car racing is the very least of its problems.
 
Funny that you would reference tether car racing. As best I can tell, there are exactly three permanent tether car tracks in all of the US. Oddly enough, one is located in Anderson, IN.
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