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#101 Paul Kovich

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Posted 16 August 2016 - 09:21 AM

This Nats wasn't the final answer on the overall state of wing car racing in the US. It does reflect dissatisfaction with a number of issues, leadership, structure, date changes, a desire not to race on a more driver-oriented track (in fairness to the racers it's important to remember that most have a lot of money invested in programs suited to Gerding speedways and weren't that interested in building programs for a track that in the scheme of things would be a one-off effort for their programs).
 
But it's important to contrast it with the Worlds held at Port Jeff in May, that was more reflective of the current state of wing car racing. While things could be much better, they aren't nearly as bad as this Nats seemed to indicate.






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Posted 16 August 2016 - 09:27 AM

I expect those that did not turn up because they were concerned about the track would have been pleasantly surprised should have they turned up.  


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Posted 16 August 2016 - 10:10 AM

If some racers "were concerned about the track" at SpeedZone, then seemingly there are additional parameters in play over and above having "programs suited to Gerding speedways" since the King at that raceway is indeed a Gerding King (G3). Or are there some unspecified differences between a "Gerding King" and a "Gerding speedway" King?

 

Paul, your post #101 regarding the "current state of wing car racing" is moving the discussion to a broader arena, that of wing car racing in the US. The topic I'm reading regards broad-based "dissatisfaction with a number of issues, leadership, structure, date changes,..." within USRA Div 1.

 

And nothing I've seen so far seems to indicate that those issues and problems are likely to be addressed going forward. Seems like the "same ole, same ole": elect a new, different National Director who almost certainly (based on long historical precedence) will pursue a largely personal agenda with what is essentially little power to effect changes in the organization's structure or to address the other systemic issues you referenced.

 

If you feel the effectivness of the USRA will improve going forward, please inform us why you believe so.


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Posted 16 August 2016 - 10:12 AM

"... a desire not to race on a more driver-oriented track (in fairness to the racers it's important to remember that most have a lot of money invested in programs suited to Gerding speedways and weren't that interested in building programs for a track that in the scheme of things would be a one-off effort for their programs)."

 

That's an interesting statement. So wing cars have now gotten so specialized you can't race the same car on anything but a total punchbowl? Seems that really limits the number of raceways that could realistically host a Nats.  


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Posted 16 August 2016 - 11:30 AM

John,

That is a fact. The "punchbowl" tracks require much shorter cars to be competitive, not to mention bodies. I am not sure if this was a big deal this year but next year at Frank's it for sure will be a big deal. Much longer cars will be required on Frank's King as well as much different bodies. Might be able to get away with current Box Stock cars but the other classes no way.

 

So the question becomes do I buy all new stuff for one race? Some will, many will not. Those that have been around for a long time may have longer cars in their inventory.

 

Time will tell.. :sun_bespectacled:


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Posted 16 August 2016 - 11:41 AM

Wing car racing is a slightly different dynamic then it was 20 years ago. Biggest thing is that there isn't many wing car series.

Back in the day, there was World Record insanity, but we also did not mind running on non-Kings, let alone "slower" Kings.

Not only did we look forward to running on Hillclimbs and Grandstands, we even ran on firewood.

I remember at least two tracks where some guys came off, in a certain turn, every lap, for 5 minutes straight. LOL.

PS: Not to say there weren't some King track elitests.

At the '90 Nat's, on the Purple Mile, probably about 10-15 Pro's skipped the race. But IIRC, it wasn't any of the real topflight guys.
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Posted 16 August 2016 - 11:46 AM

When I ran them we raced on anything we were fortunate enough to have to race on.


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Posted 16 August 2016 - 11:50 AM

I remember a local, no longer involved, USRA hot-shot claiming Engleman tracks were too hard to drive.
 
Sometimes I dream of the current group trying to run on Rosecran's track, or Elmsford's track for the east coast guys... It would be interesting in the Chinese meaning of the word...
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Posted 16 August 2016 - 12:13 PM

I remember a local, no longer involved, USRA hot-shot claiming Engleman tracks were too hard to drive.

 

We only ever had one Engleman in this area, a 185' (Dadd's?). IIRC, it was punched in five lanes and one blip in the other three.

I did my part to bring down wing racing on that track, by showing the viability of using aluminum chassis on faster cars.

I won G27, running a slightly-modded I15 chassis.


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Posted 16 August 2016 - 01:29 PM

Greg,

 

Yes, there are differences in Gerdings. The early ones were more developments of Oglilvies, but as Gary became more proficient and figured out how to build really fast tracks the later ones were definitely faster. SpeedZone is G3, Port Jeff is G5, and between those two tracks a massive step forward was made by Gary.

 

Although in looking at the photographs, G3 probably turned to be faster than many expected, including the locals who early on had warned that while fast it required a different approach.

 

The simple fact is that tracks that have robust wing programs have over time gone to Gerdings, they are faster and more consistent from track to track, which is important when you travel.



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Posted 16 August 2016 - 02:10 PM

Thanks for the reply, Paul.

 

Just one simple question from me, and you will probably perceive the underlying sentiment: how many US raceways do you believe have "robust wing programs"?

 

In your estimation, of course.


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Posted 16 August 2016 - 02:57 PM

If the majority of wing racers are concerned about investing in additional equipment because of "big" differences in King tracks, perhaps the USRA could entertain the idea of having their own track to host the Nats on. Bring the track to the location for each Nats.

Obviously it's a huge expense for transporting the track, let alone purchasing the track and setting it up. You wouldn't even have to set it up at a raceway, it could be at a hotel.

The last wing car Nats I attended was in 1996 in Manchester, NH hosted by Victory Lane Raceway. They moved their King track in addition to having Olgilve bringing a second king to a hotel in Manchester.

How could this be funded by the USRA? No idea but it's just a thought.


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Posted 16 August 2016 - 03:18 PM

Dominic,

 

What you are describing is largely how 1/24 wing racing happens in Europe.

 

Yes, there are a few King tracks in Europe in club environments, but they are few in number.


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Posted 16 August 2016 - 03:49 PM

If the majority of wing racers are concerned about investing in additional equipment because of "big" differences in King tracks, perhaps the USRA could entertain the idea of having their own track to host the Nats on. Bring the track to the location for each Nats.
 
Obviously it's a huge expense for transporting the track, let alone purchasing the track and setting it up. You wouldn't even have to set it up at a raceway, it could be at a hotel.
The last wing car Nats I attended was in 1996 in Manchester, NH hosted by Victory Lane Raceway. They moved their King track in addition to having Olgilve bringing a second king to a hotel in Manchester.
 
How could this be funded by the USRA? No idea but it's just a thought.

 
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Because we are friends, I feel comfortable enough to give you the same standard reply, I give my wife, when she has a far-fetched idea;
 
"Yeah, and we'll put in a pony ride in the backyard, too, for when the grandkids come over". LOL.

FWIW, I was told Victory Lane lost money on the Nats because she didn't meet the guaranteed number of rooms, to get the room for free, and had to pay for the difference.


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Posted 16 August 2016 - 03:57 PM

Ouch, didn't know about that Mike.
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Posted 16 August 2016 - 04:05 PM

That I'm not up for a permanent pony ride in my yard?

But seriously, IIRC, Stu was told by her on the Monday after, when he was getting back the consignment merchandise from her.

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Posted 16 August 2016 - 04:10 PM

Port Jeff, Skidmarks, The Track, Tracy Brown's track, PAs, BS raceway, Frank Sarkela's track (although he has an Ogilvie), Koford Raceway, SpeedZonePTC, Tri-State,Yankee series (Modelville Gerding and Rapid), and Roger's Bloomington track have regular wing racing. I'm probably missing a couple, but that's a pretty good guess.

 

I guess robust may be an overstatement but these tracks have regular series racing for wing cars and many have well-attended annual big events.

 

Your question was a little snarky but I will forgive you, LOL.

 

The thing about wings is that the participants at this stage are pretty hardcore. We get new racers, we lose some racers but a core group keeps showing up for their ritual abuse.

 

Earlier comments referred to the "Pros" showing up in classes they're shouldn't be in. That's not really true, if you race wing cars at a Nats or Worlds or a big regional race in anything other thing G12 you are pretty expert. Some guys get deals but everyone figures out how to maximize his racing budget. There are only a few true Pros: Beuf, Gugu, Jose Mario, Stu, everyone else is just degrees of expert.



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Posted 16 August 2016 - 04:22 PM

That I'm not up for a permanent pony ride in my yard?

But seriously, IIRC, Stu was told by her on the Monday after, when he was getting back the consignment merchandise from her.


Pony rides this year at the Sano?


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Posted 16 August 2016 - 05:49 PM

Thanks again, Paul. I appreciate the reply as always.

 

You listed 13 raceways and I must point out that several of them are non-public, club-style tracks, for what's it worth.


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Posted 16 August 2016 - 06:17 PM

Well, as a participant, I can try to answer a few questions.

 

Paul K, you left out The Track in Gaithersburg. The wing program there runs once a month and it's hanging in there.  here is also the G11 at Tri-state and Koford's track in Winchester, OH.

 

I found my existing chassis would work and I ran all my short chassis. I ran a 4.490" in G12, a 4.450" in I15, and a 4.100" chassis in C12. If I had stayed for 27L I would have ran a 4.100" chassis in that also. The bodies I ran were 4 mm longer and 2 mm higher except for the C12 body that was just 4mm longer. In C12 and I15 I ran .650" WX+ tire in green - yellow and 615 WX spec tires in the gutters. Lap times were about .04/lap off from what we've been racing at in Gaithersburg and a tenth slower than Port Jeff.

 

I did hear a rumor that the wiring burned up in the Open race. I was not there and I heard third hand.

 

The Barn Burner in Port Jeff has a bigger turn-out than the Nats and usually has a foriegn contingent. The races at Tracy's track have been well attended also.  Skidmarks MidWest Nats usually has full fields, too.

 

It is true to a point that most current wing programs are geared to the latest Gerding Kings. There is significant investment in doing that, but in reality chassis are not that expensive. The Nats at Frank's will probably take older chassis designs and different body set-ups.

 

Some classes are regional.  I15 is big in Michigan and at Port Jeff. C12 is big in Texas. 27L is big everywhere and it's actually cheaper to field a 27L at a National level than G12.

 

I ran C12 with six motors in the box and I never changed motors. I think my car would have been competitive in the Pro race. I only have seven I15 set-ups and that program does OK, too. I am glad to be out of Am G12 and I like that we can put bearings in the endbell in Pro now.

 

The biggest problem I think we face at the Nationals is the cost of travel and hotel to go to the Nats. It's tough in this economy to come up with the money to travel. Rumors of a track not racing well probably had a lot to do with it, too. The track was the same for everyone; learn to tune to it.

 

I like the engineering of wing racing. I assemble my own chassis, I build my own bodies, I build C-can motors, I maintain my other motors as much as I can. I know the feel I am looking for with my car on the track and the challenge of racing other cars on the track at crazy speeds.

 

BTW, there was no lane at Peachtree that was wide open; all lanes had to be driven to some extent. At one point I was driving the deadman, the 90, and the lead-on in C12 in Orange.


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Posted 16 August 2016 - 06:21 PM

Mike,

 

Paul did list The Track in Gaithersburg:

 

"Port Jeff, Skidmarks, The Track, Tracy Brown's track, PA's... "


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Posted 16 August 2016 - 06:56 PM

Just one simple question from me, and you will probably perceive the underlying sentiment: how many US raceways do you believe have "robust wing programs"?

 

Port Jeff, Skidmarks, The Track, Tracy Brown's track, PAs, BS raceway, Frank Sarkela's track (although he has an Ogilvie), Koford Raceway, SpeedZonePTC, Tri-State,Yankee series (Modelville Gerding and Rapid), and Roger's Bloomington track have regular wing racing. I'm probably missing a couple, but that's a pretty good guess.
 
I guess robust may be an overstatement but these tracks have regular series racing for wing cars and many have well-attended annual big events.
 
Your question was a little snarky but I will forgive you, LOL.
 
The thing about wings is that the participants at this stage are pretty hardcore. We get new racers, we lose some racers but a core group keeps showing up for their ritual abuse.
 
Earlier comments referred to the "Pros" showing up in classes they're shouldn't be in. That's not really true, if you race wing cars at a Nats or Worlds or a big regional race in anything other thing G12 you are pretty expert. Some guys get deals but everyone figures out how to maximize his racing budget. There are only a few true Pros: Beuf, Gugu, Jose Mario, Stu, everyone else is just degrees of expert.

 

Paul K,

 

First of all, I want to make it clear I hope Wing racing continues and the USRA pulls itself out of its funk.
 
But I guess I missed your "I guess robust may be an overstatement" comment the first time I spotted your post while finishing up packing up my mail order (two packages to raceways, two packages to manufacturers).
 
Yes, i would say two-six races a year doesn't qualify as robust. I would have a hard time classifying my weekly Group F, with eight racers in each of the last two weeks, with 10 different guys, as robust. Of course, I'm a bit jaded.
 
As I post ad nauseum, I raced in 41 G7 races in 1988.
 
And I just hosted a Saturday night Hardbody race, with 26 guys racing slow, six-second a lap cars. We ran six Mains from 6 PM to 10:40 PM.
 
26 racers on a warm Summer night? Why? Because there is terrific promotion from Brian Meharry. Reminders of the races, pictures of the cars, timely results, more reminders of the races.
 
Listing private clubs as raceways, IMO, isn't correct.
 
Raceways typically promote slot racing.
 
One club in particular... about the only "promotion" they do is post on OWH to unload their excess (and not quite the latest and greatest) merchandise, at deep discounts to the public. Guys rich enough to own and house their own Gerding King, but they won't eat their excess stock.


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Posted 16 August 2016 - 07:10 PM

If the USRA is so bad at listening to the racers – why not step up and create a new organization? Create a "Board of Directors" or what you think will work and save wing racing!! Retro seems to work well with a BoD so that there is not one ego making all the rules and controls.

 

Perhaps a more member-driven organization is needed?


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Posted 16 August 2016 - 07:25 PM

Mike,

 

Clearly wing racing is the smallest segment of commercial track racing. It's the sharp end of the stick, but it's also the canary in the coal mine. If you have been racing slot cars for a while you remember when things were good. I haven't done it as long as you have but I was at the Victory Lane Nats in the Hotel. My first was Lugnut in 95.

 

All slot car racing is going the way of the dinosaur. As wing car racing in Europe demonstrates there is more then one way to skin a cat. Skidmarks and BS Raceway probably are the furture. The question for Retro is will you have the same options in the future because the commercial raceway is not a viable option in the long run.

 

As far as the USRA is concerned it will either be restructured or replaced. It's already being bypassed. The Nats for now is no longer the "big race" and without the Nats the USRA has no meaning. 


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Posted 16 August 2016 - 07:42 PM

Mike Walpole,

 

I would never forget The Track. in many ways I think of it as my second home track. Roman, JD, Jimbo, and Brian are some of my favorite slot car buds. I don't see them as often as I used to but it's always special when I do.



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Posted 16 August 2016 - 07:45 PM

You know our schedule, you are always welcome at The Track Paul.

 

Likely, the Halloween race in TN will be bigger than the Nats.  I might go as I can race 3 classes there and have a blast.


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Posted 16 August 2016 - 07:49 PM

 All slot car racing is going the way of the dinosaur. 

I disagree.

 

I'm amazed at the amount  of people coming in, even now in the summer,  with their old stuff, buying new tires to have some casual fun, and older guys, looking for something to do, while their wives do girl stuff.

 

I've sold 3-4 RTR cars in the last 3-4 days.


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Posted 16 August 2016 - 07:50 PM

Slo tcar racing has been going the way of the dinosaur for 40 years.  Up and down, but I think you will find the most popular classes over the years, and certainly now, are the slower classes. 

 

The same thing seems to be happening in HO racing, which I was heavily involved with in the '90s.  he slower, non-downforce cars are extremely popular


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Posted 16 August 2016 - 07:50 PM

I keep after Roman to hold a big race sometime, I think i could manage getting down there for a weekend race, either a Winter Shootout or a Summer Shootout.

 

I don't travel much anymore but I would do it for a big race race at The Track. Not sure I can muster much motivation for a series race though. Between NEUSRA and Yankee I have two races a month to choose from.



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Posted 16 August 2016 - 07:53 PM

Keep smoking that doobie, Mike, I hope it lasts long enough for you to retire but I would have a plan B if I were you.



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Posted 16 August 2016 - 08:06 PM

Hey Mike, the pony rides sound great LOL.

I never knew that Terry didn't meet the minimum room requirements. I thought overall it was a solider turn-out.


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Posted 16 August 2016 - 08:17 PM

Hey Mike, the pony rides sound great LOL.

I never knew that Terry didn't meet the minimum room requirements. I thought overall it was a solider turn-out.

 

That's what she told Stu.

 

Compared to Lugnut and Chicago, the two years previous, Manchester was a fairly weak turn-out.

 

Guys complained airfare was on the high side.

 

Keep smoking that doobie Mike, I hope it lasts long enough for you to retire but I would have a plan B if I were you.

 

Wow, Paul.

 

I didn't realize you were so attuned to the Chicago slot car scene, both casual and serious,  and the demographics of neighboring Downers Grove, Clarendon Hills, Hinsdale, and Oak Brook, and the amount of traffic that passes, and gets stopped 60 ft. from my front door every day.


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Posted 16 August 2016 - 08:48 PM

Between NEUSRA and Yankee I have two races a month to choose from.


Paul, I beg you not to take this comment personally, as that is not my intent.

But the quote above is indicative of most slot racers' mindset:

"What do I care about the overall future of the model car racing hobby so long as I have a regular opportunity and place to race?"

Such a noticeable lack of altruistic feelings is not what is observed in the majority of other leisure-time activities, as best I can tell. And the sentiment you expressed probably presages the future of the slot car racing hobby in general.

As many have said, enjoy it while you can.

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Posted 16 August 2016 - 09:30 PM

I don't travel much anymore but I would do it for a big race race at The Track. Not sure I can muster much motivation for a series race though. Between NEUSRA and Yankee I have two races a month to choose from.

 

"What do I care about the overall future of the model car racing hobby so long as I have a regular opportunity and place to race?"

Such a noticeable lack of altruistic feelings is not what is observed in the majority of other leisure-time activities, as best I can tell. And the sentiment you expressed probably presages the future of the slot car racing hobby in general.

 
Paul's mention of the NEUSRA & Yankee series are both local. For him to visit The Track for a similar "series" race would be require about three times the travel time of either of those series.
 
I know Paul is trying to get a wing car racing program off the ground at a local track as the owner and Paul have mentioned it, and Paul has personally tried to recruit me to race.
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Posted 16 August 2016 - 10:41 PM

I was going to draft a response but decided on a FU instead.

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Posted 16 August 2016 - 11:52 PM

Paul,

Go back and read your post #130.

You feel you can make a rude comment about the viability of (me) keeping a commercial raceway in business.

But when Greg gives you a dose of your own medicine,conveying a similar sentiment, and in a much more civil manner, you go off with your FU comment.

Please don't confuse posting on Slotblog with Facebook "barstool style" posting.
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Posted 17 August 2016 - 02:57 AM

Bob,

The problem isn't local promotion, as Paul is doing, it's national. Almost no one seems to understand that a national level of promotion of the slot car hobby is needed. That was my point.

Racers invariably believe everything will be OK so long as they have some place to race and that's simply not true.

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Posted 17 August 2016 - 05:06 AM

I think many people just race in their own little fiefdoms and as long as that is going OK, then who cares All it takes is to look at the age of most racers and see the hobby/sport declining.  I'll do wing cars as long as I can, but, eventually, when my eyesight and reflexes are shot, I'm done. That is unless I have no place to race first.
 
What's bad is when people want a place to race, but then they won't show up. Then they'll complain when there is no place to race.

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Posted 17 August 2016 - 06:02 AM

OK, here's a serious question: how many people in wing car racing actually build their own motors? And paint and "wing" their own bodies? Obviously they dont build their own chassis, although I guess maybe some solder the few pieces on the main part.

 

If you look at what's popular, a certain amount of building is involved.  Yes, I know not EVERYONE may build their own stuff in these classes, but the majority do. Maybe that means something?  


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Posted 17 August 2016 - 09:08 AM

Other sports have a professional element - that is promoted nationally.  The rest of the nation follows the pros.  This is what gets promoted.  Pros can lose a sponsorship for bad behavior.  Without a national 'league' of some kind, how does a sport lead?

 

What is a USRA?


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Posted 17 August 2016 - 11:18 AM

Actually, chassis come in kits or assembled.  I prefer kits and I solder them together myself.  No, it's not as intensive as building a retro cahssis, but the same rules still apply as in it needs to be straight and have the right ride heights.



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Posted 17 August 2016 - 01:21 PM

Many now by retro chassis pre-built. I hope things pick up next year for Frank's sake.

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Posted 17 August 2016 - 02:48 PM

I hope things pick up next year for Frank's sake.

 

 

 Considering that Rohnerts King is even more of a "drivers track" than Speedzone PTC it could be even worse, if that's possible.

 

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Posted 17 August 2016 - 03:46 PM

Oh I hope not, Frank was really excited to get the race. But yes if a King can be called a driver's track the one at SCR definitely is that.


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Posted 17 August 2016 - 04:11 PM

I haven't decided if I am going to Frank's or not.  It will be a monetary decision and not based on the track.  I can build bodies at the track if needed.



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Posted 17 August 2016 - 04:33 PM

 Considering that Rohnerts King is even more of a "drivers track" than Speedzone PTC it could be even worse, if that's possible.

 

Cheers

 

 

That in itself is a sad commentary.


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Posted 17 August 2016 - 05:26 PM

I hope Frank has a great turnout  and super Event also.  Slotcar Raceways is a great raceway and Frank is great host.

 

This same topic was hot on FB for a short while too. I did notice after I had made a few comments that every suggestion, change or move met opposition from someone or some group. They must be happy with what they have now and really didn't embrace "outsiders" opinions. I stopped posting or suggesting anything. I no longer am involved in their kind of racing was point blankingly, more or less, to butt out and leave it up the current players......


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Posted 17 August 2016 - 05:38 PM

Slot Car Raceway is a terrific place and Frank will have it in tiptop condition. Rohnert Park is located in Sonoma County and there many places to see nearby. Anyone going should spend an extra day or two.
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Posted 17 August 2016 - 05:39 PM

The below comments were posted by P.A. here http://slotcars.net/....php?f=14&t=244

I know he doesn't post here, but since He was been to the Nats for 41 years in a row, I thought you might want to read it. If you want to post a comment and have him respond you may need to post to the address above.

His comments are about the Nats and don't address the problems with the USRA, which I think are great.

Thanks

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Low turnout...why?
1) Hard Track? 1240 laps to win...not really.
2)Bad area? NO!!! Beautiful area w/ great summer weather compared to the 2 other Georgia Nats.
3)Crummy Facility? Nope...it was pristine w/ helpful folks & GREAT Lighting although some folks thought it had glare (I guess my fading vision was suited for it).
4)High airfares? Cheap oil = low airfares (mine was $250 roundtrip).
So, what's the problem?
1)Change of Nats dates.
2)It wasn't a SuperSpeedway-latest,greatest track.
3)Little promotion...few Warm-Up Races & no not much positive feedback.

So...what can be done?
1)Have the NATS @ the end of August when flights are 'on sale' many years. Let tracks set the dates as part of their NATS BID.
2)Have the Schedule posted w/entry fees & GUARANTEED PAYOUTS IN CASH RACES!!! How payout is determined if not a cash race.
3)Charge the Entry Fee you post. I paid $100 for Pro 7's but the Entry Fee is listed @ $95 on OWH in the bid.
4)Let Spec Tires be from the USRA & not the track as was once the case. They can be rolled over if not used. Use ONLY .500 hubs for SPEC Tires. I don't intend to sell a $13 'SPEC' tire at a short discount or w/a bigger than 1/2" hub.

Will these changes help things? it would have this year as the number one reason I heard that some folks didn't come was the change of Nats dates. Oh yeah, lower the USRA Fee as $15 is a poor value for what you get. Isn't $20 'pit fee' a little on the high side?


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Posted 17 August 2016 - 06:10 PM

Seems to me that a big turnout in any Gp12/15 class hinges on serious local participation.

Each Region has different participation rates in the non-cobalt/limited classes.

 

So, this sort of arrangement...

A one week program, the core USRA classes like this:

Thursday 27Lite, Friday 2MO, Saturday Geezer and/or Semi-Pro, Sunday Pro.

 

Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday would be classes selected by the bidding Raceways that they feel will get participation.

The Bidding Raceways present the proposed classes, explain why and  detail the Schedule, Entry Fees, Hotels, etc.

 

If the Raceway feels it's justified they could schedule 6 race classes in "their" 3 days, but that's their thing.

Those "lower" classes may be part of the USRA but turnouts of traveling racers have been pretty thin.

 

Thin the herd, shorten the program, cater to those that travel.


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