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#76 Half Fast

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Posted 11 August 2016 - 01:34 PM

The demographic problem extends well beyond slots. It extends to all "hands on" hobbies; model railroading and airplanes, ham radio and the like. All of these hobbies are populated by grey hairs. The current generation seem only interested in "virtual" pursuits, such as computer games. I am not sure what can be done to change this.

 

As to slot cars, I  think it will ultimately migrate to a club based model, such as that found in Europe.

 

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Posted 11 August 2016 - 01:57 PM

One big difference between slot cars and, for example, model railroading, is the "competition".  Not everyone is into that.  It would be interesting to see how something like a detailed, more true-to-life layout with cars that run at realistic speed would compare for popularity versus the current commercial tracks.  It might be more interesting for the "casual" participant.  And a lot closer to what slot cars were like in the very early 60's.


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Posted 11 August 2016 - 02:01 PM

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I would suggest the lack of competition would make things worse.

 

Even the virtual gamers are in completion with each other, or the computer.

 

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Posted 11 August 2016 - 02:53 PM

I agree with Bill, the competition element is big in the popularity of the hobby.  The Europeans have some amazingly realistic tracks and cars but I'm certain they still compete.


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Posted 11 August 2016 - 04:03 PM

And typically they run cars that are highly realistic and...slower....


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Posted 11 August 2016 - 04:25 PM

And have lots of people doing it.

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Posted 11 August 2016 - 04:49 PM

Yes, they are very into cars and racing and have more time to pursue hobbies. 


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Posted 11 August 2016 - 04:51 PM

Nice to see Joel Montague at the track for geezer racing.
 
Way cool to see a Camen chassis win Geezer 27L.
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Posted 11 August 2016 - 05:40 PM

27L.....wasn't that supposed to be a class for those wanting to race 27's without the big budgets/factory support??  Seems like half the field are pro's.  just sayin'


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Posted 11 August 2016 - 07:49 PM

New USRA Nats Record! :

 

Am 27 race not run! Apparently for lack of entrants :shok:

 

Darn I should brought down my 25 year old 27 stuff and picked up a plaque. :)

 

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PS: 7 guys in 27 pro


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Posted 11 August 2016 - 08:02 PM

Less than Group 7 classes that were developed by Raceways for local racing have been adopted and abused by the USRA forever, making them almost unusable at the local level.

 

If there is such a thing as a professional factory sponsored slot car racer, he certainly hasn't spent his time racing at his local raceway as a "Pro" in the local classes, so why do we pretend to provide a place for such "Pros" to compete in the lesser Wing classes at the Nats? We do need to allow Pros (or those that think they're Pros) to compete at the National level but not in any class but only in Group 7 as Pro, Semi-Pro or Amateur.

 

All less than Gp7 classes should be A,B,C main format...if a racer wants to compete in the lower speed classes, fine, but there's no need to create artificial distinctions based on supposed abilities or equipment advantage. The classes are restricted equipment already; the A,B,C system will sort out who's the best at assembling the restricted parts and driving them. 


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Posted 11 August 2016 - 08:55 PM

I'm just curious how many guys posting on this topic have raced a G12 or 27L the more popular classes in the past one to two years. I race everything from Retro to ISRA to wings. Have a program for all of it but just asking about the wing racing.

Yes, I think the USRA needs a change but not sure how less classes? No separating am/pro? Not sure what the answer is!!!

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Posted 11 August 2016 - 10:09 PM

Without some sort of consensus, sort sort of agreement on what the goal(s) of the USRA are to be, it's likely no meaningful change will ever occur. And it is painfully obvious that there is essentially zero consensus regarding the direction the USRA should take.
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Posted 13 August 2016 - 06:11 PM

And it is painfully obvious that there is essentially zero consensus regarding the direction the USRA should take.

 

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Posted 14 August 2016 - 07:56 AM

IMHO, the problem with this Nats was not the track or the classes, it was the people who stayed home and boycotted.

Good news is everything from 27L on down is spray glue and spec tires are the norm for 12s, 15s and Am C12. Not sure about 27L as I went home before the vote.

The good news with spec tires that have to be purchased at the raceway is the potential for increased sales during the Nats, so there are tracks that have not considered hosting the Nats may change their minds now.

C12 is my favorite class. It costs less than G12 to put a national program together and the cars handle great. Probably the best of all wing cars. I'm surprised more people don't race it.

Lastly, the demographics for slot racing in general are bad. For the most part, we are an old generation reliving our childhood.
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Posted 14 August 2016 - 08:10 AM

Have seen now at least twice that there was a boycott what was/is the issue(s) that racers felt they needed to stay away?
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Posted 14 August 2016 - 08:45 AM

Leadership or the lack there of.


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Posted 14 August 2016 - 09:58 AM

if there is no leadership or the perceived lack thereof, how is boycotting going to benefit the situation? Wouldn't attending the USRA meeting and voicing concerns, whatever they were, (as was expressed earlier in this thread) made more sense? To me this action only made an already bad situation way worse by attracting attention, little or none of it positive. Maybe it will help.

I do think the idea that Jim H. had of making the "Nats" Group 7 only has a lot of merit to it. Or perhaps the classes that are full glue only. And certainly two or day days would appear to be enough time.
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Posted 14 August 2016 - 10:45 AM

... what was/is the issue(s) that racers felt they needed to stay away?


A fairly late date change for the Nats for no clearly stated reason was one issue that seriously roiled the waters, but based on what I've heard over a number of months, there were numerous other issues that potential racers were concerned or unhappy about. I won't try to list anything more.

My feeling is that many stayed away because they felt it would not be possible to create significant change in the USRA's direction under the current structure and leadership. As has mentioned by many, the annual cycle of proposals and approvals has been shown over many years to work poorly or not at all.

Based on statements made to me, paid membership in the USRA has almost certainly seen a significant drop and that should be a major concern, and is perhaps even more troubling than what is possibly the lowest attended Nats race in the organization's long history.
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Posted 14 August 2016 - 12:20 PM

This is kind of off-topic but still relevent to the thread:

 

Are there any sort of race reports on this Nats? I only want to see the lap charts. I don't need a running narrative. I can't seem to find them here. Haven't tried OWH... and who knows where on Facebook where it might be?

 

Oh... why I'm not there?

 

1) I didn't even know the dates until they had started the Nats program. There was no place to find them *EASILY*. 

 

2) I no longer pull triggers (at the driver's panel): I'm too slow for today's cars. I was too slow in 1993...

 

3) My business isn't relevent to the USRA any longer. I have surrogate outlets now.

 

4) The USRA, years ago, voted to reject all manufacturers' influence.


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Posted 14 August 2016 - 12:31 PM

Paul K has been covering it on OWH.


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Posted 14 August 2016 - 01:04 PM

I know nothing about USRA or Wing cars therefore my only comment is to say I hope it can be fixed. I hate to see groups wither away.

 

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Posted 14 August 2016 - 01:04 PM

I haven't followed the USRA situation quite close enough to comment, but I just did spot only 9 Pros for today. I thought 17 last year was an old time low.

 

I'm a bit perplexed. With so little racers, you don't need a lot of equipment.

 

I think I spotted guys like Lee Roberts in the pics. He came in second between Chicky and myself at the '96 Nats.

 

I'm surprised he didn't grab somebody's OMO or Semi-Pro car and jump in.


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Posted 14 August 2016 - 02:48 PM

Nine – how sad is that – but given the last 10 days, shouldn't be surprised.
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Posted 15 August 2016 - 09:28 AM

Yes, very sad turn-out. Nobody from Brazil or Europe...


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